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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
I only caught the last hour or so, but I was pretty pleased with what I saw. Was glad that the first Smackdown I tuned into for several weeks was actually worth watching, which has been a rarity as of late on this show.

The very first thing I saw was Rusev coming out to absolutely squash Xavier Woods, who came out to patriotic music and an all red white and blue outfit. I can only assume it was a total squash, because I walked out of the room for a minute and when I came back the match was already over. Meh.

Next up was a real match, a Triple Threat for the Intercontinental Title between RVD, Cesaro and BNB. RVD seems to be at his best in this sort of match, where he can concentrate on hitting his high spots and not worry as much about the flow. Cesaro also looked pretty impressive, though all three men got to spend some time on top. It ended with a series of finishers, as RVD hit the Five Star on Cesaro only to stand up and get a Bullhammer to the face. Barrett had some bad news for Heyman, who looked pretty pissed that his guy lost. Speaking of, I love Heyman on guest commentary, he's a lot better than he used to be when he was doing play by play.

After the Triple Threat match, we got to see Bray Wyatt lurking in the darkness, talking about how Cena killed and buried him but he has been reborn, and is ready to lead his flock into a new era. Apparently Bray got hit so hard he thought it was a Buried Alive match? Pretty decent promo and it showed that Wyatt's character really isn't hurt much if at all by losing the feud. Wrestlin' Charles Manson is still here to stay.

Next up was one of the best Divas matches I've seen in awhile, Natalya versus Alicia Fox. Fox is tremendously entertaining in her 'crazy bitch' character, though I wonder where they plan on taking it from here. Another match against Paige? Maybe she'll challenge Flair's niece for the NXT Women's Belt? Three way dance? As long as we keep getting entertaining Divas matches and not crap you have to watch Total Divas to understand, I'm fine any way they take it.

Skipped the recap of Daniel Bryan/Brie/Stephanie, because I've actually been watching.

Bo Dallas had a fun and amusing match against Santino, probably the most entertaining match I've seen from him ever. Bo did his 'victory lap' after his first offensive move, then Santino jumped out to celebrate himself after a couple crisp arm drags. Bo didn't take kindly to that and clotheslined him in the middle of their THIRD handshake. To the surprise of absolutely no one, Bo doesn't get his first loss here.

Big Show cuts a promo where he talks about how he used to get picked on at school. Talk about bullying a dragon ... though if this is part of their anti-bullying campaign, I have to wonder if the message of 'get that asshole in a corner and punch his lights out' is the best of ideas ... that's a lot easier to do if they're picking on you because you're huge, than if they're picking on you because you're the skinny geeky kid.

Big Show vs Orton was meh, but then, it was a Big Show match. The big guy seems to be getting slower and slower; has he been nursing an injury or something, and that's why he hasn't been on TV much? Either way, it ends with a screwjob when THAT TRAITOR Seth Rollins came out to rescue Orton and HHH from getting a double chokeslam. Afterwards, the New Evolution beat down the Big Show and Rollins curbstomps Show's head onto a steel chair.

No idea what happened up until the Rusev squash, but I enjoyed what I saw. Here's hoping WWE is planning on delivering shows that are actually worth watching on Smackdown again, because it definitely has NOT been up to par even with RAW, which has itself been pretty lousy.



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Well Smackdown started off with Seth Rollins saying he doesn't owe any one an explanation on why he betrayed the Shield. Ziggler comes out and says he might get beat up and buried even further by TripleH but he calls Seth Rollins out and they have a pretty good match. They used to call Rollins' finisher "Peace of Mind" but now they just call it the curb stump. Hrmz. Maybe a name change is coming. Seth is still wearing his Shield Big Bossman gear and came out to TripleH's music. Seth was getting a ton of heat and "you sold out" chants but it could've just been pre-taped audio manipulation.

Uso's beat Rybaxel.

To be fair, Bray said he was "buried alive" because Cena FU-ed him into a box and pushed another big box over it so he couldn't get out.
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    Originally posted by oudom
    Well Smackdown started off with Seth Rollins saying he doesn't owe any one an explanation on why he betrayed the Shield. Ziggler comes out and says he might get beat up and buried even further by TripleH but he calls Seth Rollins out and they have a pretty good match. They used to call Rollins' finisher "Peace of Mind" but now they just call it the curb stump. Hrmz. Maybe a name change is coming. Seth is still wearing his Shield Big Bossman gear and came out to TripleH's music. Seth was getting a ton of heat and "you sold out" chants but it could've just been pre-taped audio manipulation.

    Uso's beat Rybaxel.

    To be fair, Bray said he was "buried alive" because Cena FU-ed him into a box and pushed another big box over it so he couldn't get out.


Thanks for filling in the gaps of what I missed Pity, I missed a Ziggler match. He's always entertaining.

I don't have the Network so I didn't catch Payback. I hadn't realized that Cena took a page out of Mankind's Empty Arena Match playbook and used boxes to help pin Bray Wyatt for the 10-count (for those who don't remember, Mankind used a forklift to pin the Rock underneath a stack of wooden pallets, then stood on top of them for the 3-count), now his promo makes much more sense, lol.

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
So, we are going with the Austin 2001 Invasion heel turn of "I don't have to explain my actions to you." That was kinda stupid then and stupider now. Listen, if you want him to turn on Shield fine. Yet, he doesn't need HHH to be the one that caused it. Evolution could have easily have fallen apart and then Rollins turns on them when they face the Wyatt family or someone other than HHH and Orton. Throw Rollins into the Wyatt family.

Its been almost a year of this shit. Move on. Push Ziggler as a heel, stop shoving NXT kids in there with shitty gimmicks and build the mid-card without jobbing it out. Give Cesaro more time if he is going to be champ. Just do something other than this. The Motley Fool had a great article about the WWE. In it they call for Vince, Step or HHH to move from creative. One of them has to go and be the business face of the WWE and that is it. The current guy in the job doesn't seem to be getting it done. I doubt Vince will give up creative, but either Steph or HHH or both need to. They both hog up screen time and at times are killing the product.

(edited by lotjx on 7.6.14 2252)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.75
HHH seemed to have the role last night of evil manager to Seth. He spoke highly of him (and despite of what you, I and others think, the 'universe' listens to HHH) and Rollins did the rest, made himself look good out there.

I can live with no explanation at this point, because 1-I'm sure it's a simple one anyways (money, title shots, etc) and 2- It's much better when he goes toe to toe with the remaining members and then reveals it.

Why the fuck would he join the Wyatts anyways. Because he has long hair and a beard? No, this is much better.

The NXT kids and their gimmicks are all doing fine. Bo is fun to watch. Rose is alright so far, Rusev is getting better by the week (the ceremony on Raw cracked me up) and the ultimate NXT gimmick, the Wyatts is a near-fucking main event. What do you want??

Both Steph and HHH have been killing it in their seperate roles the past year. They have not hogged the spotlight in the way you seem to feel. They have helped advance stories and made others look better while doing so.

Smackdown: The triple threat was good and I loved the finish. That bullhammer came out of nowhere.
Btw, wtf is up with Cesaro's silly walk to the ring.

Ziggler and Rollins having a match is always fun to watch since they'll sell anything.

I did zone out for the Big Show/Orton match. I like Orton in the ring but sorry, Show just bores me these days.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.41

    I can live with no explanation at this point, because 1-I'm sure it's a simple one anyways (money, title shots, etc) and 2- It's much better when he goes toe to toe with the remaining members and then reveals it.


Maybe also 3) they're not going to advance a major story like that on SmackDown! when they don't need to. Maybe we'll get it on Monday.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.04
    Originally posted by lotjx
    In it they call for Vince, Step or HHH to move from creative. One of them has to go and be the business face of the WWE and that is it.


Great news. Stephanie already did that. http://the-w.com/steph-gets-a-new-title
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.49
Rollins joining the Wyatt Family, a group made up of one upper carder that is doing pretty well and two jobbers is going to get him more over than teaming with two of the three most recognizable guys in the company?

Why don't we just surpass the Wyatt Family and put Rollins in the real dominant force in the WWE. We're a four man baaaaand.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.97
    Originally posted by Quezzy

    Why don't we just surpass the Wyatt Family and put Rollins in the real dominant force in the WWE. We're a four man baaaaand.


That'd make them 4½MB, what with Hornswoggle.
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I just threw the Wyatt family out there for the sake of throwing it out there. I could see Bray turning him and using him against Cena and Shield. Why not go it out alone? Why not have him come out and say he did what he did for himself. Evolution is dead and its time for bigger things like the World title. That is a better explanation than no explanation.

Here is the thing about Smackdown, it needs to start being a somewhat big deal again. There needs to be a reason to watch this show. WWE needs to re-invest in all of their shows and Smackdown is at the top of my list. Smackdown at times did move storylines and had big title changes. WWE can't rely on Raw and sure as hell can't rely on the Network to peak interest. They have to give people a reason not to check the spoilers. Rollins explanation would have been something instead of just punting to Raw or never getting explained at all.

They are fucked with Steph being now the Brand manager. The point remains, they need to leave TV and creative to focus on the real business end of things with this company.

(edited by lotjx on 8.6.14 1703)


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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Why not go it out alone? Why not have him come out and say he did what he did for himself.


That would make no sense whatsoever. The only way the story works is if Rollins has better prospects without the Shield than with them, and the only way he has that is if he has Triple H's backing. If he turned on The Shield without being aligned with Triple H why would he ever be granted a World Title shot? What would he have to gain? He'd look like a complete idiot turning on his partners and then having both The Shield and Triple H/Evolution as enemies.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    Here is the thing about Smackdown, it needs to start being a somewhat big deal again.


Why does it? They've just signed their new TV deal. If they were ever interested in making Smackdown a big deal again it would have been over the last year to help their bargaining power with the networks. The fact they didn't makes it pretty clear where they see Smackdown in their list of priorities.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.20
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Rollins joining the Wyatt Family, a group made up of one upper carder that is doing pretty well and two jobbers is going to get him more over than teaming with two of the three most recognizable guys in the company?
While not an upper carder, I would not refer to Luke Harper as a 'jobber'. He just hasn't had many singles matches against anyone not named Bryan or Cena.




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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.04
    Originally posted by lotjx
    The point remains, they need to leave TV and creative to focus on the real business end of things with this company.


Stephanie McMahon left creative to focus on the business end of things with this company.

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Why don't we just surpass the Wyatt Family and put Rollins in the real dominant force in the WWE. We're a four man baaaaand.


I know the argument for splitting the Shield was there was no one else for them to feud with after they routed Evolution, but I would've liked to have seen them invent a few more challenges before the split. The turn would've meant even more if we'd gotten to see them be the team of justice and brotherhood for more than two months. They only wrestled the Wyatts on one PPV and that was before they were even full babyfaces. I wouldn't have especially cared to see the Ascension brought up to face them as in that rumor from a while back, but maybe get creative with some opponents. Orton could've teamed with some kind of Mark Henry and Big Show superheavypowers team pushed as the monsters they were in '11 and '12. If Bad News Barrett wasn't catching on so well all of a sudden doing his thing, I would've even put Wade and Ryback and Axel back in armbands and hyped Shield vs. Nexus.

Or, ooh, create some kind of Anti-Shield designed to be their true mirrors in life formed to destroy them by replicating their tactics a la the Xavier Protocols, like the architect Dolph Ziggler, the lunatic fringe The Miz, and, um, Brodus Clay.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.22
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    I know the argument for splitting the Shield was there was no one else for them to feud with after they routed Evolution, but I would've liked to have seen them invent a few more challenges before the split. The turn would've meant even more if we'd gotten to see them be the team of justice and brotherhood for more than two months. They only wrestled the Wyatts on one PPV and that was before they were even full babyfaces. I wouldn't have especially cared to see the Ascension brought up to face them as in that rumor from a while back, but maybe get creative with some opponents. Orton could've teamed with some kind of Mark Henry and Big Show superheavypowers team pushed as the monsters they were in '11 and '12. If Bad News Barrett wasn't catching on so well all of a sudden doing his thing, I would've even put Wade and Ryback and Axel back in armbands and hyped Shield vs. Nexus.

    Or, ooh, create some kind of Anti-Shield designed to be their true mirrors in life formed to destroy them by replicating their tactics a la the Xavier Protocols, like the architect Dolph Ziggler, the lunatic fringe The Miz, and, um, Brodus Clay.


It's really too bad that Triple H doesn't have access to some kind of developmental territory where they could have brought up some new three man team to kill the Shield in singles matches until they finally get a 3 on 3 match at Summerslam or something where they can fight together as a team and overcome the challenge.

Really too bad.
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I think a big part of what motivated Rollins' turn was them looking at the calendar, realizing it was June, and that they needed a "June Surprise" of some kind. I don't understand why they couldn't just B.S. some good explanation for Rollins' actions on Monday.

Maybe Rollins wanted to hold the team together, but didn't like it when they turned face. I'd buy that. Maybe Rollins just saw Batista quit and thought, "Hey, now's a good time to suck up to the boss."

It is weird that they would take something that was working like Face Shield and not see that they could have it both ways. The Shield could stick together and Reigns could have his singles push to go along with that. In fact, they could all have their singles pushes.

In fact, looking back on it, as great as the matches were, it's kind of stupid to have a group that only primarily wrestles in 6-man tag matches anyway since there's no 6-man division. I feel like there was a good "Together, But Separate" Shield stage before any of them turned heel that they could have done.


But, whatever. At least something in the dynamic changed and I'm interested to see if it does good things for all three, benefits only one of them, or kills them all dead. I think they're all talented enough individually to get something out of it.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.56
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    It is weird that they would take something that was working like Face Shield and not see that they could have it both ways. The Shield could stick together and Reigns could have his singles push to go along with that. In fact, they could all have their singles pushes.

    In fact, looking back on it, as great as the matches were, it's kind of stupid to have a group that only primarily wrestles in 6-man tag matches anyway since there's no 6-man division. I feel like there was a good "Together, But Separate" Shield stage before any of them turned heel that they could have done.
That's the part that bugs me about it. Well, one of the two parts, at least. They should have explored the dynamic of three affiliated guys working on singles goals for at least a little bit, becasue it's something that (unlike the shocking heel turn) isn't done very often. And why do it now so close to a nautral event that could have really started a turn, a Money In The Bank match (maybe even two!) for the (possibly vacant!) WWE Undisputed World Heavyweight Title, the ultimate prize that would actually make sense to turn on people over? The Shield as half/three-sevenths of a MITB match starting off working together, only to devolve into a Treasure of Sierra Madre/Three Men and a Comic Book situation would have been great, and could have had the turn driven by the Shield themselves and not Another Evil Boss. HHH still could have claimed victory as the Cerebral Assassin, too, by saying he put the three of them into that match when he realized the only thing that could beat The Shield was The Shield.*

The other part is, this ending reinforces the idea that HHH (and Stephanie) can never, ever, ever lose. Beat HHH and then Orton/Batista in the same night to win the title? Stephanie sends out a known rapist and attempted murderer to break your neck and make you forfeit the title. Soundly thrash Evolution two PPVs in a row, culminating with a clean sweep? HHH just buys one of you the next night. They've set up a scenario where the only person who can beat HHH or Stephanie is Vince and the only people who can beat Vince are HHH or Stephanie. Who cares about that?


*HHH saying "The only thing that could beat The Shield is The Shield!" and then bringing out the Age of Abrockalypse Shield (the Shield that formed in an alternate WWE Universe where Lesnar never left) would also be acceptable. Preferable, even. For all my complaints about HHH, I'd be OK if he developed dimension-hopping powers.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    I think a big part of what motivated Rollins' turn was them looking at the calendar, realizing it was June, and that they needed a "June Surprise" of some kind. I don't understand why they couldn't just B.S. some good explanation for Rollins' actions on Monday.


As others have stated, just because they didn't trot out a BS excuse on Smackdown doesn't mean they're not doing it. I'm sure we'll get more than what was said on Smackdown. Something along the lines of either "you guys were in it for yourself, so I had to do the same thing" or "you guys changed, man -- weren't about justice any more. We were about sucking up to people like [insert names] and these fans.

I know people have suggested bringing Cena in as a "third man" for six-man tags, and that would actually fit the bill perfectly. "Look -- you're even teaming with Cena now! What have you become?"

    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    And why do it now so close to a nautral event that could have really started a turn, a Money In The Bank match (maybe even two!) for the (possibly vacant!) WWE Undisputed World Heavyweight Title, the ultimate prize that would actually make sense to turn on people over? The Shield as half/three-sevenths of a MITB match starting off working together, only to devolve into a Treasure of Sierra Madre/Three Men and a Comic Book situation would have been great, and could have had the turn driven by the Shield themselves and not Another Evil Boss.


Because as much as people like to sports-hate on HHH, he gives a rub. Rollins is That Much More Important now because he not only left The Shield, but he also got hand-picked for the new Evolution (or at least by the CEO).

And there's a perfect scenario for MITB waiting -- Reigns and Ambrose win their qualifying matches, then cut a promo talking about how they can't wait for Rollins to win so they can get their hands on him. So he ... goes out and gets intentionally DQed. "I don't need a MITB match to get a title shot. I'm part of Evolution/with HHH -- I can get one whenever I need."

In-fighting during a MITB would be more of a slow boil start, which is obviously not what was wanted by creative here. And to be honest, they've been DOING a slow boil for a while. They just turned it down to a simmer for a bit ... and it turns out people were watching the wrong pot.

(edited by Hokienautic on 9.6.14 0959)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.04
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    *HHH saying "The only thing that could beat The Shield is The Shield!" and then bringing out the Age of Abrockalypse Shield (the Shield that formed in an alternate WWE Universe where Lesnar never left) would also be acceptable. Preferable, even. For all my complaints about HHH, I'd be OK if he developed dimension-hopping powers.


Titan: Ages of Shield would definitely fit your WWE folding timeline theory. I could see the following groups emerging from the crowd, underneath the ring, and assorted Broodholes to meet in an Anchorman-esque cataclysmic battle. I now present to you my worst ever post, The Age of Abrockalypse: Crisis On Infinite Shields.

2013 - architect Bo Dallas, powerhouse Rusev, lunatic fringe Adam Rose

2011 - architect Fandango, powerhouse Brodus Clay, lunatic fringe Ethan Carter III

2010 (Shield Genesis of McGillicutty) - architect Kaval, powerhouse Alex Riley, lunatic fringe Husky Harris

2009 - lunatic fringe Wade Barrett, powerhouse Ryback, architect Daniel Bryan (fired on debut) Justin Gabriel

2008 - architect Ted DiBiase Jr, lunatic fringe Cody Rhodes, powerhouse Manu

2007 - architect Evan Bourne, powerhouse Harry Smith, lunatic fringe Colt Cabana

2006 - architect MVP, powerhouse Bobby Lashley, lunatic fringe Kenny King Kennedy

2005 (Spirit Shield) - architect Kenny Dykstra, powerhouse Great Khali, lunatic fringe CM Punk

2004 - architect Johnny Nitro, powerhouse Gene Snitsky, lunatic fringe Eugene

2003 - architect Paul London, lunatic fringe Rene Dupree, powerhouse Nathan Jones

2002 - architect Randy Orton, powerhouse Dave Batista, lunatic fringe John Cena

2001 - powerhouse Booker T, architect Billy Kidman, lunatic fringe Buff Bagwell

2001B - architect Josh Mathews, lunatic fringe Maven, powerhouse Chris Nowinski

2000 - architect Eddie Guerrero, lunatic fringe Chris Jericho, powerhouse lunatic fringe Chris Benoit

1999 - powerhouse Test, architect Jeff Hardy, lunatic fringe Kurt Angle

1998 - lunatic fringe Edge, architect Christian, powerhouse Gangrel

1996 - lunatic fringe Mankind, powerhouse Rocky Maivia, architect The Ringmaster

1995 - architect Skip, powerhouse Ahmed Johnson, lunatic fringe Waylon Mercy

1993 - lunatic fringe Razor Ramon, powerhouse Diesel, architect 1-2-3 Kid

1991 - lunatic fringe Ric Flair, powerhouse Sid Justice, architect The Dragon

1988 - architect Shawn Michaels, powerhouse Ultimate Warrior, lunatic fringe Curt Hennig

1986 (Shield Stampede) - architect Bret Hart, powerhouse Davey Boy Smith, lunatic fringe Dynamite Kid

1984 - lunatic fringe Michael Hayes, powerhouse Terry Gordy, architect Buddy Roberts
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For the purposes of this angle, I would have The Shield That Never Was be Architect Alex Shelley, Samoan Powerhouse Samoa Joe and Wild Card Emo Hoodie-Wearing AJ Styles. Also, an even more evil Jeff Jarrett would escape into our timeline at the conclusion of SummerSlam.
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