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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.87
On the young talent: Look back to '02. The WCW plan had failed miserably. Trip was beginning his Reign of Terror. The NWO had been brought back, and failed miserably, capped off my the infamous July 8th RAW from Philly, where both the Gayda incident and the Nash "supersecret signal decoded" incident occurred. Although this should have been the bottoming out point, Katie Vick would be brought to life a few months later. In this atmosphere, Vince did bring up the young wrestlers. Lesnar came in dominated, threw a hissy fit, left. In addition to him: Cena, Orton, Batista and Benjamin arrived on the scene. Although all 4 had there gimmicks redone (Benjamin the least, the other 3 dramatically) in the 3 year time frame, all four are in prominent spots on the Mania card this year. Whether these guys are talented is one thing or the right guys to be pushed another, but, after years in the wildeness where the cry was "Why aren't the young wrestlers getting pushed", they now are. This batch is better than the late 90's brand of Test, A-Train etc., and, most importantly, at least its not Nathan Jones main eventing Mania. Two years ago, that seemed more likely than Batista main eventing.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    On the young talent: Look back to '02. The WCW plan had failed miserably. Trip was beginning his Reign of Terror. The NWO had been brought back, and failed miserably, capped off my the infamous July 8th RAW from Philly, where both the Gayda incident and the Nash "supersecret signal decoded" incident occurred. Although this should have been the bottoming out point, Katie Vick would be brought to life a few months later. In this atmosphere, Vince did bring up the young wrestlers. Lesnar came in dominated, threw a hissy fit, left. In addition to him: Cena, Orton, Batista and Benjamin arrived on the scene. Although all 4 had there gimmicks redone (Benjamin the least, the other 3 dramatically) in the 3 year time frame, all four are in prominent spots on the Mania card this year. Whether these guys are talented is one thing or the right guys to be pushed another, but, after years in the wildeness where the cry was "Why aren't the young wrestlers getting pushed", they now are. This batch is better than the late 90's brand of Test, A-Train etc., and, most importantly, at least its not Nathan Jones main eventing Mania. Two years ago, that seemed more likely than Batista main eventing.


True. You can't complain that new wrestlers aren't being pushed, and then when they are, complain that the top guys are too green. I mean, you can, and sure there is a middle ground somewhere, but I vastly prefer this over keeping old men in top positions forever.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.75
But complaining is what the internet is for? That, and porn.

More seriously, the middle ground in between guys like me that are too-old-now, and the too-green-guys, was washed away in the rash of more talented middle card guys that were released a few months back.

One comment on the nepotism issue - David Flair.

There always will be guys deserving a push because they consistently have solid ringwork (RVD, Paul London), and then guys who deserve more TV time because they are more entertaining on the mic (Regal, Christian) than their ringwork shows.

If these guys don't get their time, people want to blame whoever does get the time (HHH).

But when you factor in that very few performers do both very well (Flair a few years back, Eddie, Kurt for a while, Jericho), its really no wonder that new guys rarely get to show both sides - Eugene being an exception.

Originally posted by redsoxnation
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...Although this should have been the bottoming out point, Katie Vick would be brought to life a few months later.
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you're missing the fun in Katie Vick was not "brought to life", but the whole point of the angle was that she was abused after her death...

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Since: 8.6.02
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
Explain to me how you can tell by watching that Randy Orton loves the business more than Goldberg did. You don't know him, and so far all the dirtsheets have revealed is that he does coke and shits in girls' gym bags when they don't want to have sex with him. He is getting a reputation for being too into the life, and the Torch this week quoted a wrestler, obviously anonymous, as saying Orton would have been fired if he was "anyone else". And yet we know that somehow, he is this passionate lover of all things wrestling? Maybe he likes being on TV because it gets him girls, he wouldn't be the first person to pursue fame for that reason. Whether he leaves or gets fired, I don't see him turning into a cornerstone of the company and I don't see how based on his robotic repetition of lines you know he's passionate.

Left and never came back, I can't give you. That's more a matter of needing money than loving the business, however. However, since we're talking about superpushes of the common era, there aren't many examples. I stand by Taker and Brock since your "only did it for the money" and "headcase" arguments are no less subjective than my original thesis of "left because they did everything".

I'll give you Rock because the Rock is the Rock.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by too-old-now
    But complaining is what the internet is for? That, and porn.


That is probably the one of the most truthful statements I have read on this website. Thank you for starting my morning off with a laugh.




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Since: 16.8.04
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.88
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    >I'm willing to bet Randy Orton won't be around in five years. The biggest casualty of his overpush was Orton himself. I have no sympathy for him because I can't stand him and want him permanently off my television, but I won't blind myself to the fact that part of the reason for his failure was WWE's fault. They've doomed him. He has nowhere left to go. These rocket-to-the-moon pushes are short-sighted because you create guys that peak within a few years of their beginnings. Goldberg bailed. Brock Lesnar bailed. The Rock was gone before he turned thirty, but at least he made money while he was there. Now, with Orton winning last year and Cena likely sometime this year, we have to wait and see if they still want to bang up their bodies in five years when they've already accomplished everything there is to do in wrestling.

    I think when people reach their pinnacle professionally, it is only natural that they want to move on to other things. When you factor in how difficult the wrestling lifestyle is on the body, the mind, and the family of the performer it's really not hard to figure out why these people don't stick around for long.


    (edited by Hogan's My Dad on 26.3.05 2216)


It is also to do with people seeing what The Rock did using his wrestling to push himself in different directions. So insead of mid range TV shows or sports careers as pathways to movie stardom, some are choosing wrestling as exposure. I can see how many will have delusions of grandeur after their little Hollywood parodies.

20 years ago a wrestlers life was wrestling and making an ok living.Now with the $$$ available , a wrestler only needs to be hot for 5 years and they will have earned much more than Macho Man could ever imagine.Why bust your head for 20 years like Chris Benoit has , when you can have a ''career'' in 10?



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.25
Thanks for a great season, Pick of the Week fans...see you this fall at Planet Magic in Denmark, WI!

My take...here.



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