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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.13
    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    To me, he has the coolest name, look and gimmick of any ECW guy, and I keep thinking "OMG there's Sandman someone's gonna die~!!11" but he seems to do nothing.


Sandman is a great "personality." A lot of his matches really suck, but you can't help but get into them because there's a sort of charisma to him. He can be a pretty damn fun brawler too. But, all that is pretty useless when he doesn't have "Enter Sandman" as his entrance as that is half his peformance (sometimes literally).


    And why the skepticism about Sabu beating Rey? Isn't Sabu supposed to be awesome?


If this was 1997, maybe. But the years of wear and tear have kind of taken the luster off Sabu, as he's trying to do the same stuff that he used to do ten years ago, and his body just can't keep up any more. That, and because Rey really needs a win over a quality opponent right now.



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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
I could see a situation where RVD loses the match, but only if there were interference from a pure ECW guy. For example, I could see a situation where Sabu beats Rey, then screws RVD so that he can be the undisputed champion of ECW. The fans would probably accept that, and it'd set up an instant main event feud for the next few weeks with RVD chasing the title.
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#43 Posted on
Was it ever "officially" confirmed by Heyman that RVD was his RAW draft? I know during the promo between Heyman and Cena on RAW two weeks ago, Cena assumed that RVD was the pick and Heyman did nothing to dispel that, but at the time he also didn't confirm that RVD was his pick. If it still hasn't been acknowledged by Heyman that RVD is the RAW pick, I could see a swerve happening and Orton becoming that pick after his match this Sunday or the next night on RAW.
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.09
    Originally posted by jam1975
    Was it ever "officially" confirmed by Heyman that RVD was his RAW draft? I know during the promo between Heyman and Cena on RAW two weeks ago, Cena assumed that RVD was the pick and Heyman did nothing to dispel that, but at the time he also didn't confirm that RVD was his pick. If it still hasn't been acknowledged by Heyman that RVD is the RAW pick, I could see a swerve happening and Orton becoming that pick after his match this Sunday or the next night on RAW.


Good insight there...I remember that too. Anyways, I was going to do a PBP but I decided I actually wanted to watch it to see if was going to be crap or actual show...it turned out better than I thought it was going to. Some things they did were a bit overkill like the pushing the fact that the WWE faction was "better" and ECW was always bad or not very good. Overall it was pretty exciting show and it only took the first match to get the crowd who seemed to have cold feet into most of the show. Which I though was pretty cool. Can't wait to ECW: One Night Stand...hope they bring in a few more ECW Alumni or if they stick with what they have now it might not be as good. We'll wait to see.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
Actually, I assumed that Heyman had secretly used his draft pick to get the Big Show. After all, he had no real reason to defect, and Heyman had no reason to draft RVD when it was obvious that RVD would head to ECW on his own.
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.98
Hey, Big Show's profile is up now at the ECW WRESTLERS (wwe.com) page (not SUPERSTARS). Of course, Angle was demoted from Superstar last week.

Joey Styles was so fucking obnoxious last night, I wanted Lawler to throw a monitor at him - or for JR to knock his lights out after Joey knocked his cowboy hat off.
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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.60

    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Hey, Big Show's profile is up now at the ECW WRESTLERS page (not SUPERSTARS). Of course, Angle was demoted from Superstar last week.
That is so weird that WWE does that. I remember during the Invasion (after the purchase, but before the actual angle began) they were referring to WWE-ers as "SUPERSTARS" and WCW-ers as just "STARS" in the same sentence.

So dumb.



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
I don't really think this will happen, but it would be cool from a continuity standopoint and fits the "RVD wasn't really drafted" argument.

Could RVD win and still deliver the swerve? RVD's entire ECW gimmick was "Mr. Monday Night". In theory he could win the title then say "I said 10 years ago that I'm too good for ECW and nothing has changed".



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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68


    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    That is so weird that WWE does that. I remember during the Invasion (after the purchase, but before the actual angle began) they were referring to WWE-ers as "SUPERSTARS" and WCW-ers as just "STARS" in the same sentence.

    So dumb.


It's ECW that wants to be considered "wrestling" and not "sports entertainment." It's a lash out at WWE considering "wrestling" to generally be a dirty word, so they proudly want their people to be billed as "wrestlers" and not "superstars". It's consistent with ECW's point of view.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
    Originally posted by Rudoublesedoublel
    I don't really think this will happen, but it would be cool from a continuity standopoint and fits the "RVD wasn't really drafted" argument.

    Could RVD win and still deliver the swerve? RVD's entire ECW gimmick was "Mr. Monday Night". In theory he could win the title then say "I said 10 years ago that I'm too good for ECW and nothing has changed".


I also doubt it would happen, but that is by far the coolest of all the fantasy booking scenarios that I've heard.



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
Speaking of Big Show, I can't help but notice that they've continued to call him "the World's Largest Athlete". His ECW page even says that.

Given the precense of the Great Khali on Smackdown, who is billed as being 3 inches taller than the Big Show, what are we to assume?

1. The Great Khali is not an athlete.
2. Big Show's largest athlete moniker refers not to his height, but to some other characteristic of his. It could theoretically be weight, I suppose, since they list Viscera at 485 lbs (to Big Show's 500). That's hardly true, though, as wikipedia says that Akebono had a fighting weight of 235 kg (517 lb).
3. Something else?

I know it might seem like I'm making a big deal out of nothing, as Big Show's claim was never authentic in all of sports, but at least it wasn't flatly contradicted by other WWE television (much like Mark Henry's World Strongest Man claim).



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.86
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    3. Something else?


Khali is the GALAXY'S largest athlete.



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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
It depends on how you define "large."

1) Height?
2) Mass?
3) Volume?

It's very subjective.



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.50
In every promo package I have seen the Sabu vs Rey match is announced last. If that means its the actual MAIN EVENT, then I could forsee Rey winning, shaking hands with Sabu, getting on the mic and Delivering a "thanks for allowing me to shine in ECW Paul Heyman" promo, then have him proceed to throw the big gold belt down, ala Shane Douglas and crown himself the new ECW champion.

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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Seeing as Rey was

- angry at ECW in the show open
- buddy buddy with RVD during their match
- angry at ECW at the show close
- rumored to be jumping to ECW

I think it's safe to assume to assume there are two Rey Mysterios, though that surely doesn't explain why neither can win a freaking match. (Good thing they protected the world title though!)

I have a recap HERE, and I'm going to Xpost my post from another board below - perhaps just as proof that Justin and I can actually disagree on things....

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I liked how King Booker T was too cool for this. I wish I was King Booker T.

Was there anything accomplished in the unending arguing in the last 105 minutes that wasn't done in the first 15?

OMG Lawler doesn't pay attention!
OMG Lawler's act has gone stale!
OMG Lawler likes young women!
OMG Lawler is making the same ECW jokes he made ten years ago! (when he was buds with RVD and Sabu)
OMG We KNOW Lawler is making the same ECW jokes he made ten years ago!
OMG Joey doesn't like 'storytelling' and 'sports entertainement!'

Meanwhile, Dreamer would attempt to fracture his forehead and get but a moment's notice in between the sniping. You know, half the comments Joey and Tazz (who came off as whiners) made were stuff that ultra-hip do of Al Snow and Coach made before, or that JR made before, and 90% of Lawler's comments were stuff he's run into the ground the last couple weeks. (I will grant that I don't recall King suggesting someone choke his chicken before.)

I haven't liked JR - his style and his inattention to non-main events - for quite some time, but he was a God tonight. He actually wanted to talk about the action in the ring, and Tazz and Joey came off as punks every time they tried to draw them into the mutual hissy fit.

"and that's a shoot!" lines have been played out, and played out for a long time. I'd like to think people who care about those sort of things (of which there isn't as many as we'd like to think) already know that the WWE prefered guys like Luger and Warrior in the early 90's - unless you're going newer or truer (blaming Vince instead of the nebelous WWE, pointing out they WWE still does prefer those guys), you're no better than the quasi-smart at indy show who reads reheated Observer news at dxsuckitprowrestling.com and loudly proclaims to everyone how you could fix everything if the people in charge would just listen to you. I hate those guys, and I hated these guys after two hours of listening to them.

I think we can agree that the Lawler/Tazz brawl did a better job of building up that match than any of the comments - which means the point of the comments was - what? To create the appearance of a really real rivalry between WWE and ECW? They haven't quite been able to pull that off with RAW and SmackDown! and they're not building to a weekly ECW vs WWE feud - they ought to be building to a ECW wrestler vs ECW wrestler feud, and they haven't even hinted at that possibility.

and this all didn't upset me nearly as much as

ECW: Kurt Angle, Big Show, Rob Van Dam, and a whole bunch of jobbers you might recall. I think I could double what I've written just for that, but I've written way too much already. Big Show jumping to ECW is a complete lack of understanding what people want from ECW, and it seems to bare no relation to ECW, except for using familiar names as filler. Al and Stevie and others might have been jobbers in the past, but that's the past - they couldn't even bother to make them mean something for ONE NIGHT.

Big Show being the guy to interfere in the main event - and not the guy who's actually challening Cena - looks like a horrible sign that this is not going to be about the old ECW and it's not going to be about a New Breed of ECW -it's simply going to be a reshuffling, a recycling and repurposing of 'name' guys they have nothing for. Kurt Angle's at a dead end on SmackDown? Dump him on ECW. We've got nothing for Show on RAW? Freshen him up by putting him on ECW. It's not about ECW, it's about giving the guys they have no idea for something to do.

They might as well just call it Thunder or something. It seems to relate to that as much as ECW.

>This isn't great, but is the best you can hope for from RVD and for ECW

Then they really shouldn't bother.

>John Cena cut a good promo.

Which is actually the same promo he cuts most weeks, but gets no notice. The scary thing is he laid down the possiblities, and pointed out that his match finish can not be a good one

- Cena wins, ECW fans angry, betrayed
- RVD wins, RAW loses WWE title (can't happen), Cena is the losing loser who ever did lose (except for Rey)
- Controversal split decision - ripoff

At least the match will be good!!!

Best part that they have no clue - they announced FBI vs Tajiri/Crazy and Tanaka/Balls on WWE.com, not on TV.



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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.93
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    (Good thing they protected the world title though!)


Y'know, I had the same thought during the opening match. With the push they have going on RVD and Cena right now, I figured there was no way they could have either of them lose cleanly and save face.

They really blew a nice opportunity for a Big Vis visiting a recovering Lillian angle. Oh well.



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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
Regarding Orton's promo, that's probably the thousandth time he's done a promo mentioning his 'destiny.' It was a great promo and I find it interesting that all his promos touch on that theme.

Good to see that Rey's wins over JBL were merely an aberattion to his permanent role as jobber.

It's strange that Rob's offense looks so much better when he can use a steel chair. I mean, that is the best he's looked in a while, which kind of hammers home the idea that he a) rises to his opponent b) tanks matches when he feels like it.

The show was okay. The battle royal was a huge mess and Big Show turning was giving off eerie NWO and Invasion flashbacks. Not that I'm against Show being moved, but this whole 'Allegiance by t-shirt' gimmick is sooo '97.

I thought Edge broke his neck there. Not a bad match, though.

The Cena/Sabu match ending in a DQ was a bad sign, but as I guess it wasn't billed as an 'ECW' match they can get away with it. That was better than it had any right to be, and Cena's pre-match promo was outstanding.

Foley's promo was awesome as well but, going back to the RVD point, why hasn't Foley brought that week in and week out? Everyone says 'when Foley turns it on to sell an angle, he's the best there is,' yet week in and week out for the last few years he's bored the hell out of me, only to save his angles with a last minute money promo. I want to see Foley bring that level of intensity to everything he does, even the angles and idea he's not wild about (i.e. the Carlito feud.) The true legends don't give 50 percent.

The bickering announcers idea was awful. Four guys screaming 'shoot' comments at each other all night was horrible. They should have been selling the PPV and the ECW brand, yet Lawler and Tazz just end up getting themselves over. Bad stuff. Styles is a classic example of an ECW creation, he's not a good announcer at all.

I can't see Sabu ever holding a WWE world title, but I suppose stranger things have happened (wait, no, actually not. That would be the strangest thing ever.) Besides, Rey still has to give the rub to Finlay's Leprecaun before they take the belt off him.

I believe the 'Superstars' deal is indicative of the fact that 'Superstar' is the trademark term that the E uses for its grapplers. It would be a logic gap for the ECW guys to be refered to as that, of course this re-launch as put logic through a flaming table...
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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.42
I watched the show for the first time in a while. Like the RVD-Rey match and the battle royal. Didn't like the monologues and filler.

Adding the Big Show proves they don't think ECW can succeed on its own. Is there any true ECW fan who was just dying to see the big show? Angle doesn't belong either any more than he would belong in WCW. Just let RVD carry the show.

Rey would be more in place in ECW. Rule #1: You shouldn't be the WWE champion when you are too small to go on any of the good rides.

I wouldn't pay anything for the PPV, but I'd see it if I could borrow it for free.
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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.69
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I think we can agree that the Lawler/Tazz brawl did a better job of building up that match than any of the comments - which means the point of the comments was - what? To create the appearance of a really real rivalry between WWE and ECW? They haven't quite been able to pull that off with RAW and SmackDown! and they're not building to a weekly ECW vs WWE feud - they ought to be building to a ECW wrestler vs ECW wrestler feud, and they haven't even hinted at that possibility.

    and this all didn't upset me nearly as much as

    ECW: Kurt Angle, Big Show, Rob Van Dam, and a whole bunch of jobbers you might recall. I think I could double what I've written just for that, but I've written way too much already. Big Show jumping to ECW is a complete lack of understanding what people want from ECW, and it seems to bare no relation to ECW, except for using familiar names as filler. ...


I didn't quite know where to cut this for a quote, but I agree that this isn't what true ECW fans want. I somehow think that the WWE knows what they truely want, but if the WWE truely did get behind a product that gets the RVDs. CM Punks, Lo Ki's and AJ Styles over then what? Vince isn't going to swallow his pride and have his vision of wrasslin' overshadowed up by someone elses.

My guess is Paul Heyman is off the ECW project in 3-6 months.

(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 8.6.06 2119)
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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.99
I would say Rule #2 is that you really shouldn't be holding the World Heavyweight Title if you're not actually a heavyweight, but Vince refuses to get behind a walterweight division so what can ya do. Lawler punching Tazz in the face ruled it.



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