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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by CajunMan
    Anybody know when McMahon gets his day on Capitol Hill for hearings on steroids in wrestling? Is it still being investigated after the Benoit situation? Can you imagine Russo/Jarrett and McMahon sharing the same table? I'd like to be the dude in the middle.
Last I'd heard, baseball had so captured Waxman's fancy that wrestling was off the hook, Congress-wise.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.87
    Originally posted by CajunMan
    Anybody know when McMahon gets his day on Capitol Hill for hearings on steroids in wrestling? Is it still being investigated after the Benoit situation? Can you imagine Russo/Jarrett and McMahon sharing the same table? I'd like to be the dude in the middle.


Couldn't it be classified as just 'acting' ala Sly Stallone in Rambo? Isn't that one of the main reasons for the 'E' in their name?

They have no anti trust deals that I know of, so unless they wanted to get the distributors I don't really know what the point would be other than more grandstanding. The case could be made that if you are going to bring in 'entertainers' then why not Stallone or question Edward Norton about his look in American History X?
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.87
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
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Come on. Are you telling me if Congress shut down the WWE completely that the culture would change?

I have a hard enough time with Congress getting mixed in with sports with Anti Trust laws, I certainly don't want them involved in fake fighting between half naked and sweaty men. What next singers and models about the heroin craze? Snoop Dogg about weed?

I'm not saying that there isn't a problem, but you have to draw the line on what we do on the Hill somewhere. I might be veering way off course, but government is already mixed up in to many things as it is I don't want their hands all over the entertainment world anymore than they already are.

What is really going to come out of this that we don't already know? Better yet what can they really do? Government testing? Then where do we go next? Testing for Lawyers, Accountants and Convenience Store Clerks?

If anything it's a law enforcement issue, but because it isn't surrounded by violence it is largely ignored. It looks better to bust up crack houses on the corner than a 'white collar' drug like steroids or pain pills.

'Dead Bodies' sounds like a great reason, but if it were such a hazard why no mass walkout? No mass strike in the industry? Why does nobody speak out until after they have made their money and have stepped away from the business after playing the game? They know the score. John Cena knows the score when he goes on Larry King to defend the industry and when he films these spots.

There comes a point where people have to become accountable for what they are doing. Government shouldn't have to hold our hand the whole way. I would much rather have them focus on the loss of mass jobs that are going overseas or the trade deficit than the tiny little world of professional wrestling.

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.94
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Come on. Are you telling me if Congress shut down the WWE completely that the culture would change?

Uh-oh. "The culture?" Warrior, is that you?

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I have a hard enough time with Congress getting mixed in with sports with Anti Trust laws, I certainly don't want them involved in fake fighting between half naked and sweaty men. What next singers and models about the heroin craze? Snoop Dogg about weed?

Well, erm, why not? You've got an unprecedented number of celebrities now across the board who are almost certainly on the juice or on growth hormone themselves. People are constantly complaining about how girls are being subjected to images of unsustainable, impossibly thin bodies, but y'know, it's not that easy to be a dude these days either. Young males are constantly inundated with images of muscular physiques, but where were all these six-packs twenty years ago, or fifty? When did that become a necessity in order to be a good-lookin' guy? Why do Will Smith, LL Cool J, and Brad Pitt have better bodies as they all hover around the age of forty than they had when they were in their twenties, and how many people do you know who can say that?

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I'm not saying that there isn't a problem,

Well that's a relief, cuz for a second there it sounded like that was what you were saying...

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    but you have to draw the line on what we do on the Hill somewhere. I might be veering way off course, but government is already mixed up in too many things as it is I don't want their hands all over the entertainment world anymore than they already are.

Well, ideally they'd be doing something more worthwhile, but it can't be a surprise to you that politicians like to grandstand and wave flares and create the impression they're doing something when they're actually not doing anything at all. That's hardly new. So as long as that's what they're going to be doing, if they can do it about something I care about (i.e., not baseball), I'm all for it.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    What is really going to come out of this that we don't already know? Better yet what can they really do? Government testing? Then where do we go next? Testing for Lawyers, Accountants and Convenience Store Clerks?


This is just an irrational, paranoid slippery slope argument now, like when people say if gays can marry, it'll one day be legal to marry ceramic goats.

As your frivolous examples go, at the very least I'll say that none of those people are role models for kids.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    If anything it's a law enforcement issue, but because it isn't surrounded by violence it is largely ignored. It looks better to bust up crack houses on the corner than a 'white collar' drug like steroids or pain pills.


It looks better, but it sure fuckin' ain't. You've got epidemic levels of kids on nice, legal, white-collar drugs that they don't need to be taking. Oh, but look, we nabbed a local crack dealer. Not his supplier, not the people who processed it into a useable form, not the people who paid for transport, because if we did that, some important people might get upset. But we managed to cut the tail off a snake. Meanwhile, your kid's attention/weight/mood problems can all be solved with drugs, some of which interact dangerously. Don't you think teaching kids that certain drugs are okay if you have a perscription has at least as much to do with government inteference (or more accurately, pharmaceutical companies' bank-rolling government's non-interference)? Congress can't do anything about crack-houses. They can't make street drugs more illegal. But if they get some much needed attention on wrestling, maybe some additional lives can be saved there.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    'Dead Bodies' sounds like a great reason, but if it were such a hazard why no mass walkout? No mass strike in the industry?

People who strike are generally unionized, and can anticipate having a job to come back to. They don't do this because in wrestling all the cards are held by the promotion. Hell, in today's wrestling environment, all the cards are pretty much held by one person.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Why does nobody speak out until after they have made their money and have stepped away from the business after playing the game?

I dunno, because they're selfish? Or maybe because a bunch of twenty-somethings generally don't have the wisdom and perspective to take principled stands on things, but when they're forty and have kids and think about their lives and reflect on dozens of dead friends, they realize they should say something?

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    They know the score. John Cena knows the score when he goes on Larry King to defend the industry and when he films these spots.

They know the score but like many people who live dangerously, they also don't believe it'll ever happen to them. But it does.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    There comes a point where people have to become accountable for what they are doing. Government shouldn't have to hold our hand the whole way.

No one is suggesting individuals be exempt from personal responsibility here, but a month or two of government attention along with the bells and whistles of a media circus might force changes beyond, say, a wellness policy that robs everyone of their coping mechanisms but keeps the exact same expectations with respect to their schedule, the physical demands of their job, etc. All we've got right now is a recipe for a generation of alcoholics, since that's all that left for them to use to cope and "more time off" isn't even being explored as possibility.



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