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In the first training session (no theme), we're reminded that all three guys are not any good in the ring.

The Miz is never not the Miz. People take photos.

The second session is highlighted by Trish instructing Andy on how to better be a giant. This time, everyone has the potential to be great. It's almost like someone trying to force a narrative out of an episode that really didn't have one, since we're just killing time until the final elimination.

In the same vein, the contestants and Austin visit a children's hospital. This is a very nice way to fill time.

The Skills Session is just more stuff, with Austin calling sequences and the trainers unable to help. They ran out of ideas a week early! Trainers (though not so much Booker, who's here but drifting into the background.) To fill the talking quote, the announcers discuss each hero's journey...except everyone notes Jeremiah is not grasping things as much as the other two. They don't kill Jeremiah, but they don't say anything bad about the other two.

Trainers discussing the trainees is NOT shown. Luke gets in the title.

Austin is concerned Jeremiah isn't dedicated to this. Austin is sure Andy is mentally weak, noting Jeremiah is not complaining about missing his kid. Jeremiah notes being on the road means not being with the wife and kids.

Jeremiah: Hell, I got a divorce of this sh[mute]
Austin: I got three, big deal.

Austin: Are you mentally stronger than Andy?
Jeremiah: I'm mentally stronger than anyone in this ring.
Austin: Other than me.

Luke informs Austin that it's an entertainment business. Austin is glad someone finally informed him of this. Luke says that since he mentored Jeremiah, he wins if Jeremiah wins. Austin points out that's still Luke losing.

(break! this is two segments, because nothing is going on)

Luke says Jeremiah is more arrogant. Jeremiah says it's confident. "I got skillz." Luke points out he had a better skill challenge, and Jeremiah did not bring it to the Skills Challenge.

Austin asks Andy if he's going to start crying. Andy says no, he's just passionate. Austin doesn't think he has charisma. Andy: "I got fire, I got who s[mute]ton of fire in me. I got enough fire for everyone in this ring, I got a mean streak a mile long." Eh.

Austin: Andy, do you think Luke here has any potential in this business?
Andy: Zero.
[Luke chortles]
Austin: Damn, how come?
Andy: 'cause he's a weasel
[Luke laughs, a bit like a weasel]
Andy: ain't even comfortable in his own skin
Luke: I love my own skin!
Austin: You got a pretty good complexion there kid.
[Luke hahas]
Austin: but you always have that nervous laugh

They debate that point
Luke: I get excited in this ring
Austin: I call it twitchy
Luke: Excited
Austin: Twitchy
Luke: Call it what you will
Austin: I will. Twitchy. You're twitchy.

Back to Andy and Austin arguing his charisma. Andy argues he's pacing himself. Austin points that Jeremiah never slowed down, Jeremiah says he raced the bar everyday.

Austin: What happened today?
Jeremiah: [pause] I left it all in the ring
Austin: You left a pile of s[mute]t in the ring today, son. For all the good days you had, you got outperformed today.

Austin and Jeremiah debate Jeremiah's wreckless re: a wacky twisting top rope elbow drop that Jeremiah that he was impressed everyone with, but everyone thought he kind of screwed.

Austin takes a step back, sums up, and says Jeremiah's greenness finally caught up. "It's ain't by much, but you're going home." Austin lets the other two know that they both nearly lost. Jeremiah takes it well, and Austin lets him hand him the belt. Jeremiah hugs the guys goodbye, and Austin compliments him. Jeremiah carries his bag over his shoulder on the way out.

Austin tells Jeremiah and Luke will next have a five minute match at FCW in front of fans and the brass. Whoever impresses win. That'll be a long sixty minutes. To kill the a final bit of time, Austin has a beer bash with Luke and Andy as we get clips of them talking about why they're going to win.

Next time: FCW.





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Episode was lacking (as you pointed out), and you highlighted the good/great Austin parts. I just kept thinking; imagine this show twenty-five years ago in The Dungeon. Stu Hart, FTW.
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Austin signs a little boy's toy wrestling ring at the children's hospital. Luke also signs the ring.

Luke: "Let's hope this'll be worth a lot of money some day."
Austin: "It already is. I signed it."

I'm Stone Cold Steve Austin and I'm funny.

We could all learn a lot from The Miz on how to exit a room: "Remember: I'm Awesome!" I love that guy. And you're right, Cubs, he's always The Miz. He lives his gimmick, and why wouldn't he? He's awesome.

The episode was lacking because realization of the final three not being that great overall, because the cast was never great to begin with, has set in. One of these guys (Luke) will be Tough Enough. Excited?

If Luke does win, I wish the cameras would continue to follow him throughout his first year (if he lasts that long) with WWE. It would be extremely entertaining to watch the WWE locker room eat his cocky ass alive.

(edited by John Orquiola on 31.5.11 0441)


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Jesus, is Andy nine years old? The TE guys had to hold his hand this whole episode. Stand up straight. Act like you want to be on camera. I think the they owe the FCW trainers an apology for what they sent to Tampa. Andy will need constant attention. With Martin and Christina gone, he became the pet project.

Jeremiah, in contrast, is extremely coachable, an early fundamental component. Now, yes, my boy botched a hiptoss, and it seemed to be from fatigue. But he had the initiative to try that corkscrew elbow. He wants it. Andy wants to feed his family, but that doesn't mean he wants to be a wrestler. What does he want to do in sports entertainment? To be a star? A performer? A role model for kids? I think he sees a glittery paycheck.

Luke, I think, sees a fitting platform for his attributes, and given how little adjustment he needed this episode, he seems to be in like Flynn. I can't argue that notion. Andy is a choice based on hope. Jeremiah is a choice based on earned respect. I think the wrong guy went home.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.33

    I think the they owe the FCW trainers an apology for what they sent to Tampa.


As it turns out, Andy was actually one of the people pulled over from FCW for this show. (That may explain why Christina and Andy were such friends, even though they never seemed that close before their final episode.)



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    As it turns out, Andy was actually one of the people pulled over from FCW for this show. (That may explain why Christina and Andy were such friends, even though they never seemed that close before their final episode.)


And he was still that hesitant? And he needed that much polish? Only makes me like Jeremiah more.



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I was going to watch this, I still might, but to me as soon as Martin left, you know Luke was the clear cut favorite. Yet, I am not sure why? He has the look, but he is not that impressive in the ring and last week, he failed the charisma skills challenge. The guy bases himself off of Ric Flair and can't even win the charisma stuff, come on. I don't know if its the WWE milking the fact they have a legit heel on their hands thus he stays on the show or he has been lucky. Maybe Luke will surprise me and be a star, maybe he won't. At the end of the day, I think he was their obvious second choice.

I don't mind the cast, because it is a show about people who want to be in the WWE who are not polished. Granted some of them have experience and others don't which is fine. If they filled it with ROH or TNA cast-offs what is the point? It might be fun to see some people we know. Yet the trainers will shit all over ROH's wresting style or joke on how terrible their TNA gimmick was by the Ringmaster, Laughing Hugh Morris, GI Harlem Heat and I want Bubba's wood Stratus. It would be a burial job which I am not saying won't happen, but its not what I want to see. I'd rather see someone who is unknown and work their way up. I also doubt anyone with a brain in ROH and TNA would want to go on TE where they will be surely sent home early.

(edited by lotjx on 31.5.11 1044)


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
Actually, there were some very well-known people from ROH and other major indies who applied to get on the show and were turned away.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.01
    Originally posted by lotjx
    he is not that impressive in the ring


Is this really something one can assess based on the fraction of their training that airs? Unless you're someone they show repeatedly blowing stuff. Ditto the fact that you probably can't tell just how much more further along the Andy might be than untrained Jeremiah just based on showing snippets of one or two drills a week.



    I don't mind the cast, because it is a show about people who want to be in the WWE who are not polished. Granted some of them have experience and others don't which is fine. If they filled it with ROH or TNA cast-offs what is the point? It might be fun to see some people we know. Yet the trainers will shit all over ROH's wresting style or joke on how terrible their TNA gimmick was by the Ringmaster, Laughing Hugh Morris, GI Harlem Heat and I want Bubba's wood Stratus. It would be a burial job which I am not saying won't happen, but its not what I want to see. I'd rather see someone who is unknown and work their way up. I also doubt anyone with a brain in ROH and TNA would want to go on TE where they will be surely sent home early.


Austin Aries did audition for Tough Enough but he was turned down. Interpret that in whatever way you choose.

I think Tough Enough as a show works better with randoms but the problem was always that the winner was never ready to capitalize on the TV exposure. It took John Morrison Nitro Hennigan three years to advance from TE winner to good athlete carried in a tag team by Joey Mercury, and he basically started from scratch without TE ever benefitting him.

That said, Tough Enough is more valuable as a show to have a good show than it is for getting a roster star out of the winner. Especially this year as the prestige version with Austin and the production values.

Also I listened to Ivelisse's exit interview on that diva podcast thing. She is the best.
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They should do at least 2 seasons of this a year. Austin is just brilliant. And I don't mean as a reality show host. I think he has a great head for the business.

I would really like to see what would happen if Austin tried to start a promotion. Ok, that's a bit much, but I just think he "gets" it.

I love how Austin treats Luke. He know that he's gonna win the competition, but he is gonna make him earn it. I don't think Austin likes his attitude. He really ran with Andy's "weasel" comment. Something Andy himself should have done a lot more of.

The problem with Andy is that he has no idea who he should even be in the ring. During the photoshoot, he looked like a complete goof when he was trying to come up with poses.

Jeremiah really impressed, but I can't see him doing anything more than being a member of Nexus or something of that level if they brought him in.

Oh, and a longshot prediction. Punk will disrupt the finale and start a feud with Austin.
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Ok so Jeremiah, the guy who only started wrestling when he got on this show, surpassed mostly everybody each week in challenges, who never complained, is easily trainable, created a move I've never seen before, and never appeared in the Bottom 3 loses to a guy who tears up every time Stone Cold is a little mean to him? All because he botched a hip toss? Granted he moved a little too fast, but that should be a good thing. Andy is so inept he has to be told how to BE a big guy, which he naturally is. He is a giant with a child's mind.

Vince's need for Big and Tall guys baffles me to this day. Yes Austin makes the eliminations on the show, but he must be thinking from a talent scouts perception. Who would Vince want me to pick? His character is anti-authority, but Austin is still a company man through and through. That would also explain how Eric kept getting a pass as long as he did without showing any actual talent, yet he had "a great look".

Here's hoping they sign Jeremiah anyway. If he is that good from training in a few months he'll be tv ready at six months.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    Ok so Jeremiah, the guy who only started wrestling when he got on this show, surpassed mostly everybody each week in challenges, who never complained, is easily trainable, created a move I've never seen before, and never appeared in the Bottom 3 loses to a guy who tears up every time Stone Cold is a little mean to him? All because he botched a hip toss? Granted he moved a little too fast, but that should be a good thing. Andy is so inept he has to be told how to BE a big guy, which he naturally is. He is a giant with a child's mind.


One of my theatre directors always said "I'd rather reign in a zealot than raise the dead." Andy is already in the business (apparently in FCW before TE), yet he didn't get previously get called out on being surpassed by abject rookies. A guy with Andy's experience SHOULD beat out someone like Jeremiah, but someone who can't outshine Jeremiah with that experience needs to re-evaluate his career. Jeremiah came to play.

Let's say Andy wins the whole deal. Is the WWE saying he, as an FCW performer, only needed three months of daily training and a variety of non-wrestling challenges to make the leap to the bigs? The problem with his Silent Rage gimmick is that he's neither at the same time. He raises his voice alongside his dander, and that's not so bad if he could project intensity, but all we can see is indignation. His best presentation came in his post-Final Three monologue to the camera. He brings it when his place is already secure, but he couldn't bring that when it was time to compete.

Jeremiah, however, projected some nice confidence and swagger when confronted in the Final Three. I can't believe he lost his spot just because of a bad hiptoss. The persistent argument that he screwed up on the third bag slam had the same feel of blaming AJ for Christina's injury. They pounced on a rationale and ignored that Jeremiah either planned that or turned a small slip into a big move.





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
If Andy wants to make his "Silent Rage" gimmick work, he should watch this week's Game of Thrones over and over...

I think that Austin knows that WWE is looking for someone to put on TV ASAP, not a couple years down the road.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    Ok so Jeremiah, the guy who only started wrestling when he got on this show, surpassed mostly everybody each week in challenges, who never complained, is easily trainable, created a move I've never seen before, and never appeared in the Bottom 3 loses to a guy who tears up every time Stone Cold is a little mean to him? All because he botched a hip toss?


He also botched a leapfrog and nearly headbutted Luke when they both thought the other was leaping.

Double drop toe holds and double duck-unders in consecutive weeks.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.21
Both Austin and Bill have said for weeks now that Jeremiah is in over his head. That's he's an accident waiting to happen.

We don't see all that much. Andy might be outwrestling Jeremiah day in day out. Or not, who knows...

People that say Austin picks what Vince wants (a big guy) might have to consider that that's what Austin himself likes too. He was raised with old school Texas rasslin. No small guys and flipping in his ring.

I do feel they went with Andy and Luke because they contrast and it makes for an interesting finale.
Luke really is insecure despite all his efforts to be cocky.
I think Andy might have more upside. He's willing and possibly able to improve. Luke feels he is god's gift and that's it.






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