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|  #64 Posted on 5.5.03 1509.35 | Well when you're talking about screentime and running time of characters in the bulk of what is said to be a review of X2, its not much of a review either but more like a fan boy listing the pros and cons  . I mean did anyone notice the irony of Magneto who's family was persecuted and killed in the Holocaust becoming just as vindictive and mad as Hitler. Near the end of the film he was ready to commit genocide essentially becoming the same type of monster that ruined his life when he was a youth. In the first film Magneto wanted to convince people that his way of thinking was right, albeit through dubious/extreme means. In X2 he was just ready to so easily kill everyone, so now he sees that as the only solution. Discuss
On another note was anyone bothered/interested by the subtext/metaphor of being a mutant compared to homosexuality?
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| #65 Posted on 5.5.03 1524.16 |
Originally posted by The Vile1
On another note was anyone bothered/interested by the subtext/metaphor of being a mutant compared to homosexuality?
Specifically, or in general?
The comparison for me has always been that they're comparing being a mutant to being "different", be it of another race or another sexuality or even something as tiny as dressing differently. I mean, there are OBVIOUS extremes there, but I think that the base story is culturally impactful across the board.
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| #66 Posted on 5.5.03 1527.27 | Specifically being a mutant can be compared to someone who feels different or an outsider. But even more specifically in X2 scenes such as when Bobby "comes out of the closet" so to speak with his parents, and Mystique says she doesn't disguise herself all the time because "we shouldn't have to." Which can be compared to not having to hide your sexuality. Singer himself said the former reminded himself of his own experiences of telling his family members that he is gay.
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| #67 Posted on 5.5.03 1532.28 | Fair enough, I'd just always thought of it in more general terms.
As for Magneto trying to commit genocide, just look at the guy's life:
-When he's a child he's persecuted for being a Jew
-When he's an adult he's persecuted for being a mutant
-Now that he's an old man he's being persecuted by both non-mutants for being a mutant and by other mutants for being evil.
The guy's just sick of it all. He wants to be the one doing the holding down for a while (after all he IS better than everybody else anyway), and if that means killing everybody else, so be it.
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|  #68 Posted on 5.5.03 1600.28 | I loved this movie! I am probably gonna see it again actually.
I have a feeling that the next movie will do a Phoenix/Sentinels storyline. I noticed that Stryker had a "Project Wideawake" folder on his computer, so the Sentintel should be just around the corner.
So, picture this. The X-Men find out about the Sentinel program, but are too late to stop it before they get out. The Sentinels kick all sorts of mutant ass around the globe, until one very pissed off Phoenix shows up to trash the Sentinels. Now you got a teeting-on-the-edge Phoenix to deal with. Who is the bigger threat?
Not an original idea, since the story "What if the Phoenix had not died" from the first What If...? series had the same type of scenario.
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| #69 Posted on 5.5.03 1618.20 | Ah, so THIS is how a new wrestling fan would feel when they first visit this board...
I loved this movie. I'll probably see it again. And I know NOTHING about the X-Men history. I don't know anything about this Phoenix stuff, but they way everybody's talking about it, it should be very interesting to see how it turns out.
I also loved the visuals in the film. Usually, when I'm watching this type of movie, I inevitably wind up trying to figure out how they did this or that effect. Or I'm distracted by how unrealistic the effects look *cough*StarWars*cough*. But I was totally sucked in to this movie, and it's the first time in a LONG time that I can say that about an action movie.
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| #70 Posted on 5.5.03 1702.58 |
Originally posted by A Fan
As for the bitching about the movie. Let it go! I could nitpick any movie to death, yet I don't. I am glad they dumped the M'Kran Crystal thing, it was lame. No offense, but keep the X-Men on Earth is the best thing they can do. It makes it more real then having them fly off to space for no reason. X-Men in space blows, actually minus Surfer and FF, Marvel characters in space is just stupid. Thats why I am hoping if Venom is in Spidey 3, they do the Ultimate Venom rather than Secret Wars Venom.
THANK YOU. I was worried that I was the only one praying that they keep the X-men OUT of outer space for as long as there are X-movies. I always hated the Sh'iar and the Brood and all the other science fiction elements they had going on in the late 70's/early 80's.
And for everyone who has a problem with the missing accents, keep in mind: if EVERY character who had an accent in the comics had one in the movie, it'd be nigh unintelligible. You'd have Russian and German and British and Kenyan and Southern and Irish and Australian and on and on and it'd just be a mess. There are a ton of characters as it is, theres no reason to make it more confusing.
Besides, they remembered that Colossus is an artist; for me that MORE than made up for him speaking his 2.5 lines in perfect English.
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Fuck, X-Men movies have been the best thing in X-Men in the last five years. There is nothing interesting about Uncanny or New X-Men.
Well, I do have to somewhat disagree with you there. Grant Morrison has been doing some cool stuff with the whole school for mutants idea lately over in New X-men, but the haphazard artist lineup makes it impossible to care.
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| #71 Posted on 5.5.03 1732.55 | For the record, I sufficiently dug the movie, though I have to agree with the quibble my father has with it: there didn't seem to be enough of a noticeable reason for the X-Jet to be damaged the way it was in the end, as it hadn't really incurred any real hits, and Rogue didn't seem to set it down hard enough to cause that kind of damage. Other than that...best superhero movie yet. I worship the ground Alan Cumming walks on.
As a sidenote, the way I took the little "stopping time in its tracks" gig was that Professor X wasn't fucking with the heads of everyone in the room--but rather, he was mentally pausing time solely for the people he wished to speak to. I.E., the X-Men in the cafeteria, and the President in the end. It seems like it'd take much less effort and better follow Xavier's policy of not intruding. | Freeway
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| #72 Posted on 5.5.03 1735.22 | Instant Rating: 5.96 | Am I the only one jazzed for Spider-Man 2? We got award-winning cast, award-winning special effects, Sam Raimi's fanboy charm, and the writers of Smallville and a Pulitzer Prize winner doing the script.
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| #73 Posted on 5.5.03 1806.07 | CarlCX, while possibly far-fetched, one could assume the reason the X-jet was not working was due to interference from Jean's powers like the way she was making musuem electronics short out at the beginning of the film. Just a thought.
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| #74 Posted on 5.5.03 2147.00 | With the jet you have to remember that it was already in shit condition before due to the missle attack. I don't see any reason why Rogue's landing wouldnt have shaken out some of the Micky mouse work they pulled to get it off the ground in the first place.
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| #75 Posted on 5.5.03 2206.48 | | As for Professor X freezing time in the comics, if I remember correctly in Giant Size X-Men #1, where he gathers the (first) new team of X-Men, Nightcrawler is about to get lynched by a mob in Germany and Xavier freezes time to offer him a spot on the team. | J. Kyle
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| #76 Posted on 5.5.03 2302.00 | Instant Rating: 4.56 | | X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! Jkyle.com says:
Originally posted by Caliban
As for Professor X freezing time in the comics, if I remember correctly in Giant Size X-Men #1, where he gathers the (first) new team of X-Men, Nightcrawler is about to get lynched by a mob in Germany and Xavier freezes time to offer him a spot on the team.
Now THAT is a recruiting tactic.
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|  #77 Posted on 6.5.03 0146.41 |
Originally posted by The Vile1
Well when you're talking about screentime and running time of characters in the bulk of what is said to be a review of X2, its not much of a review either but more like a fan boy listing the pros and cons . I mean did anyone notice the irony of Magneto who's family was persecuted and killed in the Holocaust becoming just as vindictive and mad as Hitler. Near the end of the film he was ready to commit genocide essentially becoming the same type of monster that ruined his life when he was a youth. In the first film Magneto wanted to convince people that his way of thinking was right, albeit through dubious/extreme means. In X2 he was just ready to so easily kill everyone, so now he sees that as the only solution. Discuss
On another note was anyone bothered/interested by the subtext/metaphor of being a mutant compared to homosexuality?
There is a line in the movie which I cannot quote at this point, but is eerie similar to the line used by Nazi Germany when talking about the jew problem..
something like
"We have finally found a solution to the mutant (jew) problem" when they discuss how to wipe out mutants..
Ofcourse one can compare mutants and homosexuality but I didn't think of that I just saw racism, prosecution, color (=being different) hatred...
But I am sure ALL minorities/discriminated groups can get something out of it.
And yeah, true..I guess the part where Bobby had to tell he was a mutant to his folks could have been a gay coming out, but on a larger scale the whole thing reminds me more of the Nazi/jews situation.
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|  #78 Posted on 6.5.03 0449.27 |
Originally posted by Excalibur05
Originally posted by The Vile1
On another note was anyone bothered/interested by the subtext/metaphor of being a mutant compared to homosexuality?
Specifically, or in general?
The comparison for me has always been that they're comparing being a mutant to being "different", be it of another race or another sexuality or even something as tiny as dressing differently. I mean, there are OBVIOUS extremes there, but I think that the base story is culturally impactful across the board.
The one I noticed was the 'slave names' symbolism.
"What's your name?"
"John"
"What's your real name, John?"
This is one of things that does annoy me about Magneto in these films. You can see his point in several areas, but then they just have him do something 'evil' at the end. It seemed unnessecary at the end of this film.
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| #79 Posted on 6.5.03 1449.57 | A-MOL, that really just adds to how Xavier/Magneto really want the same things, but Magneto wants them through extreme/radical/violent means, but Xavier wants them through peaceful means...though the X-men still fight 'n stuff. Some pacifist Xavier is, lets his kids do all the dirty work.
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| #80 Posted on 7.5.03 0855.53 |
Originally posted by A Fan
...Then in X-Men 25, my favorite comic book story ever, Xavier, Gambit, Jean, Rouge, Quicksilver and Wolvie confront Magento on Asteriod M. Magneto gets pissed during the fight and rips the admantuim out of Wolverine's body and Xavier jut mind wipes him. Great scene and perhaps the last great X-Men book of the 90s.
Thank you very much for clearing that up for me. I have been off/on searching for the complete onslaught saga. That is pretty much the beginning of the end, when the proverbial "shit hit the fan" (no pun intended). #25 huh? I'm getting it today.
As for X2, haven't seen it yet, but this was pretty much my only reason to want to wait in line and pay 8 bucks now and all that stuff. No matter how cool the movie was/is I would have been disappointed if I went through all dat, and Wolvie didn't get dealt wit. Anything else can simply wait til discount theater, or til the video is released. That was actually 2 birds with one stone right there.
The fact that Halle Berry (and not Naomi Campell) is playing Storm would be enough to ruin it right there. Not to mention that fact that Sean Connery or Paul Newman or somebody else should've played Magneto and not that gay dude (no offense to anyone) he's pretty mean though so it kinda makes up for it. Knowing that Sabretooth isn't in doesn't help either. And knowing how Lady DS is used... don't get me wrong. I will watch it eventually, but I'll probably enjoy it better for 4 bucks instead for 20+.
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