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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.31
Missed the first half of this episode, thought the airing after RAW was the new episode too. Oddly, no. So the reasons Matt were cut were a mystery to me, but I'm not entirely sure it would've been cleared if I had seen the whole thing. It actually felt more like Matt was here to be a sacrifical lamb, on the show only to be a shocking cut. They're clearly gravitating towards the bigger guys and hoping they can coach them up, as they always hope, and it seems unlikely Matt was going to grow half a foot between casting and week 2.

Though, if Matt absorbed any of it, I'm pretty sure that speech was some stuff Matt needed to hear. He did not appear to be in absorbing mood. (Maybe Bill's call after the show, after actually watching Matt on YouTube, helped more. He should do pretty busy with indy bookings for a while if he's not also under developmental.)

If any person on the show who didn't have "reigning Miss USA" under their name had been 20 minutes late, they'd be cut. There is no question about it. Her immunity pass will run out at some point, but probably not until half the season is over.

Answering the big burning question from last week: Big is listed as a producer.



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Trish wanted to see something from Matt in the vein of actually having a pulse, so she had him wrestle Luke and he did not impress. So she buried him to the booker (not the Booker, he was at Smackdown).

I'm sure there's a John Morrision joke here somewhere.
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I also missed the first 15 minutes, and I think the bit with "Luke 'stealing the show' from Matt" was wrapping up just as I tuned in, so I missed it too. ALSO I also figured I'd see it later during the replay, only to discover the replay wasn't the episode I was expecting. Bummer.

(I was also (x3!) hoping you were committing to starting threads for the full run but I forgot to find you before the show started. )

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I thought the highlight of the show that wasn't Austin's reaction to anything was ... the two dudes having a conversation as their Austin impressions.

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I forget exactly what happened when, but those of you tuning in late may have also missed the attack dog segment, which was there mostly for Austin's wonderful cackling every time the dog won a round and him being bummed out whenever the dog lost.

The takeaway we were meant to...take away...during the Luke/Matt display was that they thought he wasn't making any noises or any facial expressions while taking any of his moves, just very competently bumping in a silent vacuum, while Luke - who was just in there to be the guy throwing moves on him - was putting something into it every time. The way it was presented, Trish specifically sent him in there to show them what he could do, but it seemed like he never grasped what she was talking about, while we got to see Trish and DeMott immediately key in on their perception that Luke, unprompted, was showing "it" while Matt continued to just proficiently bump.

The gulf between what they seemed to want from him and what he was expecting then came back at the end. He seemed to think that holding back his high flying stuff was costing him, but I don't think that would have won Austin over at all. The "Permission to speak?" thing - this week's "Melina vs. Alica Fox!", and I hope Austin continues to do something gif-worthy during the cut sequence every week, because his "Awwwwww (CLAP!) LET'S JUST SAY PERMISSION GRANTED!" was top shelf - was the dealbreaker.

Austin is just dying for one of these kids to cut a promo back at him. We saw it last week when he literally switched places with Eric and told him exactly what he would have said, and he did it again this week, telling them what they all missed saying, and practically cutting Matt's "this is MY TIME" promo for him, only to see him fail to take it, leading up to Austin's brutal "I didn't miss my window, but yours just closed" killshot.

I don't know if it was scripted, reshot or actually legit, but the moment where Austin cuts Matt and goes for the belt, and he hangs on for a second and asks if he's serious was a truly great bit of reality TV. I do agree that he was added to be the sacrificial, anything-can-happen lamb (it's not good TV to have the experienced guy win) and I don't know how "real" his confessional about "I think they're just trying to scare the shit out of me" was, but the whole thing was compelling and proves that whoever is running the show knows what they're doing and knows what they have in Austin.

Next week's Luke Episode will be interesting, since he's the easy favorite now, exceling in the ring, cutting promos, doing impressions and now he gets to actually mix it up with Austin. Whether it's him or somebody else - and I get the impression DeMott is trying to force the blonde to break and show some personality, especially when Austin brought it up at the end ("Are you terrible or is Bill just an asshole?") - whichever one of them figures out first that they're practically begging someone to develop a character will be in great shape, if they can actually pull it off.

Oh, and TRUE highlight of the episode: Cena was there at the beginning, and when he left, we got to see a HANDSHAKE MONTAGE! of all the kids going up to him. This is the most important lesson any of them will ever learn about being a WWE Superstar/Diva.
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#6 Posted on
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    Next week's Luke Episode will be interesting, since he's the easy favorite now, exceling in the ring, cutting promos, doing impressions and now he gets to actually mix it up with Austin. Whether it's him or somebody else - and I get the impression DeMott is trying to force the blonde to break and show some personality, especially when Austin brought it up at the end ("Are you terrible or is Bill just an asshole?") - whichever one of them figures out first that they're practically begging someone to develop a character will be in great shape, if they can actually pull it off.


I was hoping that the kid would respond, "Well, of course he's an asshole!"

Here's a fun game: Predict what would happen if the guy did what Austin suggested and told Bill to take the "skidmark" nickname and shove it up his ass? Yeah, something tells me that wouldn't be too pretty. So much of the stuff Austin tells them they "shoulda" done ... I'd wager they'd get the taste slapped out of their mouth if they actually did it.

It's great for show, but I'm guessing they know who's leaving when they walk in there and all the talk is just to make it dramatic. Yeah, there are some lessons (don't ever be late again), but for the most part I think Austin is riffing off what they say just to beat 'em down. I mean, if one of the people last night *did* answer "Well, I see a WWE Superstar," Austin probably would have gone off on them for that for one reason or another.
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I was upset at first when Matt was in the bottom three, but he sure didn't help himself with his responses to Austin's questioning.

Also thought it would've been funny for one of the contestants, when John Cena walked in and everyone gasped, to go, "who's that'?"
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Out of the three, Ryan probably should have gone. I really don't think he has the stomach to stay away from his girlfriend. If he's crying after a couple weeks, what would he do on the road.

I figured Rima would get off the hook because Austin has been impressed with her bumping. I almost wonder if Austin had made up his mind before he got to the ring. It seemed like Matt asking for permission was the last straw for Austin.

This is an absolutely perfect role for Austin. The problem with his last couple stints in WWE is that he has been muzzled since he isn't going to wrestle. With Tough Enough, he can be the old Stone Cold and chew everyone out.
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Austin is excelling at his role, as are Trish, Booker T and Bill, but...

...does Austin think that EVERY new wrestler coming down the pike has to be just like he was in 1995? Devil's advocate, Steve, but not every greenhorn absolutely HAS to make it by cutting promos in ECW saying how angry they are at getting fired/screwed by Eric Bischoff.

It seems to me like if you're not pissed off at the world, Stone Cold isn't gonna like you on this show.





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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
Matt just didn't get it. He kept saying, even after being eliminated, that he never got his chance to show what he could do. Trish gave him his chance and he blew it and he still could not understand that he got that chance.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.39
All I want to know is, how did everyone stand in the corner waiting for Bill DeMott to give them an avalanche and not think: "There's a Hugh G. Rection coming at me!"?



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#12 Posted on
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Matt just didn't get it. He kept saying, even after being eliminated, that he never got his chance to show what he could do. Trish gave him his chance and he blew it and he still could not understand that he got that chance.


I don't quite agree. I think he was saying that his bailiwick is the high-flying stuff, and he wasn't given the chance to show how good he was at that. However, he was given a chance to perform and didn't do the basics well -- or at least, didn't do them with any emotion. He might have been crisp and clean, but it was robotic and formulaic. Sure, he might be able to do some fancy flip-flying around, but if you're straight faced taking a bump ... well, you're gonna get voted out before you even get to that. If I have a difficult tax form to fill out and I'm looking at six potential CPAs, if one of 'em can't even show me they can fill out a 1040EZ well, I'm not gonna even ask them if they can do the biggie.
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    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    He might have been crisp and clean, but it was robotic and formulaic. Sure, he might be able to do some fancy flip-flying around, but if you're straight faced taking a bump ... well, you're gonna get voted out before you even get to that.


Maybe he has test anxiety. I don't remember him having any problems selling when I saw him live. I didn't see him on Wrestling Society X, does anyone who did remember how his selling was on there? (Although looking at the WSX roster, maybe nobody had to sell for that show.)
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
Like others have alluded to, this show has an air of "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" in it. If you speak up or cut a promo or yell at a trainer, you will no doubt be called disrespectful. If you are guarded and respectful, you are "not showing enough personality" or some other bullshit like that.

The trainers are getting off on having their cake and eating it too. It's almost like a whole cadre of Bob Holly wannabes are participating this year (minus the too-real beatdowns).

I am only sad that no one in the bottom three was wearing terrible pants this week.



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    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Hokienautic
      He might have been crisp and clean, but it was robotic and formulaic. Sure, he might be able to do some fancy flip-flying around, but if you're straight faced taking a bump ... well, you're gonna get voted out before you even get to that.


    Maybe he has test anxiety. I don't remember him having any problems selling when I saw him live. I didn't see him on Wrestling Society X, does anyone who did remember how his selling was on there? (Although looking at the WSX roster, maybe nobody had to sell for that show.)


Well what also might have been an issue is that this were HIS 3 minutes, and he allowed Luke to take over and started bumping for him. He did one flip iirc. He did not stand up for himself. He didn't do what he said he could, take charge and flip around for em

Of course there's the risk of getting chewed out if you talk back, but it would earn their respect (hi, JoMo!)





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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
All that flippy floppy stuff isn't what they want in today's WWE. They want moderately 'ok' actors who look good on camera and can take a few bumps.

You can be the best indy wrestler in the world, but if you have the personality of a a dead fish, then you ain't gonna make it. Matt is a dead fish.

Today's WWE is about characters and showmanship; not athleticism.



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#17 Posted on
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    All that flippy floppy stuff isn't what they want in today's WWE. They want moderately 'ok' actors who look good on camera and can take a few bumps.

    You can be the best indy wrestler in the world, but if you have the personality of a a dead fish, then you ain't gonna make it. Matt is a dead fish.

    Today's WWE is about characters and showmanship; not athleticism.


All of those things are true, but all of those things are exactly why Matt can make the claim he wasn't given a chance.

Clearly the WWE had already made up their mind that they wanted either A) a good looking girl, B) someone big or C) someone with a great personality. No matter what Matt did it wasn't going to change their mind so why did they even bother inviting him?

Matt is not an unknown, he's wrestled on WWE programming, they know exactly what he is and they know that he's exactly what they don't want. Maybe Matt didn't make the best of that moment but he's right that overall the WWE wasn't REALLY going to give him a chance and they clearly brought him here just to toss him out.

(Let's also not forget that these shows are edited to make the WWE and the trainers look good and they can purpose make the contestants look bad. For all we know Matt could've shown more and it was edited out.)



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
Holy God glass ceiling bullshit and conspiracy theories abot Tough Enough.
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The funniest part about everyone claiming that the decision to hire someone big as though that is inevitable is that, as best I can remember, no one big has ever won Tough Enough, even though they have had plenty of chances to steer things that way. Maybe Matt Morgan would have been a winner in season 3 had he not been injured, but so far the list of TE male winners is Maven, John Morrison, Matt Capotelli, and Daniel Puder. Not a monster in the group.



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I think it is more about exposing each contestants weakness and seeing how the handle it. Rima is obviously gonna be green, but they are looking to see if she's gonna take the bumps and suck it up. She pissed them off with the padding, but redeemed herself a bit with the slam challenge.

Matt had the skills, but no personality. Trish gave him the chance to at least try and he didn't.

I think they want Ryan to grow a pair. If somebody actually tries to do what they say like the two survivors last week, they seem cool with it.
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