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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.29
So this week WWE seemed extremely confused about what to do with Orton. He accepted the Authority's offer to welcome him back into the fold, in theory so that he could get an opportunity to screw over Rollins and get his revenge for putting Orton on the shelf for several months. At the end of the main event, Rollins tagged himself in and Orton caused a distraction for Show, Kane and J&J so Rollins could eat a Superman Punch and a running knee for the victory. It looked like Orton was about to kick Rollins' ass, but after delivering an RKO to Noble he helped Rollins to his feet and patted him on the shoulder instead. Granted, Kane had gotten into the ring with them and Orton would have been clearly outnumbered if he'd attacked.

So either WWE isn't sure how to book Orton right now, or they're actually being a lot more subtle than usual and he's re-joined the Authority to make it easier to screw with Rollins. I imagine he's just waiting till he can get the two of them in the ring without the rest of the Authority present, before he busts out his RKOOUTTANOWHERE.

In other news...

-Natalya may have injured her ankle during the Brass Ring Club's title defense against the Usos, after she ensured her hubby and his bestie would retain the belts through disqualification.
-Emma jobbed in about 20 seconds to Brie Bella in a 'tag team' match that didn't see a single tag. Sigh. There's a reason why TNA fans chant "Better than Divas" during the Knockouts matches. And the Bellas are a big part of it. -20 stars.
-Reigns came out and cut a promo, then Bryan cut a promo where he gave Reigns a fair amount of his face heat back. Bryan is so good at making Reigns look like main event material, now if only he could do that WITHOUT Bryan's help. Maybe Bryan and Reigns should form a new stable. Then Heyman came out to cut a promo as well, saying that against anyone else, his money's on Roman, but he can't beat the Beast. Roman's reply wasn't very coherent but essentially came down to 'Oh yeah? I'ma do it!'
-It looks like there's going to be a 4-man match at Wrestlemania for the IC title, between Barrett (current champ), Ambrose (stole the belt), Ziggler (beat BNB tonight), and R-Truth (beat BNB last Thursday and got the #1 trend on Twitter). I'm rather OK with this, especially if it's a ladder match or something crazy like that. Just not a lumberjack match.
-The Ascension are no longer undefeated, losing to the Prime Time Players via rollup and then beating the crap out of them after the match. Titus got pretty much no in-ring time and barely did anything. Thanks for coming Titus!
-Cena wants a rematch from last night, blah blah blah patriotism blah blah blah America blah blah blah Hustle blah blah. Gods I hate this guy. Rusev tells him to go bugger a goat, he gets no rematch. At least, I'm guessing the goat-buggering was what he was saying during the Russian bits.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.59
Dear God, this company is going to turn Daniel Bryan heel.

They've lost their minds. They've absolutely lost their ever-loving minds.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.29
Where on Earth did you get that from? I didn't see any indication that Bryan was going heel. Maybe tweener, since he said he didn't care who boos Reigns, he's still got respect for him. He tagged himself in at the end, yeah, but Reigns just laughed about it and they seemed pretty friendly with each other after the match. The only thing that could have maybe even slightly indicated a turn would have been his somewhat arrogant claims during his promo, but then he turned it around and said as good as he is (and he is, and the crowd agrees), Reigns was the better man last night. That's not at all a heel action.

Plus the only way they could get the fans to boo Daniel Bryan right now is to make him join the Authority, and that was not even hinted at. He could probably put a kitten in the Yes Lock and the fans would still cheer for him.

On an unrelated note, I wonder what happened with the video feed there at the end ... the whole screen went black and I had to switch over to the Daily Show real quick to make sure it wasn't just DirecTV messing up. At least they got it back on in time for the conclusion.

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    So this week WWE seemed extremely confused about what to do with Orton. He accepted the Authority's offer to welcome him back into the fold, in theory so that he could get an opportunity to screw over Rollins and get his revenge for putting Orton on the shelf for several months. At the end of the main event, Rollins tagged himself in and Orton caused a distraction for Show, Kane and J&J so Rollins could eat a Superman Punch and a running knee for the victory. It looked like Orton was about to kick Rollins' ass, but after delivering an RKO to Noble he helped Rollins to his feet and patted him on the shoulder instead. Granted, Kane had gotten into the ring with them and Orton would have been clearly outnumbered if he'd attacked.

    So either WWE isn't sure how to book Orton right now, or they're actually being a lot more subtle than usual and he's re-joined the Authority to make it easier to screw with Rollins. I imagine he's just waiting till he can get the two of them in the ring without the rest of the Authority present, before he busts out his RKOOUTTANOWHERE.


Yeah, WWE isn't sure how to book Orton right now. That is the answer, inexplicable as it is. It is the easiest thing in the world to just have him come back as a house of fire, RKO'ing every Authority person in sight, and he'd be massively over as a face. Instead, WWE tries to immediately kill that positive reaction by actually having him link up with the Authority again (even tentatively) since lord knows nobody can be booked to looked stronger than a Stephanie McMahon browbeating.

I'm not the biggest Orton fan by any stretch, but it boggles the mind how they've made this guy look like an absolute non-entity basically since the moment he cashed in on Bryan at Summerslam 2013.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
I love the Ascension/PTP feud. Especially because I now get a guaranteed minimum of one "MO MONEY!" from Booker T.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
Yeah...they are planting the seeds of a Bryan heel turn. This always worked so well for WCW for taking an over guy and then turning them for no reason other than it takes away from someone else. I saw people are starting to believe in Reigns. I am not totally sure. He had two of the best talent around him last night. Lets see what happens without the training wheels. Still not sold on Reigns/Lesnar for Mania other than Rollins cashing it in.

In the height of our new cold war, they found a way to make the Russian bad guy become the hero in this story. Just turn Cena already. It does seem Ziggler is now headed for the IC four way instead facing Bryan. Which we get Bryan/Sheamus for the third time at Mania. Feel the indifference.

Randy...Randy....Randy. They have four Raws and five Smackdowns to turn him. It will happen probably sooner than later. Maybe John Stewart will have Randy on the Daily Show and have John turn him. I am intrigued to see Randy playing mind games with the Authority. However, he can't do what it is needed which is RKO Steph off the show, because of Sting. It sucks, because that would be the biggest pop they could get right now.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.18
I never understood the patriotism angle like you literally just spend the entire time slagging off somebodies country and then you get all pissed off when somebody does the same to yours. Like it just doesn't make sense???

Also, it's 2015 and Paige should not be losing to Brie Bella (or Nikki Bella.. whichever one is the champion, I really don't know).
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
Yeah the vibe with everything D-Bry did last night was off, right down to the happy laughing blind tag in the main event.

Someone tell Ryback (or whoever wrote his promo) that Larry "The Axe" Henning was not the Axe in Demolition (re: his axe/smash line to Curtis).

That Divas tag match was the saddest, non-match in quite a while. Which led to #GiveDivasAChance trending, playing off R-Truth early in the show...why was he out there? Why is 40-something R-Truth getting commentary mic time??
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    He could probably put a kitten in the Yes Lock and the fans would still cheer for him.



I'd buy THAT for a dollar!

I'm totally cool with an IC four way, especially these four.

Now, since Ziggler will be busy with that, I'm assuming it'll be Bryan/Sheamus again? Maybe they go with Celtic Face Warrior into the match, until TKTBC takes him down in 18 seconds, leading to angray heel Sheamus destroying everything.

I thought Brock was advertised for last night? WTF? Oh well, Heyman can do a fine job without him. I'mado it, indeed.

Actually, the Bellas have been doing pretty good in the ring. It's the writers giving them these 20 second bs matches. Bah.

I give it two weeks before RKOONW on Rollins, giving them a couple weeks to build to their match.

So, Kane and Big Show go into The Andre BR? I bet Axel doesn't get eliminated legally from that, either. #AXELMANIA!

If you'd have told me two years ago that Kidd was going to be one of the most facinating performers to watch, I would have punched you in the face.

Sure, The Bushwackers were beloved face lickers, but if only the kids knew how hellacious they were back in the day.

I really don't know how they are going to do the Wyatt/Taker match. Bray is so damned physical, I just don't see Tkaer making it thru this match without an injury. Oh, well, if he gets hurt, all Bray would have to do is roll him in the casket and it's done, leading to Taker's soul to come phasing thru the casket lid, straight up thru the fireflies and out into the atmosphere, holding hands with Sister Abigail.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    Actually, the Bellas have been doing pretty good in the ring. It's the writers giving them these 20 second bs matches. Bah.


The Bellas are terrible. Legitimately two of the worst performers in wrestling.

I actually like what they're doing with Randy. Steph was right - what he's done to her is much worse than what Rollins did to Orton, and she's still willing to work with him. He should get over it. Of course, he won't, or Rollins will try to double-cross him again, and then we get our WM match. It's the rare angle that remembers what's already happened on the show in the past and is consistent with the wrestlers' characters.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
    Originally posted by Tenken347
      Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
      Actually, the Bellas have been doing pretty good in the ring. It's the writers giving them these 20 second bs matches. Bah.


    The Bellas are terrible. Legitimately two of the worst performers in wrestling.

    I actually like what they're doing with Randy. Steph was right - what he's done to her is much worse than what Rollins did to Orton, and she's still willing to work with him. He should get over it. Of course, he won't, or Rollins will try to double-cross him again, and then we get our WM match. It's the rare angle that remembers what's already happened on the show in the past and is consistent with the wrestlers' characters.


When I say, "Actually pretty good", I'm comparing to how they were in the ring two years ago, move-wise. Neither can still act. It might help that they both have some-what decent wrasslin' manfriends who might be teaching them a move or two.


Oh, yeah, and TONY FRIGGIN' SCHIAVONE on Monday Night Raw! If all this Sting stuff leads to them bringing Tony back to call one last Sting match, let alone at WM, it will truly be THE biggest night in the history of our sport!

JBL: "Look at those two giants!", while Steph is on the mic. ;-)



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.37
    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
    Someone tell Ryback (or whoever wrote his promo) that Larry "The Axe" Henning was not the Axe in Demolition (re: his axe/smash line to Curtis).


Smashville is a nickname for Nashville connected to their hockey team. Ryback managed to combine an old wrestling reference and a cheap pop into one line. Matt Striker and Mick Foley were probably both nodding in admiration.

I'm fine if Bryan turns heel because he's far more entertaining that way. He showed signs of it at Fastlane with the "I have until five!" line, though that was probably lost on anyone who isn't familiar with his ROH work.

Rusev should really enter himself into the ARMBAR in an attempt to avoid Cena.

Has anyone ever had their belt stolen and then lost it to a third person before regaining possession of it, causing the new champion to have to immediately feud with whoever stole the belt? Could be an interesting angle there.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.20
Even if Bryan goes heel again, the audience is still in his back pocket with NO chants. And they'll still do the YES chants when fed the right lines. His commodity doesn't diminish.

It's not the direction I'd go in, but he's more bulletproof than any other person they'd turn right now, and they need top heels. If Orton turns, he, Cena, and Reigns are the main-event faces. That leaves them with only the Authority to fight, and that's getting old.

They could freshen up this easily by bringing Barrett into the Authority, replacing Luke Harper's autumn role with a better IC champion and proxy for Triple H. If Rollins uses his MITB, that's two of the three singles titles, and now three face challengers to go after either of them.

In a related story: R-Truth, really? No one from New Day could get that shot and elevate the stable?



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
Bryan isn't being turned heel. He's more valuable to Roman Reigns not as his adversary but as what Michael Cole would call HIS BUDDY~! THEY'RE HAVING FUN!

This whole last month was the Cena/Rock program in miniature. Bryan and Rock are scripted to jut their chins out and Harrison Bergeron their greatest strengths (Bryan's pure underdog babyface likeability, Rock's unmatchable trash talk on a gaping target like Cena) all to barely mitigate the overwhelming crowd reactions in their favors. Then the clean job followed by the endorsement no one wants to hear.

Excellent patience holding Randy Orton off TV for two extra months to peak his match with Rollins for Wrestlemania only to go backwards in the storyline and flatten out Orton's reaction. Like obviously he is plotting to get a clean shot at Rollins, but the payoff of his master plan is that he will get to ... give Rollins an RKO? Randy you're the best.

Ideally Sheamus will go into the Authority as a Bryan-breaker to finally give them a better tall guy in the crew, which they already could've had a long time ago between all the nothing Cesaro, Harper, and Barrett have been doing.

That's nothing compared to the nothing R-Truth has done since 2012, so him getting in a Wrestlemania match would be odd. Surely he is there to lose some kind of IC title qualifier to someone else? I would also be fine if the belt just switched to 24/7 hardcore rules.

Mizdow tossing Miz from the battle royal is a better idea than them having a match. With Dolph seemingly headed for the continental breakfast, I can't think of a better candidate to win the whole thing either.

Paige needs a partner to stop the Bellas, so we again reach the monthly event horizon of whether AJ is coming back or not. She had a neck injury, but I'm sure Dr. Amann would clear her.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.33
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Excellent patience holding Randy Orton off TV for two extra months to peak his match with Rollins for Wrestlemania only to go backwards in the storyline and flatten out Orton's reaction. Like obviously he is plotting to get a clean shot at Rollins, but the payoff of his master plan is that he will get to ... give Rollins an RKO? Randy you're the best.


I think Orton's got a more sinister mindset here, though having it play out within five weeks is a bit trickier. By rejoining the Authority and winding up in situations where he looks like he can kill Rollins dead, only to hold back, he's going to make Rollins increasingly paranoid. Rollins will just know that Orton is up to no good (because he is) but he won't have anything to actively go on, while Stephanie encourages him to play nice. Finally, Rollins snaps and does something to alienate him from the Authority or otherwise disrupt them, maybe attacking Big Show when Show is trying to defend Randy, and that gives Orton his opportunity to strike.

Just going at Rollins means that Orton winds up getting stuck in handicap matches and beatdowns and all kinds of other problems. He's seen that happen to others over the last four months. So he's taking a longer look at how he can destroy the Authority from within. Things like giving Noble an RKO last night are ways to nudge the fans to thinking about things like that without outright saying "Orton is a sleeper agent".

In the short-term, yeah, it hurts his returning babyface heat. But if the end game is the Authority splintering apart as a faction, that's not so bad, is it?
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
    Originally posted by Chumpstain
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Excellent patience holding Randy Orton off TV for two extra months to peak his match with Rollins for Wrestlemania only to go backwards in the storyline and flatten out Orton's reaction. Like obviously he is plotting to get a clean shot at Rollins, but the payoff of his master plan is that he will get to ... give Rollins an RKO? Randy you're the best.


    I think Orton's got a more sinister mindset here, though having it play out within five weeks is a bit trickier. By rejoining the Authority and winding up in situations where he looks like he can kill Rollins dead, only to hold back, he's going to make Rollins increasingly paranoid. Rollins will just know that Orton is up to no good (because he is) but he won't have anything to actively go on, while Stephanie encourages him to play nice. Finally, Rollins snaps and does something to alienate him from the Authority or otherwise disrupt them, maybe attacking Big Show when Show is trying to defend Randy, and that gives Orton his opportunity to strike.

    Just going at Rollins means that Orton winds up getting stuck in handicap matches and beatdowns and all kinds of other problems. He's seen that happen to others over the last four months. So he's taking a longer look at how he can destroy the Authority from within. Things like giving Noble an RKO last night are ways to nudge the fans to thinking about things like that without outright saying "Orton is a sleeper agent".

    In the short-term, yeah, it hurts his returning babyface heat. But if the end game is the Authority splintering apart as a faction, that's not so bad, is it?


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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Like obviously he is plotting to get a clean shot at Rollins, but the payoff of his master plan is that he will get to ... give Rollins an RKO? Randy you're the best.


Knockout headkick would work better - and now I think I just figured out it

- everyone's (in the WM crowd) is going to be thinking about Rollins cashing in the briefcase after the main event; he's the first guy to walk into WM with the briefcase, IIRC. It would get over huge with that crowd...

- ...but that would kind of render all the build up to this point as moot if Reigns lost in two minutes later. Even just distracting people with the possibility is a determent.

- so either Orton head kicks Rollins earlier in the night to make it clear Rollins won't be able to come out later (maybe even Rollins disappears like Orton for a few months, reappearing by surprise to cash in)

- OR Rollins actually cashes it in, and Orton betrays Seth to cost him his title mach and gets his revenge that way. This would do the best to explain why he waited to turn on Rollins - costing him the title shot is the best possible revenge - and you could even do some set up to play off the Shield betrayal to go full circle. It would be a lot of things going on right after the main event; maybe it's a better RAW after WrestleMania thing.

Seth's really kind of screwed with this briefcase, because it never made sense for him to beat Brock for it (even if things fell apart between Brock & WWE again, Brock's probably not going back to job) and Reigns figures to hold the title at least until SummerSlam unless WWE totally loses faith in him. Which is possible, but harder to see happening when it's network subscriptions and not buyrates. If Seth is stuck losing, you might as well make sure the loss means something, and a post-briefcase feud between Orton & Seth would mean something.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    - OR Rollins actually cashes it in, and Orton betrays Seth to cost him his title match and gets his revenge that way. This would do the best to explain why he waited to turn on Rollins - costing him the title shot is the best possible revenge - and you could even do some set up to play off the Shield betrayal to go full circle. It would be a lot of things going on right after the main event; maybe it's a better RAW after WrestleMania thing


Even this would suck, since 'keeping Rollins from cashing in' was Dean Ambrose's entire reason for being for several months.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
      Originally posted by Tenken347
        Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
        Actually, the Bellas have been doing pretty good in the ring. It's the writers giving them these 20 second bs matches. Bah.


      The Bellas are terrible. Legitimately two of the worst performers in wrestling.

      I actually like what they're doing with Randy. Steph was right - what he's done to her is much worse than what Rollins did to Orton, and she's still willing to work with him. He should get over it. Of course, he won't, or Rollins will try to double-cross him again, and then we get our WM match. It's the rare angle that remembers what's already happened on the show in the past and is consistent with the wrestlers' characters.


    When I say, "Actually pretty good", I'm comparing to how they were in the ring two years ago, move-wise. Neither can still act. It might help that they both have some-what decent wrasslin' manfriends who might be teaching them a move or two.


I don't mean to pick on you specifically over this, but I am just so tired of the Bellas, and I am not willing to give them anything at this point. Their ringwork might have picked up a little bit in the last year or two, but overall they've done so, so little to actually improve themselves and earn the spot they wound up with. I hate being an Internet Guy about this, but look at anything they've done since 2008 - in the ring, out of the ring, on Total Divas, anything, and then look at anything any of the girls down in NXT have done in the last six months, and try to tell me that the Bellas have any business being on my television.

It's such a damn shame that they are actually really good at the only part of pro wrestling that actually matters - politics. And let me be clear, I'm not accusing either of them of sleeping with the people they're attached to in order to further their careers. However, like HHH before them, now that they're in that position, I don't think either Bella minds one bit using that connection to their advantage. It's not new, but it's the exact kind of thing that has actually killed lesser promotions, and if there were any competition still around, I don't think we'd be seeing it here (at least to this degree). This might be how pro wrestling works, but it doesn't mean that I have to like it.

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.18
The Bellas are in the position they're in because they're marketable and can sell themselves - in an out of the ring - in the same sense that Kim Kardashian can.

This isn't a knock at them or any other female wrestler on the roster.

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