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-Air Boom d. The Vickie Family with the Trouble in Paradise/Air Bourne combo to retain the tag titles
-Dolph Ziggler d. Zack Ryder with the superkick to retain the U.S. title
-Beth Phoenix d. Eve Torres with the Glam Slam to retain the Divas title
-Sheamus d. Christian with the Brogue Kick
-Awesome Truth d. Triple H & CM Punk with Little Jimmy's Finale after Nash-erference (Yes, Nash is back AGAIN!)
-Randy Orton d. Cody Rhodes with the RKO
-Mark Henry v. The Big Show for the World Heavyweight Championship goes to a No Contest after a Henry superplex destroys the ring
-Alberto Del Rio d. John Cena in a Last Man Standing match to retain the WWE Championship thanks to a belt shot and Awesome Truth-erference

They came DANGEROUSLY close to a Halloween Havoc '98 situation here.

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LIVE from the Bowling Alley and...yeah, it's at a little less than half capacity tonight, which is a nice metaphor for how badly built-up this PPV was.

Before we get to the action proper, make sure you don't take a drink every time Cole makes fun of JR or you'll be wasted halfway into the show. Definitely don't take a drink every time the commentary team mentions Twitter or you'll be on the verge of alcohol poisoning.

Air Boom d. The Vickie Family (w/Vickie Guerrero) to retain the WWE Tag Team Championships
Not surprising that we're leading off with this match, considering that Dolph's working twice tonight. Dolph's wearing some funky-looking tights tonight. He's a REAL American, brother! Things break down after the hot tag. Evan tries for Air Bourne, but it hits Swagger's knees. That leads to another heat segment. Kofi gets the hot tag and makes the babyface comeback. Kofi misses with Trouble In Paradise, but gets the S.O.S. Swagger makes the save and Dolph nearly gets the win with the tights-assisted roll-up. It only gets 2 and Kofi hits Dolph with Trouble In Paradise. Air Bourne finishes for the champs.

And we IMMEDIATELY move to our next match, as Zack Ryder's music hits!

Dolph Ziggler (w/Vickie Guerrero & Jack Swagger) d. Zack Ryder to retain the United States Championship
The downside to this deal for Ryder is that Swagger's still hanging around ringside. Luckily, so is Air Boom. Ryder gets tossed to the outside and Air Boom help them back in. The ref decides to eject Air Boom for that one. Ryder keeps trying to work over Dolph, but a crossbody misses and Dolph takes control. We then see the downside of booking Dolph back-to-back, as we have restholds galore. Ryder tries to come back, but he misses with the Broski Boot. Rocker Dropper gets 2 for Dolph. Ryder takes control again and hits the Broski Boot this time. The outside help kicks in, though, and Swagger jumps on the apron. Ryder dispatches Swagger, which allows Dolph to finish with the superkick. Oh, I have a bad feeling this is leading to Mason Ryan getting the title on Monday.

We go backstage to Triple H and CM Punk. They try and clear the air about what happened last Monday. The faces assure each other that they're both on the same page.

We take a look at what happened earlier today through WWE.com, when the Divas of Doom jumped Kelly Kelly backstage, with Eve Torres making the save. This leads to John Laurinaitis banning both Kelly Kelly and Natalya from ringside.

"The Glamazon" Beth Phoenix d. Eve Torres to retain the Divas Championship
Eve has new music and it blows slightly less than her old music. Honestly not as terrible as some of Eve's past matches, but the crowd is just dead for this one, as you might imagine. Things briefly get silly, as Eve uses Beth's outfit to tie her up on the ropes and starts going to town on her. This match goes a lot longer than the average Diva match, which is surprising, considering we're dealing with Eve. Beth tries to finish with the Glam Slam, but Eve doesn't have half the "fluke pin" talent that Kelly has. Eve's moonsault misses and the Glam Slam finishes, for reals.

We go to the demoted Matt Striker standing with Big Show. Show delivers a standard promo and vows to make the Hall of Pain fall like a house of cards.

"The Celtic Warrior" Sheamus d. Christian
Standard Christian/Sheamus match here, which is decent enough. Christian gives us some standard heel offense until he misses the big splash off the top. Sheamus makes the babyface comeback until he gets hung up on the top and lowbridged. Irish Curse is nearly turned into the Kill Switch, but Sheamus nearly turns THAT into the High Cross! Christian goes for the Springboard Crossbody That Always Turns Into An RKO...and Sheamus turns it into an Irish Curse! Sheamus tries for the Brogue Kick, but Christian catches him with the spear for two! Christian tries for another spear, but runs into the Brogue Kick to get the pin for Sheamus. Christian doesn't have a very good win-loss record on PPV's this year, does he?

Backstage, David Otunga is with Super Dave Laurinaitis. Awesome Truth enter the picture and kiss up to the boss, before asking why they were reinstated. Laurinaitis says they were reinstated for their charisma, ability, and that they could be the greatest tag team of all time...before Laurinaitis tells them that he's just kidding and that he only hired them back because of how well they suck up. Laurinaitis exits the picture, which gives Awesome Truth a chance to soak up some cheat heat.

Awesome Truth d. Triple H & CM Punk
Very surprised to see this match come so soon, as I thought this would get the semi-main event slot at the least. Methodical tag match here. Crowd comes alive when Triple H hits Miz with the Figure 4 (WOO!), as Hunter and Punk take advantage of the illegal double-team. In fact, the heat segment's all ass-backwards here, as the faces are spending the bulk of the early part of the match working over Miz with submissions and illegal double-team moves. Truth helps the heels take control. "TAKE THAT, LITTLE JIMMY!" Ha! Triple H gets the lukewarm tag and is a house that's slightly smoldering. Hunter chases to the outside, which allows the heels to take control again. Lie Detector gets 2 for Truth. Hunter comes back with the Electric Chair drop and wipes out Miz with a clothesline. DDT puts down Truth and tags are made on both sides. Punk is the house of fire and hits his big spots, but it's KEVIN NASH! And man, does the bowling alley ever GROAN at that one! Nash wipes out Triple H, which frees up Awesome Truth to finish Punk with Little Jimmy's Finale for the pin.

Post-match, Nash destroys Hunter and Punk. Jackknife (and a good one!) puts down Triple H and Nash leaves through the crowd. Well, just when you thought you finally got rid of him, Kevin Nash surfaces again when he's least wanted...like syphillis. That's hell of a cushy work schedule that Big Kev must have.

Backstage, Super Dave Laurinaitis is on a cell phone vowing to get to the bottom of this. Alberto Del Rio comes in to complain about being booked in a Last Man Standing match. Laurinaitis tells him he'll be fine. Best part of this was Ricardo Rodriguez sporting a black eye to sell Show's right hand from Friday.

Randy Orton d. Cody Rhodes
Let's face it, this hasn't been a hot crowd at all and that Nash deal sucked out whatever life was left in them, so let's see if Orton can pick them up. Unfortunately, it's a long Cody Rhodes heat segment and this crowd is NOT in the mood for one of those. Orton comes back with his routine offense. Cody dodges the Hanging DDT by dropping down and smacking Orton from the floor. Cody tries to come off the top rope and eats an Orton dropkick! Orton tries for a gutwrench powerbomb, but Cody slips away and hits the Beautiful Disaster! Cody dodges the Hanging DDT again, but can't dodge Orton's backbreaker. Cody takes control again and busts out a MOONSAULT for 2! Orton comes back again, but is distracted by one of Cody's minions. That distraction allows Cody to hits Cross-Rhodes, but it only gets 2! VIPER COIL for CODY! Cody moves in and eats a dropkick. Hanging DDT finally hits for Orton and VIPER COIL, for reals! Another of Cody's minions tries for the distraction, but Orton sends Cody crashing into him before polishing off Cody with the RKO for the pin. Good match.

The Big Show v. "The World's Strongest Man" Mark Henry for the World Heavyweight Championship goes to a No Contest
We do NOT get the championship match intros here, for some reason. Maybe they got bored with them. Funny moment during the entrances, as the announcers struggle to remember who John Morrison is, which is a perfect metaphor for where HIS career is these days. We start off with a brawl and Show's flurry sends Henry to the outside. Show chucks Henry back into the ring and has his way with Henry. Henry stalls on the outside some more. Henry tries to take a walk, which is always what you want to see after spending months building him up as a badass. Show gives chase, which finally allows Henry to get some offense in. Henry slams Show hard to a pop! Henry starts to work over Show's leg and slows the pace of the match down some more. Double collision sends both guys down. Both guys exchange blows and Show wins that exchange. Show hits the buttsplash/running shoulderblock combo. Bodyslam hits. AAAAAAAAHHHHHTHECHOKESLAM!!! hits, but only gets 2! Show calls for the Mayweather Sucker Punch, but Henry catches him and hits the World's Strongest Slam...for 2! Having run out of ideas, Henry goes to the top rope, but he gets caught! TOP ROPE CHOKESLAM! IT GETS 2!!! Show's run out of ideas, himself, so he's also going to the top rope. He also gets caught! Henry hits the superplex...and destroys the ring! Yes, they're resorting to this spot again. (Overheard at the bowling alley: "BROCK LESNAR!!!") But at the very least, it woke up the crowd BIG TIME! Even if you fault the lack of creativity, you can't fault the result. Everybody's dead, except the crowd. The EMT's have come out and...um...yeah, that's it, I guess.

Post-match, stretchers arrive for both guys. In Show's case, he ends up getting carted off. Super Dave Laurinaitis and Teddy Long both come out to survey the damage. And ok, as fun as that spot was, it is NOT creating riveting PPV TV, because the high is quickly wearing off and now we have a huge dead spot. Seriously, the post-match segment has nearly gone longer than the match itself. But things start to come alive again, as Henry refuses the EMT help and walks off under his own power like a TOTAL BADASS!

Well...there's one match left, but how the hell are you having it now? There's no ring! There also isn't much time left, as we're past the 7:30pm mark. So after that awesomeness with Henry and Show woke the crowd, John Laurinaitis grabs the mic to put them to sleep again. He says the main event will happen, anyway.

Alberto Del Rio d. John Cena in a Last Man Standing Match to retain the WWE Championship
Cena sports a new Rise Above Hate T-shirt that doesn't look like a brightly-colored fruit, for once. Funny bit during Cena's entrance, as he tosses his cap towards the front row by a guy with a "We Hate Cena" shirt. Rodriguez charges in and nearly eats an AA, which allows Del Rio to take control at the start. Lawler actually mentions the name "Brock Lesnar" in relation to the ring, but doesn't mention that Big Show was also involved in that incident. Back in, Cena starts to make...as much of a comeback as he can make, given the constraints. Cena tries for the Attitude Adjustment, but Del Rio counters with the backcracker. I don't get this. They're trying to work a regular match, but this is LAST MAN STANDING! Where are the crazy gimmicks? (Aside from the ring, of course) Cena comes back with an abridged version of The Usual, since he can't use the ropes. Attitude Adjustment is countered with a German suplex. Del Rio charges in and Cena hits the AA out of nowhere! Cena tries for another AA, but Rodriguez runs in! He gets knocked out and Del Rio clamps on a Sleeper Hold. Cena breaks it and chucks Del Rio from the ring straight to the barricade. Fun spot, as Cena hits a drop toehold to send Del Rio to the fallen ring post, which seesaws into Rodriguez's crotch. Cena tries to chuck the steel steps at Del Rio and misses. Del Rio bashes the steel steps on Cena's head. The fight goes up to the top of the ramp as NOW the gimmicks start coming in. Rodriguez gets bashed against the giant V. Del Rio starts climbing, but gets dragged down through a table. Del Rio manages to get up, so the fight goes into the crowd. Both guys wind up back at ringside, where Cena gets puts through the announce table. Cena makes it up and tries to one-up Del Rio by hitting an AA off the steel steps through the Spanish announce table. Cena runs back in as the ref begins the count, but Cena suddenly gets ambushed by Awesome Truth, which stops the ref's count! Cena manages to beat the count, but Del Rio wipes him out with the belt to keep Cena down for the count and retain the title.

Del Rio emerges triumphant and we are out at 10:58pm!

That was about as good a match as they could put on, given what they were working with. And that's about as unsatisfying an ending as you could imagine. It's another cut & paste interference ending, which does nothing for anyone, except set up Survivor Series. And aren't you glad you paid $50 for a PPV that only serves to set up the next $50 PPV?

Well, this PPV didn't defy anyone's expectations. Pretty much everyone expected this to be a bad show. While it wasn't terrible, it was somewhat forgettable. Just nothing to say about it, honestly.

Worth $50? Absolutely not. Worth $15? Well...maybe. Like I said, it wasn't a BAD show. Even saying it wasn't memorable doesn't seem totally fair, because that Henry/Show spot was damn memorable. It just didn't feel...relevant. Better than tonight's NFL game? At least this show has THAT much going for it!

It's a thumbs in the middle. Until next time!

(edited by It's False on 23.10.11 2028)



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You're not going to believe this, but Mark Henry and Big Show had one HELL OF A WAR, two big bastards in a battle, the best match of that style in ages. They re-did the Lesnar/Show superplex finish and broke the ring, leading to a double count-out or no contest or however you want to call it. Crowd went nuts. They worked a good pace, hit each other hard, got up and down fast, and kicked out of finishers. It made Henry look like even more of a badass, because Show was carted out and Mark refused help, tried to leave under his own power, collapsed, and crawled out. All in all, one of the best performances of both guys' careers.

This was the second to last match, though. Cena and Del Rio then had to work the main event in the collapsed ring. And it ... worked. Unique, cool match starting in the ruined wreckage (uneven canvas and no ropes) before they brawled all over the place, took a lot of hard falls, used the furniture. Del Rio tried to jump off the set through a table and missed. Cena had it won with an FU through the announce table but Awesome Truth laid him out and he succumbed to the count-out.

This was the night to put heat on the assumed main event heel team for Survivor Series, as Miz & Truth beat Punk & HHH when Nash attacked Hunter and left Punk to take both TruMiz finishers at the same time. Punk has now been pinned on every PPV since his big night in Chicago, so don't let anyone tell you WWE doesn't know how to nurture the career of a breakout star. (This has more to do with WWE only booking for two people than it does some kind of vendetta against Punk.) After the match, Nash powerbombed HHH and he landed awkwardly on his neck. Match was a basic Raw main event, Punk & HHH seemed to have fun doing old 80s tag team spots.

All in all, quality show in-ring made by the two improbably good main events. Good effort up and down the card. Orton/Cody and Christian/Sheamus were well-worked, although the Christian match was too short just like last month, which is too bad because those two are sitting on a great 15 minute match with the usual array of Christian big move reversals.

Ziggler lost in the tag in those four guys' usual hot match and then beat Ryder right after. A Woo.S. champ dream deferred. Putting heels through adversity is not very conducive to making them heels, but Ziggler is the best wrestler in the company right now what with Daniel Bryan stuck in five minute losses.

WWE has a new sad thing where they actually put up a graphic throughout the show that says which Universe Terms are trending on Twitter. Between that and Cole STILL YELLING AT JIM ROSS VIA ROSS'S TWITTER it was not a good night on the social media front.

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.24
    Originally posted by It's False
    Worth $50? Absolutely not. Worth $15?


I should definitely clarify that my standards of show quality do not reflect paying the full PPV price. Good wrestling card is totally worth the stream (of consciousness going through your head as you're watching at the bar!) but they don't do many shows worth $45. What's too bad is, being that I like wrestling and most of their PPVs usually have a lot of good matches, I would probably pay for a lot of PPVs if they didn't feel like WWE cannibalizing its core audience to the point of absurdity. I'd never stream...lined my finances before in my life until the last price raise. It was a bridge too far. (I also split the bought ones with somebody, and sometimes we too go to the bar, but it's amazing to me that bars still show WWE PPVs when they've dwindled to <100,000 buys domestically.)

The gentleman thief pays for the Rumble, Elimination Chamber, Wrestlemania, Money in the Bank, and SummerSlam. TLC also has a good track record. Survivor Series is never worth it but this year is a buy because of Rock, yr welcome. Funnily enough, a more equitable system might be right around the corner with the "Small 9" moving to the WWE Network, leaving a Big 4 again after all these years.

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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    A bunch of stuff.


I actually agree with almost everything you said. Almost. I do not have a 'vendetta' against CM Punk. I just don't believe he is the most awesomest wrestler in all of existence as most of you do. I've even admitted that he's grown on me to where I like him, but I do not believe he should be any higher that midcard and I think that the higher ups in the WWE see it the same way I do. They put him with people who are deserving of being main event superstars and rubs a little on him, but he just isn't in the same category as those other wrestlers. His whole schtick is midcard and that's where he will stay and that is where he belongs. THAT is why he will continue to eat the loses.

That Mark Henry/Big Show match and it's aftermath was a thing of beauty. I think it was done better that the spot with Brock Lesnar cause I really wasn't expecting it this time and the way it happened was completely out of left field considering it wasn't the last match. Did ANYONE expect that before a John Cena match?

I thought this was the strongest PPV they've done so far this year. It definitely exceeded my expectations.

Ah yes, you mentioned Daniel Bryan? Hahah, he lost in the dark match to Wade Barrett... again. A lot of good his winning that Money in The Bank has done him. Another example of an IWC favorite completely not living up to it's perceived potential. Most of you will probably say that Bryan and Punk are the two 'best wrestlers' in the WWE, yet the WWE certainly doesn't see that and neither do I.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.08
    Originally posted by Cerebus

    Ah yes, you mentioned Daniel Bryan? Hahah, he lost in the dark match to Wade Barrett... again. A lot of good his winning that Money in The Bank has done him. Another example of an IWC favorite completely not living up to it's perceived potential. Most of you will probably say that Bryan and Punk are the two 'best wrestlers' in the WWE, yet the WWE certainly doesn't see that and neither do I.


Except that the WWE usually DOES see them as being the best wrestlers in the company, and purposely chooses to have them lose most of their matches as a way to piss off the IWC.

Because God knows they haven't lost enough fans yet.
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Punk got the company main stream press/attention. He also got lapsed fans and/or wrestling fans who normally wouldn't watch WWE interested in the company. He also got current fans amped up for a totally fresh and unique storyline. The company would KILL to book an angle to do all of that, and here one fell right into their laps, all because of Punk. If that doesn't scream "main eventer", than I don't even know. They should've handed Punk tht ball & let him run with it, because the 2 possible options were (1) he makes the company a ton of money, or (2) he bombs & reinforces their opinions of him. Win/win for the company. But because it wasn't in their plans, and because they weren't sure how to run the angle, they totally punted. But you can't say he's not a main event level guy, because he absolutely proved he can deliver.

As for D-Bry, the company was throwing him out on PPV's right after they brought him back, and he was having awesome 10+ minute matches with everyone. He had a couple competitive matches w/ Del Rio a couple months ago, so they had enough faith in Bryan to make Del Rio look good. They are apparently trying to build up Wade Barrett now, so they have faith in Bryan to make Barrett look good. But, of course 5 minute TV matches are a good judge of how good someone is! (And even then, those matches are p. good for what they are).



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.39
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    Except that the WWE usually DOES see [Bryan and Punk] as being the best wrestlers in the company, and purposely chooses to have them lose most of their matches as a way to piss off the IWC.
Wins and losses don't matter (but the length of Bryan's beard does).

You can always tell a member of "the IWC" by how vastly they overestimate how much the WWE thinks of them when putting such otherwise obviously rational, careful thought into their booking decisions.

I mean, they are barely managing to book for Twitter at this point. They're definitely not booking for Grantland yet.



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sup 'bus

    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Ah yes, you mentioned Daniel Bryan? Hahah, he lost in the dark match to Wade Barrett... again. A lot of good his winning that Money in The Bank has done him. Another example of an IWC favorite completely not living up to it's perceived potential. Most of you will probably say that Bryan and Punk are the two 'best wrestlers' in the WWE, yet the WWE certainly doesn't see that and neither do I.


Punk is paid like a main eventer now (first class air travel and his own bus!) so I expect him to stick near the top from here on out just out of their own principle of "we chose to pay him all this so he must be a star then."

Even with the losing streak, I would still wait and see what happens with Bryan's guaranteed world title shot with 100% success rate he hasn't used yet before any conclusions are reached on him.
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What up J-Shap!

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Punk is paid like a main eventer now (first class air travel and his own bus!) so I expect him to stick near the top from here on out just out of their own principle of "we chose to pay him all this so he must be a star then."


Yes, you see, we agree here. "Near the top", which as I recall, is still considered mid-card.

That 100% success rate of the MITB winners sure has done a lot for for those guys. Let's look at this.

2005 - Edge

Edge was already a main eventer at this point in his career so winning didn't really 'help' him.

2006 - Rob Van Dam

Van Dam winning was really just for storytelling purposes thanks to the ECW brand getting pushed at the time. It helped ECW in the short term, but look where THAT went.

2007 - Kennedy

Kennedy was an idiot who lost it to Edge who was already at main event status.

2008 - Punk
2009 - Punk

Punk cashed in on Batista in 2008 and held the title for a few months, it didn't work out well so the had Orton punt him in the head to get the belt off him.

In 2009, Punk cashed in again, this time against Jeff Hardy. Punk had a decent, yet again, short run with the title.

2010 - Swagger, Kane, and The Miz

Swagger's win was a total waste. Nothing went well for him. Kane had a good run from his MITB win but Kane has always been teetering in that low-end, main eventer spot. The Miz's MITB win was just a small step towards his greatness and will be in a Kane like position for the rest of his career.

2011 - Del Rio and Daniel Bryan

Del Rio cashed in and held the title for what... a couple weeks before losing it to John Cena? It made his winning look like a joke. He has almost gotten over it in the past month or so after getting the belt back, but he would have been given the title no matter what thanks to that TV taping in Mexico. Sadly, I don't think Del Rio will last much longer in the main event. He'll be back down the card before Wrestlemania.

This brings us to Daniel Bryan, who has only been seen on television less that a handful of times since winning MITB. I'd say maybe half to a third of the viewers probably don't even remember that he won it. Hell, there probably even a good chance, maybe 40% right now, that the WWE might even be thinking the same thing and might pretend it didn't even happen. Nothing is 'guaranteed', don't believe me... why not ask NXT season two winner Low-Ki/Kaval who was let go a couple months after winning that. What happened to his 'guaranteed' title match?

I wouldn't put ANYTHING past this company.



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I'm more offended by the fact that Nash was back than Punk eating the pin. I gotta think WWE is thinking longterm with Punk (like, WrestleMania longterm). So losses on two minor PPVs isn't really a big deal.

Total setup PPV, but that's pretty much what it had to be.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.08
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    I'm more offended by the fact that Nash was back than Punk eating the pin. I gotta think WWE is thinking longterm with Punk (like, WrestleMania longterm). So losses on two minor PPVs isn't really a big deal.

    Total setup PPV, but that's pretty much what it had to be.


I don't know. They don't seem to know what their plan is for the end of a show once it starts. I'm not sure they have any Wrestlemania plans in place for people not named Cena or Orton.

Edit: Oh, and real small plans for people named Morrison.

(edited by Tribal Prophet on 24.10.11 0113)
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.40
Does one dude really need his own bus? Seems pretty lonely.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
      I'm more offended by the fact that Nash was back than Punk eating the pin. I gotta think WWE is thinking longterm with Punk (like, WrestleMania longterm). So losses on two minor PPVs isn't really a big deal.

      Total setup PPV, but that's pretty much what it had to be.


    I don't know. They don't seem to know what their plan is for the end of a show once it starts. I'm not sure they have any Wrestlemania plans in place for people not named Cena or Orton.


If all the online news sources are to be believed they know exactly where they're going for WrestleMania, they're just making a hash of the shows in between.
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    Originally posted by AlbySure
    Does one dude really need his own bus? Seems pretty lonely.


Maybe his chick Colt Cabana and his buddy Beth Phoenix travel with him?
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I watched about 2/3 of this before my apathy and need for sleep kicked in. What I saw wasn't bad, just terribly annoying.

Imagine if the announce team tried to put over the wrestlers as much as they do Twitter? How unbearable. If I ever tweeted something WWE related (which I don't and never, ever will) this shit would get me to stop straight away. I cannot even understand why they think people would want to pay money to listen to that. On a similar note, why the hell is Booker on commentary? He's beyond horrible and not in an amusing way.

Anyway... even-steven booking for Ziggler which does nothing to help Ryder. Back to youtube with you, broski.

The divas match wasn't too bad, despite Eve's screeching. Beth goes over and it looks like the focus will shift back to Kelly now. Are there any other viable contenders?

I thought Sheamus and Christian lacked any real chemistry and Christian took the inevitable loss. Not sure what he does now, or Sheamus for that matter since Henry/Show will have to continue.

The Punk/HHH match was the only one I was really curious to see, as Awesome Truth had to go over to keep things going, but how? Shockingly Punk eats the pin and the only person who gets any heat on HHH is his good buddy Nash. If HHH was injured of that powerbomb, it would only serve him right.

Couldn't sustain interest in Orton/Rhodes and Orton winning was as much a lock as Sheamus. So that was it for me... I had no interest in the top two matches and spectical aside, doesn't sound like I missed much.




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No, just the best two matches on the card.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Which is fine, but if I have no interest in the participants or the stories, there wasn't much reason for me to stick with it.




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To be fair to Lord, those two matches did not look like they were going to be good matches, so him opting out should not be held against him. I thought maybe Henry/Show would be ok, but reusing the ring collapse spot was not something I would have expected. It sounds like the PPV I called expect for Air Boom and Orton going over. A very heel centric PPV to make it a dark time for the WWE when Rock can come in and save it.

I am going to buy Survivor Series for Rock which WWE will mistakenly think the buy increase has something to do with their current storylines being good. The idea of a Super Team against Nash, ADR, Miz and Truth has me skeptical. Tension will be teased and all, but the idea of Rock and HHH being on the same side gives me pause. Plus, does anyone not see them going over unless it turns into a giant cluster fuck.

I disagree and its probably, because I am IWC. Wins and losses matter. If Hogan loses to Andre or Sheik, he is not Hogan. If Austin doesn't beat HBK or even get on his roll during that time, we don't have Attitude Era. Goldberg made his hay and WCW made money with his winning streak. Wins and losses matter. Probably more to the casual fan than the IWC.

People want to see someone get the job done if they don't then they lose faith in that wrestler. I have no idea why they feel the need to job out Bryan and yes, that is what they are doing. Unless when he wins at Mania it will be a huge upset, yet beating the champion at Mania for him even before the losing streak would be seen as an upset. So, it really doesn't make too much sense other than WWE's illogical thinking that us making you a loser will make fans care about when in reality it makes you a loser. Punk eating the pin instead of HHH should shock no one at this point. The Nash syphilis line is pretty dead on.

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12
Have I missed something? Have they moved WrestleMania to November or is it still six months away? Because there's a lot more pressing things that WWE needs to fix before worrying about Daniel Bryan losing matches.

Cerebus' post up there is all kinds of hilarious silliness. Edge was a main eventer when he won MITB in 2005? How many shows had he main evented at that point? I think it was in the region of none. And Kaval got his guaranteed title shot against Ziggler at Survivor Series last year.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.08
They won't have to worry about Bryan at Mania, because he will be in the damaged goods sections next to Morrison in a few weeks. Bryan has to win a match and soon. You can't have a guy go into Mania with a record of 0-300 after winning MITB.



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