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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.33
Pretty subpar show all around. I am still totally not buying Swagger as a face, and in no universe should Cesaro be jobbing to him.

Even Ambrose wasn't all that great tonight, even if it was fun to see him lay into Rollins and Kane with those chair shots. How long is he going to sell that 'injured' shoulder, anyway? Clearly it's not actually hurt or they wouldn't be putting so much stress on it every single week. Maybe they're just waiting for the next time Ambrose asks for a week off so he can come back more dangerous than ever (now that he has *two* fully functional arms).

The Divas 'match' made me sad that TNA may be folding, because this is the level of competition we get from Vince's idea of female wrestling; a 5-second tap out following 2 minutes of what happened on RAW, then followed by a Paige beatdown. I would get excited for Paige/AJ IV, but I know it's not going to be as good as it could be because Vince doesn't want the ladies showing off how much better they are than his slow, roided-up 'hosses'.

At the same time, we're probably better off getting a 5-second match considering her opponent was another one of those talentless Total Divas. Worst idea Vince ever had, somewhere below his bodybuilding and football leagues. At least those didn't crossover into the real shows.

The only redeeming point of the night was Jericho and Rowan, and they were able to give it a feel of importance by putting Rowan's ability to be at ringside at play. Rowan might not be as awesome as Luke Harper but he's definitely improved greatly since we first saw the Wyatts. Jericho won, so Rowan will be banned from ringside. I imagine we'll see another match fairly soon against Harper with the same stipulation.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.64
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    Total Divas. Worst idea Vince ever had, somewhere below his bodybuilding and football leagues. At least those didn't crossover into the real shows.


I think you're confusing ideas that are bad with ideas you don't like. Total Divas has increased the WWE's profits, which puts it far above the XFL and WBF. There were definitely crossovers between the WBF and the WWF. The only reason that there wasn't a crossover between the XFL and WWE was because the XFL folded so quickly. There was rumored to be another Wrestlemania Football vs Wrestling battle royal in the works.
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#3 Posted on
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    I am still totally not buying Swagger as a face, and in no universe should Cesaro be jobbing to him.


I see it as "If we can't get Swagger over, we'll get the anklelock over." If Cesaro hadn't tried the left footed kick to the face he would've won.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.33
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
      Total Divas. Worst idea Vince ever had, somewhere below his bodybuilding and football leagues. At least those didn't crossover into the real shows.


    I think you're confusing ideas that are bad with ideas you don't like. Total Divas has increased the WWE's profits, which puts it far above the XFL and WBF. There were definitely crossovers between the WBF and the WWF. The only reason that there wasn't a crossover between the XFL and WWE was because the XFL folded so quickly. There was rumored to be another Wrestlemania Football vs Wrestling battle royal in the works.


It might be profitable for now, yes, but it's totally watering down a Divas division that for a little while actually had some decent talent and wasn't just a bathroom break. Now the Divas division is a total joke and is flooded with a bunch of glorified models who couldn't wrestle their way out of a wet paper bag. Reality TV shows don't generally have that long of a shelf life, and I'm willing to bet he'll keep trying to push this shitty show long after people have stopped watching.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian

    Now the Divas division is a total joke and is flooded with a bunch of glorified models who couldn't wrestle their way out of a wet paper bag.

The only Diva who has been added to the roster since Total Divas is Eva Marie. Everyone else was already in the division, so I'm not sure how you can blame Total Divas for watering down the division. Maybe their pushes have increased, but The Bellas have improved in the ring and Natalya and Naomi are pretty good.


    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    Reality TV shows don't generally have that long of a shelf life, and I'm willing to bet he'll keep trying to push this shitty show long after people have stopped watching.

But if people stop watching, E! will stop carrying it. They could put it on the WWE Network, but in that case, I don't think it would be pushed as hard.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.34
Man the Diva's division feel apart around 2005-06. That was when the women who helped support the "Golden Age" of women's wrestling started leaving the company. Trish and Lita both retired around that time, Jacqueline, Ivory, Molly Holly had all left by then also and Mickie James would follow. At the same time we got the rise of Candice Michelle, The Raw Diva Search, Melina (who was a terrible botch-tastic wrestler), etc as the new age.

Women who could wrestle like Beth Phoenix had to carry pretty much every Diva that was left on the roster because you'd have people like Maria or early Alicia Fox who only trained for a very short time before being put on camera. Proven grapplers like Victoria had to look like a joke to put over a Kelly Kelly as the winds of change were evident. Also Fit Finlay who had a major hand in crafting the Golden Age after coming to WWE in early 2000 took a more prominent onscreen role so working with the Divas went to less capable hands.

I think Vince's reasoning for taking a chance with young models and trying to make them WWE wrestlers was because that was what Trish essentially was. He wanted to recapture that and felt he could do that with anyone, but Trish was an exception and was a natural to the craft. Plus she had a lot of great female talent around her to help carry the division that all had a love for the business.

Right now is an interesting time for the Diva's division because we see women coming up that actually have a love for the game (Paige, Emma, Bayley, A.J.) women with wrestling in their blood (Natalya, Charlotte) women who are strong athletes that developed a love for wrestling while being employed (Naomi) and your models (Eva marie, Cameron). Follow that with The Bellas actually improving in ring over the past year along with Alicia Fox and Stephanie McMahon playing alpha bitch and multiple angles going on I think things will improve greatly for interest in the Division.

I did not mean to make this post a history rant....



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.64
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    It might be profitable for now, yes, but it's totally watering down a Divas division that for a little while actually had some decent talent and wasn't just a bathroom break. Now the Divas division is a total joke and is flooded with a bunch of glorified models who couldn't wrestle their way out of a wet paper bag. Reality TV shows don't generally have that long of a shelf life, and I'm willing to bet he'll keep trying to push this shitty show long after people have stopped watching.


As others have already pointed out, the diva's division was "watered down" long before Total Divas came into existence. If anything Total Divas is helping the division by forcing them to have some storyline or another going at all times to help promote the show.

And I'm not sure where you got the idea that reality TV shows don't generally have a long shelf life. Real Housewives of Orange County has had 9 seasons. The other Real Housewives shows have aired a total of 26 seasons, with three of them (NYC, Atlanta, and New Jersey) each having aired 6 seasons. Sure, there are plenty of reality shows that folded after a season or two, but the same thing can be said for professional wrestling.

I've always been under the impression that Vince McMahon secretly hates wrestling. He only got into the business to show up the father who abandoned him, and by the time he got the ultimate revenge by taking his father's company from him, he had so much invested in the business that he couldn't get out. I think Vince would love it for something like Total Divas or Tuesday Night Titans to take off and for wrestling to become nothing more than an advertising venue for his other projects.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12
    Originally posted by InVerse
    I've always been under the impression that Vince McMahon secretly hates wrestling. He only got into the business to show up the father who abandoned him, and by the time he got the ultimate revenge by taking his father's company from him, he had so much invested in the business that he couldn't get out. I think Vince would love it for something like Total Divas or Tuesday Night Titans to take off and for wrestling to become nothing more than an advertising venue for his other projects.



I don't think Vince would be the huge workaholic and hardass boss that he is if this was true.





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#9 Posted on
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
      Originally posted by InVerse
        Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
        Total Divas. Worst idea Vince ever had, somewhere below his bodybuilding and football leagues. At least those didn't crossover into the real shows.


      I think you're confusing ideas that are bad with ideas you don't like. Total Divas has increased the WWE's profits, which puts it far above the XFL and WBF. There were definitely crossovers between the WBF and the WWF. The only reason that there wasn't a crossover between the XFL and WWE was because the XFL folded so quickly. There was rumored to be another Wrestlemania Football vs Wrestling battle royal in the works.


    It might be profitable for now, yes, but it's totally watering down a Divas division that for a little while actually had some decent talent and wasn't just a bathroom break. Now the Divas division is a total joke and is flooded with a bunch of glorified models who couldn't wrestle their way out of a wet paper bag. Reality TV shows don't generally have that long of a shelf life, and I'm willing to bet he'll keep trying to push this shitty show long after people have stopped watching.


Way, way off. If anything, "Total Divas" is helping to get the Divas division more attention and a bigger spotlight on TV. It's expanded interest in not only those women, but also in other stars that show up on it. It's the only reason my sisters know who "Daniel Bryan" is, and although anecdotal, it's that kind of mainstream exposure that's invaluable in the long run.

In the short term, it's a success on every viable metric. And it reaches an audience WWE doesn't reach with its traditional programming.

You don't like "Total Divas," but like someone else said, that doesn't mean it's a bad idea. It's like saying reality shows as a format are a bad idea even though it's the thing that's kept most cable television networks alive the last ten years. Sure, you HATE it, but that doesn't mean that it's not a valuable commodity, financially or otherwise.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.04
Forgetting all the other completely true stuff, I just wonder how The Divas Lament could possibly come up after a segment where a non-TD heroine squashed a TD in ten seconds to set up an attack by another non-TD heroine in one of the more Intense And Serious Real Combatants heat angles they've done with a women's feud in forevs.

Probably the best thing Paige has done on main TV too. "Call me when you're feelin' better!"

Now Cesaro, that's bordering on pure travesty. How did we get from there to ... this.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.33
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Forgetting all the other completely true stuff, I just wonder how The Divas Lament could possibly come up after a segment where a non-TD heroine squashed a TD in ten seconds to set up an attack by another non-TD heroine in one of the more Intense And Serious Real Combatants heat angles they've done with a women's feud in forevs.

    Probably the best thing Paige has done on main TV too. "Call me when you're feelin' better!"

    Now Cesaro, that's bordering on pure travesty. How did we get from there to ... this.


I've been kinda cranky about the Divas for awhile now. I suppose a total squash of a Total Diva is better than expecting her to actually wrestle, I'm just sad that we don't get real women's matches on non-PPVs. AJ could have wrestled a good if quick match with one of the talented ones then still have done all the Paige stuff. You do make a valid point tho.

I just hope Paige/AJ IV is a real barnburner and they at least try to get up to the same level as we see in the Knockout division.

In non-Diva discussion, yeah, I have no idea what the hell they're doing with Cesaro. They acted like they were going to push him with the Battle Royal, then suddenly they had no idea what to do with him so they started jobbing him left and right, killing whatever heat he had. He still puts out great matches, 'Creative' just can't figure out what he should be doing. I'd love to see him in a 'hardcore' feud, his No-DQ match against Amrbose was probably the Match of the Month.
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