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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.29
So I'm not sure exactly what to think about the current Daily Show/RAW crossover. On the one hand, Jon Stewart KILLS it on the microphone, as one would expect... on the other, a tiny 52-year old comedian just punked out one of the top heels in pro wrestling. Well, OK, he made use of the convenient appearance of Orton...'s entrance music, and kicked a much bigger guy in the balls before running in terror. But since Rollins has apparently now assumed a portion of the Undertaker's magic powers and can interrupt the Moment of Zen at will, I'm sure there will be many more promos building up to what I sincerely hope is NOT Jon Stewart trying to actually wrestle... I really hope he's just a guest manager or referee.

Honestly, compared to the fare recently I think this was a pretty solid RAW. AJ returned, Bray Wyatt set a casket on fire to cast Summon Undertaker (silly Bray, his casting cost is four black, 2 colorless, not four red!), and there were lots more shenanigans with stealing the Intercontinental title back and forth. Ambrose walked in with it, during his match with Barrett R-Truth stole it, and got shaken down for it by Luke Harper, who in turn lost it during HIS match against Daniel Bryan to Ziggler. I'm not sure if he and D-Bry were eying each other across the ring or if Ziggler was supposed to be talking to the Intercontinental challengers ... hey, wait a minute...

Would they put Bryan in the ladder match? Honestly, having their most over face run with the #2 belt would finally give it some of its shine back, as long as its Booking Curse doesn't pass along to it. It does seem like the IC holder seems to always be booked to lose to challengers on RAW, just so they can build up the tension to the (usually successful) PPV defense.

WWE went ahead and condensed both my obligatory Steph promo and my obligatory Cena promo into the same segment, so I could happily tune out for the whole thing. Is it just me or is Axelmania actually getting over? I would be rather shocked if THIS is what finally gets Axel over, but then, look at what being a copy of the Miz did for Sandow.

Speaking of Sandow, ah, the Viagra commercial parody. That was rather entertaining, if childish. Vince does love his dick jokes. And Stewart's on the show, so why not go all in with the lowbrow humor.

They're still schizo with booking Orton. First Orton comes out to distract J&J and Rollins, so Stewart can kick him in the balls and hightail it out of there. Then in the main event, he grabs Roman Reign's leg so that Rollins can finally get a pin on Reigns (I think he's 1-2 against him now). I hope there's something really twisted and elaborate that Orton has planned for revenge, because doing all this just to lure him in for the perfect RKO outta NOWHERE doesn't make any sense ... which means it's probably what the WWE has planned.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.53
Who are we to question the plan that the Snake Gods have ordained for Orton?
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
JonStew was outstanding, with a better understanding of recent continuity than seemingly anyone on WWE TV (aside from Heyman, of course). When was the last time anyone mentioned *how* Seth won MITB?

Hey the women were taken seriously and their title match was treated thusly - there's a step in the right #GiveDivasAChance direction.

Uhm..was anyone else fixated on that sign during the opening Seth/Roman promo? The one that appeared to be Reigns' head atop a woman's...parts...?
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
I haven't watched in forever. Is that Jamie Noble behind Rollins in the segment where he's pretending to do Stewart's job?
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
I see a hog pen match in AJ's future. I don't think having a dusty finish and a match with mostly commercials is the best foot forward. Jon Stewart, I love him, but I am a little frightened on what the crowd will think at Mania. Once again, Cena makes someone a star due to how much the fans hate him.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.59
If Cena coming out every year and trying earnestly to enter the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal only to be pulled out of it is going to be a running gag, it may be the only funny On Air TV Character John Cena thing of the last, what, eight years? I kinda love it. Could probably do without the "gets pulled out of it to steamroll whichever secondary heel is super hot right now at Wrestlemania" part of it, but still, Cena coming out and delivering the same A(R)MBaR entry speech he tried to give last year was legit funny.

So, now we know: Stephanie won't even show ass for John f'n Cena. I'm sure some quarters will praise it as excellent mic work/character development, but she's outpacing even HHH in the "must go over every other character at all times in the most dominant way possible" stakes, and this was on a night where HHH fake fired the same guy he brutally buried 12 years ago and invented a completely made up and entirely new beef with the internet to go over the paying audience. There's good heeling and there's just refusing to ever get comeuppance under the guise of good heeling, and Stephanie interrupting everyone on the mic to get her points in because she's the actual boss has to fall into the latter camp.

(Side note, I'm also mad at Stephanie for going back to Andre being her childhood friend instead of Big Show being her childhood friend. This kind of damage to the timeline may require a WWE reboot soon after the many WWE Universes converge at Survivor Series to determine the New Core WWE Universe.)

How about that HHH, though? Did we just get "Sting wins because he gets help from a bunch of losers HHH bullied" as a possible finish?

Theory on Orton's plan: Rollins is a known teleporter. We haven't seen him do it much since the Shield broke up, but there's no reason for Orton to assume he still can't BAMF! around at will, making him arguably the single most difficult person in the WWE Universe to hit with an RKO. Orton is therefore playing the longest con his concussion and rage and snake venom filled mind can come up with to get Rollins to ask Orton to move into RKO range. This will culminate in a Wrestlemania match that literally takes place all over the arena with Rollins teleporting around to avoid Randy and Randy suddenly appearing out of nowhere to go for the RKO, only for Seth to teleport away. Like, literally, bell rings, Seth teleports out, Orton reappears in mid-air near him on the stage, then backstage, then the concession area, the announce table, everywhere, until Rollins makes the mistake of teleporting up to the rafters where Sting is staged and he distracts Seth for the second it takes for Orton to hit the RKO Out of Nowhere. *** 3/4

Jon Stewart was great, no getting around it. Knew the product better than most people running it. Got everything over, funny while still being a good scared host, clearly likes wrestling for what it is while realizing how silly it is (the only rational approach), hit a solid ball shot. But the key, the best part, the thing that needs to get him the most respect, is that he went into business for himself as a smark and noted that Rollins was better on the mic than Reigns. That was tremendous.

They should put a shock collar on the Big Dog and zap him everytime he makes that "Roman Reigns wry derision/Roman Reigns might be about to cry" face.

Axel was hilarious. I think I would have considered shelling out $10 to watch an actual Axel/Cena match at Wrestlemania (Wrestlemania interest level: still not worth $10) instead of having him get destroyed there. One suggestion for the Axe-Man: "Often imitated, never eliminated" is fantastic, but "Often imitated...nev-...never, often imitated, never thrown out of the Rumble!" would be more on-brand.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.20
The one-two punch of Stewart and Heyman makes me wish they could be on opposite sides of an angle. Stewart was struck and stuck the landing, but his Katzenjammer/Olsen Twins references age him as much as Lawler and JBL. Because, yeah, he's old. Nice cheap pop for the Jersey crowd too. He touched all the bases. Heyman was typically strong, especially with the mic trouble.

I don't get why Barrett is getting buried by the big IC angle. He's never looked better, he can talk for days, and he has a hot finisher. Why dogpile him with Truth and Harper and everyone else?

That main event, more than once, had me wishing the roles were reversed with Reigns as the Authority boy. Rollins has the path to a white-hot face turn right in front of him, and Reigns/Orton would be a more interesting angle. The supporting cast for the Authority also make me wish to see a new heel main-event stable emerge after Mania; Rollins deserves a better posse.

I'm buying Mania. For $10, it's not even a question. Even if the matches aren't the most inspiring, it'll be a spectacle for all the booking drama, especially the main event.





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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42

    He touched all the bases. Heyman was typically strong, especially with the mic trouble.


I watched that thinking the mic trouble was scripting, especially when the mic trouble happened. Wouldn't think that of just about anyone else, but that seems like a Heyman move. More credit to him if he thought it.

    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    The supporting cast for the Authority also make me wish to see a new heel main-event stable emerge after Mania; Rollins deserves a better posse.


And Reigns is going to need better challengers. They're going to be back to (mostly) monthly title defenses with Reigns as champion, and they need to line some people up. Diesel probably wouldn't have worked in any case, but Diesel versus King Mabel and Sid did him no favors. Rollins getting the win here suggests maybe he's first in line, but they need quantity (and not Big Show/Kane quantity) and don't have the depth here. A new posse - with maybe one of the face in that IC title mix who doesn't win turning on the Monday after RAW instead - would help.



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SchippeWreck
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.76
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    Would they put Bryan in the ladder match? Honestly, having their most over face run with the #2 belt would finally give it some of its shine back, as long as its Booking Curse doesn't pass along to it. It does seem like the IC holder seems to always be booked to lose to challengers on RAW, just so they can build up the tension to the (usually successful) PPV defense.

That certainly seems to be what they're doing. Barrett vs. Ambrose vs. Harper vs. Truth vs. Ziggler vs. Bryan should rule the school. I was personally hoping for Bryan vs. Harper one on one at Mania, so this is a suitable consolation prize.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
    Originally posted by Dawg
    I haven't watched in forever. Is that Jamie Noble behind Rollins in the segment where he's pretending to do Stewart's job?

That absolutely is the awesome Jamie Noble. He and Joey Mercury make up J & J Security, Seth's personal protection. They're on tv pretty much every week. They were even in a match back on 11/24 - Rollins/Noble/Mercury vs. Cena/Ziggler. Jamie Noble wrestling John Cena in the year 2014. It was...pretty great.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    But the key, the best part, the thing that needs to get him the most respect, is that he went into business for himself as a smark and noted that Rollins was better on the mic than Reigns.


I thought Stewart was outstanding, but he truly would've hit for the cycle if he'd gotten his last word out before the angry interruption kicked in. It really seemed like he was about to bring up the notion of Dean Ambrose in particular being screwed out of the briefcase by Kane. It was almost as if invoking that palimpsest of a storyline glitched the show and Raw itself, not Seth, began shouting over Jon.

After Smackdown I really wanted to believe that Daniel Bryan's involvement in the continental breakfast was tangential, that he wouldn't be involved in a 7-man schmozz ... for the Intercontinental Title ... with R-Truth. But here we are. What can one say? Yeah, Money In The Belt could be a spectacular match, but it would be spectacular without Bryan.

And yeah, it'd be cool/surreal/almost unfathomable if Cena and Bryan came out of Wrestlemania as the U.S. and IC champions, effectively turning the WWE World Heavyweight Championship into the WWECW title. But like. Come on. No Rumble direction, then being scheduled to put over Bray Wyatt at Fast Lane, instead being deputized to transfer his aura to Roman Reigns instead, then no real Mania program. At least with Sheamus or Ziggler there was something for him (and his fanbase) to sink their teeth into, whether it was the shared history or the artistic effort.

And if Bryan wins, Ambrose fails again. And if Ambrose wins, Bryan fails again. Good times.

Really cool dive, RR, but it's too late. The battle lines have been drawn. I guess I just hate you, bro. Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman are going to get cheered. The yearlong master plan is a flop. But the night after Mania should be pretty fun.

Save us, John Cena. Your time is STILL NOW.



    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Paige needs a partner to stop the Bellas, so we again reach the monthly event horizon of whether AJ is coming back or not. She had a neck injury, but I'm sure Dr. Amann would clear her.


Let's light it up. Even if the title isn't on the line, the fact that there's a women's tag match at Mania and the face team is the two great ladies everyone likes instead of Snooki and Maria Menounos has to be considered progress.
SchippeWreck
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.76
Looking at that photo made me finally realize that the true pain of John Cena's STF comes from his biceps crushing his opponent's ears. THAT'S why he never pulls back on the chin.

7-man schmozz? I only count six (Barrett, Ambrose, Harper, Truth, Ziggler, Bryan). Who's the seventh I'm forgetting?



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    7-man schmozz? I only count six (Barrett, Ambrose, Harper, Truth, Ziggler, Bryan). Who's the seventh I'm forgetting?


......................... me. [removes shirt, kicks over table, pantomimes belt-wearing]

Or I miscounted Bryan twice. Which btw would leave Sheamus to, what, win the battle royal?
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.59
Oh man, I totally did not pick up that Stewart was laying the ground for an Ambrose reference there. John Stewart: IWC Spokesman and New Voice of the Voiceless is truly the most undexpected, delightful turn of events. If they let him keep going, I bet he would have done two minutes on making Cesaro stop doing the Swing.

    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    7-man schmozz? I only count six (Barrett, Ambrose, Harper, Truth, Ziggler, Bryan). Who's the seventh I'm forgetting?
Little Jimmy?

So is this where Sheamus makes his return, running in and kicking over the ladder and then beating whoever does win the belt four weeks in a row before losing to him at Extreme Rules and then beating him at Payback and then losing four straight times to one of the other five before beating him at Money In The Bank?

I guess he could show up in the Battle Royal, but they have to be giving that to Mizdow, right? Like, if they get only a single thing right on the entire card, it's that Sandow gets to win the ARMBAR this year?

I'm the same camp as Justin re: Reigns, fair or unfair. I just don't want that match, not like this given the ground they failed to cover and the work they failed to do.

I'm sure the IC ladder match will be good, but if this is the card we're getting, I must make an important moral stand and vote with my money the only way I can by not getting the Network for WM. It's a meaningless gesture, but aren't they all? Given the talent they have, the card is mediocre. The build-up for almost everything was accidental at best and garbage at worst. There were about a half-dozen variations of these same people on this same Wrestlemania that could have been better with even a little bit of humility and foresight. I will be the Tom Joad of Not Watching Wrestlemania.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.53
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely

    Given the talent they have, the card is mediocre. The build-up for almost everything was accidental at best and garbage at worst. There were about a half-dozen variations of these same people on this same Wrestlemania that could have been better with even a little bit of humility and foresight. I will be the Tom Joad of Not Watching Wrestlemania.



This is the painfully mind numbing part of the whole deal, there are so many different combinations and pairings that would have worked, made sense and pleased a lot more people but here we are.

I'm intrigued by Bray-Undertaker, but I don't feel like it is as over as it should be.

I am simply in awe at how they managed to destroy Orton's heat as quickly as they have. The RKOouttanowhere is the payoff, but will anyone care when we get there.

If the return of Sheamus means stiff fifteen minute matches in the middle of Raw I'm all for it. I get lost halfway through these shows and never really find my way out of the fog by the end of them.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.82
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    Looking at that photo made me finally realize that the true pain of John Cena's STF comes from his biceps crushing his opponent's ears. THAT'S why he never pulls back on the chin.


My friends and I have always said it because Cena is screaming at the top of his lungs right into your ears. You can't get your fingers in your ears to stop it, so you have to tap.
SchippeWreck
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.76
I realize she was primarily a manager then, but it was still odd to see Madusa's first WCW run scrubbed from history.





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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.65
Well, it was nice that Rollins got to pin Reigns so the post-Shield hierarchy is at least a little shaken up.

My hope with Orton's plan isn't that this is leading to an RKO, it's that Orton's just readying himself for that perfect moment when Rollins is down on his knees and needs Orton the most, then he gets nailed with a Punt Kick. Then we get a Curb Stomp vs Punt Kick match at WrestleMania, where the match can only end when someone loses their head.

Medusa/Alundra Blayzzzee being inducted is a good one. I'd rather see them remember the ones who may get passed by than the ones who are more currently relevant.

John Stewart was every bit as good as I'd hoped, and he's very obviously a fan since he's dropped subtle references on the Daily Show for years. If leaving the Daily Show opens Stewart up to pursue a full time WWE career, I'm in.

I almost want to bail out of attending my first WrestleMania this year, the build has been so awful, and if it wasn't for Sting making his WWE debut, I might have but that's just enough of a thing to keep me invested. Nothing about Reigns vs Lesnar interests me, and unless Reigns gets a major personality overhaul, there's no way he'll ever be a success at the level WWE wants him to be.

Other than that, the ladder match should be a fun spectacle. It'd be nice to see the Undertaker in one of his last few appearances. Um... and... Cena/Rusev may at least have a decent story?

What really makes it awful is just thinking about the card they could have done:

- Lensar vs Bryan for the WWE World Heavyweight Title
- Undertaker vs Sting in a match they should have just done right away
- US Champion Rusev vs Roman Reigns for Roman's first singles title
- John Cena vs HHH to give them both something to do at no one else's expense
- Bray Wyatt vs Randy Orton
- Dean Ambrose vs Seth Rollins to close the book on that feud

Okay, the last 2-3 are completely subjective pairings that could really go either way, but the top three matches are still solid.

However you pair them up in fantasy booking, compared to this year's actual lineup, what a waste.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    7-man schmozz? I only count six (Barrett, Ambrose, Harper, Truth, Ziggler, Bryan). Who's the seventh I'm forgetting?


Stardust made it known he had his cosmic gaze fixed on the IC title last night in a WWE App-exclusive interview.
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