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#1 Posted on
I thought about putting this in the video games section, but decided that it really is a more wrestling-related question.

So, I'm playing No Mercy, and it occurs to me that of the many moves/holds available to one's CAW, I don't think I've seen a lot of them on American television at all, and certainly not in the WWF (thinking specifically of moves like the Burning Hammer, Screwdriver, 6 seconds magic, among others). Does the WWE discourage the use of certain types of moves, fearing injury?

I hear a lot about workers having to adapt to the "WWE style." Does anyone know what said style actually is?



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#2 Posted on
Scott Steiner used to use the Screwdriver, but then he put on about 100 extra pounds of muscle.
The piledriver has been essentially banned since late 2000 because it was no longer an effective finishing manuever, thus the risk of injury was too great for a transitional move.



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Firstly, the reason that those moves are in the WWE games is because the game designers know that many American wrestling fans are fans of other styles of wrestling, and thus to appeal to a broader audience and to put alot of pretty cool moves that aren't common but look nice in a video game, they pack all of the moves into the games.

The WWE style, or at least the WWE Main Event style consists of mostly brawling, an occasional spot, maybe a technical move or submission and the finish. The knock on alot of guys is that they hit spots fine, but they can't brawl (RVD, Jericho, etc) or that they brawl too much and don't hit any big looking spots (Steiner, for example). Most of the current main event roster (including Undertaker and HHH believe it or not) can do all of the above quite effectively.



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#4 Posted on
I think the match that best shows what WWF/E Main Event Style is supposed to be is Rock-Austin from Mania X7. Personally, I disagree with they way they try to make the whole roster work the same type of style/matches but the style can work well and its what they've conditioned their fans to expect from the Main Events. However, when they don't get it (HHH-Steiner), they shit on the Main Events or feel cheated.

In WCW, they had a lot of varied styles so I think it was easier to get the fans to accept the slow/crappy Main Events. It was just the lack of finishes that ended up killing that, IMO. If you look back at even some of the worst Hogan Main Events up until about 98, the crowd's were into it until the end when they just looked to the back, knowing the non-finish was coming.
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On the topic of No Mercy, some stuff is around. Didn't Chaz/Mosh do a Burning Hammer for a period of time? I think it's his Back special move in Wrestlemania 2000 for N64. In TNA a couple of weeks ago, Low-ki actually did 6 Seconds Magic on one of the AMW boys. Sometimes, those rare moves do sneak their way onto your television. I'm still waiting for Nash to bust out a Turnbuckle powerbomb when he returns.



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Thanks, guys. Now that you've provided examples of what the style is, I think it's kinda silly for WWE to try and mold everyone into using their style, especially if they're gonna sign guys who can't work it. It'd be nice to give fans a different kind of match to watch for a change. Or maybe I just need to start ordering TNA....



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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by shockdown
    Thanks, guys. Now that you've provided examples of what the style is, I think it's kinda silly for WWE to try and mold everyone into using their style, especially if they're gonna sign guys who can't work it. It'd be nice to give fans a different kind of match to watch for a change. Or maybe I just need to start ordering TNA....


That would make the undercard better then the Main Event. WWE won't allow such a thing.





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WWE style is boring, slow-paced brawling. I hate how they make everyone who comes to WWE adapt to that style, as it makes everything seem the same with no variety. They make each individual adapt to "main-event style" (same as WWE style) instead of adapting the main-event to an individual's style.

You wanna' know a perfect example? Watch an RVD match from the summer/fall of 2001, when he first got to the WWF. His matches were exciting, with lots of cool looking moves and chair spots galore. Now watch a tape of him from today. Much more boring. Not totally boring, as he still can hit some neat moves, but not at all like what he did when he first got to the WWF.

It's why a WWE cruiserweight division will never work as well in WWE as it did in WCW. WCW would allow variety, WWE will not. The cruiserweights still do some flashy moves, but 90% of their matches is the same punch/kick crap that you see from Triple H and Undertaker. Personally, I'm suprised Rey Misterio is still allowed to do half the stuff he does in the ring.

It's why the idea of Low-Ki entering WWE, even though many feel WWE should hire him, is ridiculous. Because he'll just end up like a Yoshihiro Tajiri. He will quickly be told to tone down his style, regardless of how over he is, because Undertaker (American badass that he is) will claim his kicks hurt too much. *coughpussycough*

I feel that the WWE style of punch/kick/punch worked well for when guys like Steve Austin and Triple H and Undertaker were main-eventing all the shows. But people are growing tired of it. They want more action. It's why the tag title match at No Mercy, and the Benoit/Angle match at Royal Rumble got so over with the crowd. The style was so totally different, and was exciting. It's why RVD and Tajiri and Rey Misterio got so over with the crowd. Their style is exciting, and what the fans want to see today. It's why Albert will never get over, no matter how hard Vince pushes him. The slow boring fat guy is a thing of the past. If only Vince could see it.



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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by that1870sguy
    I'm still waiting for Nash to bust out a Turnbuckle powerbomb when he returns.

Hey, we've seen the turnbuckle powerbomb *twice* within the last month, once on Raw and once on SD. If memory serves correct, they were:

--Batista on RVD
--Angle on Benoit



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#10 Posted on
    Originally posted by OMEGA
    WWE style is boring, slow-paced brawling. I hate how they make everyone who comes to WWE adapt to that style, as it makes everything seem the same with no variety. They make each individual adapt to "main-event style" (same as WWE style) instead of adapting the main-event to an individual's style.


I disagree. It's mostly the guys at the top of the card who wrestle the same brawling style, unless they themselves are brawlers. Guys like Shelton Benjamin, Kidman, Lance Storm, and Jeff Hardy do NOT brawl (in fact, I'd go so far as to say that Kidman, Storm, and Jeff CAN'T effectively brawl, I haven't seen Shelton really try, so I'll reserve judgment). They're either high flyers or technicians, and they have their own little niche too, so let's not oversimplify things too much.


    You wanna' know a perfect example? Watch an RVD match from the summer/fall of 2001, when he first got to the WWF. His matches were exciting, with lots of cool looking moves and chair spots galore. Now watch a tape of him from today. Much more boring. Not totally boring, as he still can hit some neat moves, but not at all like what he did when he first got to the WWF.


Do you remember why that was? He busted open or otherwise injured almost every single one of his opponents over that stretch of time. There's only so many times that RVD can kick Kurt Angle in the face and make him bleed before you say, "Hey, Rob, try not to kick people in the face anymore, OK?" Yeah, he's slowed down conciderably, but he's also injured alot less people (except HHH).


    It's why a WWE cruiserweight division will never work as well in WWE as it did in WCW. WCW would allow variety, WWE will not. The cruiserweights still do some flashy moves, but 90% of their matches is the same punch/kick crap that you see from Triple H and Undertaker.


And most of the WCW cruiserweight division outside of the few years of Dean/Jericho/Eddie/Rey was spot spot spot spot spot spot. There was no psychology, no transition. Just like the TNA X-Division especially early on. Who can hit the most spots in the shortest amount of time? It's neat to watch, but ultimately unfulfilling.


    It's why the idea of Low-Ki entering WWE, even though many feel WWE should hire him, is ridiculous. Because he'll just end up like a Yoshihiro Tajiri. He will quickly be told to tone down his style, regardless of how over he is


So overness is the judge of what styles wrestling work? Well if that's true then shouldn't everybody brawl then anyway? After all, it works for Undertaker, Brock, Rock, Austin, Foley, even HHH, heck even Kurt and Benoit brawl. No IF he'd be asked to tone down his style and work a similar style it would be to make him more compatable with the greatest amount of wrestlers allowing for the greatest combination of possible good matches. And he'd only be asked to level with those considered to be his peers (lower-card, upper-card, main-event, heavyweight, cruiserweight, tag team, singles, high flyer, technical wrestler, brawler, etc.)


    because Undertaker (American badass that he is) will claim his kicks hurt too much. *coughpussycough*


Lance Storm wrote a great column on this one time. Stiffness does not equal good wresling. It's not incompatible with good wrestling, but it's not necaessary. These guys work 4 days a week 52 days a year, the very nature of their jobs makes it hard enough on their bodies, and you'd like them. What exactly is the point then of putting them in greater danger to their physical well being?

So, Undertaker is a "pussy" if he doesn't like to be ACTUALLY kicked in the face? Well, gee, I must be a pussy then too, becaue I'd rather work with a guy who knows how to pull his punches and kicks so as not too hurt me, then some guy who'd actually kick me because he's too sloppy/stupid/undisciplined to be able to put together a good match without putting his opponent in danger.


    I feel that the WWE style of punch/kick/punch worked well for when guys like Steve Austin and Triple H and Undertaker were main-eventing all the shows. But people are growing tired of it. They want more action.


The WWE main event style really hasn't changed much since Hogan won the title, and there's a reason for it. It's safe, it's capable of putting together a good match, and it's still over. It's reliant however on how well the wreslters pull it off, and how well the people in the ring peform both their characters and their moves.

Different is good, but it will only get you so far. Yes, particular guys and matches are over because they are "different", but that doesn't mean it's necessarily better. Rock/Hogan was over too and that was a slow WWE style brawl, that wasn't ANY different. In the case of Benoit/Angle, I think you're especially not getting the point. Benoit and Angle was over because their in match performance was good. It wasn't sloppy, it wasn't slow, it was very pure and the in match characters got it over. But I don't think it's the style that made the match. The crowds for the most part are dead for the ametuer style wrestling spots, and it isn't until the characters come out that they really get hyped up. From there, it doesn't matter if they're working a fast paced brawl or a spot fest, or a close stiff match, because it can still be exciting and fun either way. Why not go for the one that's safer?

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Tell you one thing: For a style that's supposedly "safer", an awful lot of guys are getting hurt. Why all the injuries?
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i was reading this topic, and gotta ask this?

what exactly is 6 seconds magic? if someone knows, please describe this move, cause by name alone it sounds cool.
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#13 Posted on
6 Seconds Magic: attacker puts a cross arm breaker on his opponent, only the opponent is standing up, not laying on the mat



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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by shea
    Tell you one thing: For a style that's supposedly "safer", an awful lot of guys are getting hurt. Why all the injuries?



The most common injuries are neck and knee injuries from the wear and tear of the schedule and the work, and from the fact that alot of those guys (especially Benoit, Rhyno and Edge) have moves in their movesets that put alot of undue stress on their already banged up necks.

When the Invasion happened, alot of WCW guys got hurt because they were working stupid reckless matches in rings that they weren't comfortable with.

HHH, of course, is a perfect example of "too much" isn't necessarily a good thing.

Trust me, there are alot more dangerous styles than the current WWE style, and most of the serious injuries that DO occur are wear and tear injuries or freak accidents.

While there may not be a marked increase in serious injuries if styles were suited to the individual wrestler, you would see alot more minor injuries among the sloppier workers, the workers working in matches with serious style clashes, and just over all as some of the more expansive and flashy styles that many of the workers who are told to tone down their styles prefer are among the more dangerous.



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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    6 Seconds Magic: attacker puts a cross arm breaker on his opponent, only the opponent is standing up, not laying on the mat


If I recall correctly, the spot was taken from a Frank Shamrock match in UFC. Either one taps, or their shoulder gets dislocated fairly quickly.


Why all the injuries? Because either A) people are doing spots which wear down vital areas (People have been hounding Benoit for years to drop the flying headbutt, citing the damage that men like Dynamite Kid & Harley Race incurred) or B)straining the muscles to points where the tendons can no longer take the abuse. This often comes from people who use various drugs to enhance their physiques. While they experience greater muscle growth and strength, the tendons can't catch up. (See Triple H or Scott Steiner for examples)





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