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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.53
Well, I watched some of this, against my better judgement, mostly, the last hour. I enjoyed the epic no sell of Rusev of Big Show and then continued sell of the slaps. Why weren't the Atlanta Fan's doing the da-da-da-dadada-daaaaa-da-da-da-dadada-da thing. It seemed like they were doing the Orioles chant.

The Divas thing. Could Ne-Ne have possible gotten a smaller pop?I'd have to say almost no one there had any clue who she was. I know I didn't.

Was there any question of the result of the main event? More Orton/Cena? Sure, of course, why not.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.37
I watched what I could, but we had major storms here and the DirecTV was in and out for most of the first two hours.

Apparently Chrisley was too afraid to show his stupid mug on RAW after how hard the crowd's been booing the 'special guests' lately. Or if he did it was while the TV was out and they never referred back to it. Too bad NeNe (whoever the hell she is) wasn't that smart. I noticed a fair amount of boos when she first came out of her dressing room and then flat silence afterwards, though that could have been the usual apathy for a Total Divas match (or manipulation of the sound after NYC booed Kathy Lee out of the building and chanted 'This is stupid' to the minis match). Apparently someone's watching that garbage, but it's not the live audience cause they couldn't care less.

The Authority put on some pretty good matches in the first hour, with Ziggler vs Orton and Rollins vs Swagger. Ziggler was actually carrying Orton for a large portion of what would have been a 30-second squash a year ago, and while he lost to a dynamic RKO out of nowhere he put up one hell of a fight. Rollins even got a much better match out of Swagger than I thought was possible.

I rather liked the main event, even if the ending was a bit of a clusterfuck. On the upside, Ambrose outwitted Cena by taking advantage of the veteran showing off by FU'ing Kane to head straight for the contract and mocked Cena before pulling it down. Too bad the camera dude was focused on the wrong guy and we only knew from the crowd's reaction that he'd finished pulling it down. I expected some kind of random last-minute turn of either Ambrose or Cena (as little sense as it would have made), but they played it straight as we faded to black.

I do have to question putting a HUGE PPV match on free TV, especially after they'd already advertised it as happening at HitC, but I guess they didn't have anyone for Orton to wrestle, or they weren't confident enough that Ambrose had the stamina to put on a 15-minute match with Cena and then come back to put on a worthy match with Rollins. It doesn't make any sense from the Authority's point of view, other than keeping Orton happy, which they haven't really been all that concerned with. Ah well, RAW actually had a main event that was worth sticking around for, so I'm not complaining that much.

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.95
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    Too bad the camera dude was focused on the wrong guy


As far as WWE was concerned, he was focused on the right guy.





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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.99

It has been speculated by many posters down through the years on this board that WWE reads some of these posts. Who can know, but their economical use of NeNe and Chrisley certainly makes me wonder. NeNe was confined to a backstage segment that would have sucked anyway, and doing a manager gimmick in a multi-Diva throwaway bout that...would have sucked anyway. And Chrisley just did a harmless ringside interview. Compared with Kathie Lee and Hoba (Hova, Hoda?), this was entirely forgivable.

The weird Wrestlemania Ten-ish mini-tourney was peculiar booking for settling grudges, so I didn't mind them giving Cena/Ambrose early. They both committed to it so much that I actually forgot they'd worked earlier in the night. Still, having them win was dumb. Making the three way tag for the titles and having dissension blow a potential title run would have contributed better to their tension and enhanced the later bout. Orton/Dolph was clearly MOTN and I'd like to get back to giving at least one PPV-caliber match on these wretched 3-hour RAWs. Cesaro on commentary was just there, but putting him in that position is the only way he'll learn.





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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.34
The reality star stuff was played down. I still fast forwarded through much of the show, but they gave me a great Ziggler/Orton and Ambrose/Cena so you got me WWE.

I wonder why not make the main event of HiAC a four way cell match? I can't think of the last time a HiAC 4 way was even done, plus all four guys want to be the guy to challenge Brock next. Makes way more sense to put them in a giant main event spot since everyone hates everyone.

That RKo was beautiful. I don't mind a re-pushed Dolph eating the pin from that.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.11
Tag champs G&S: lost
IC champion Ziggler: lost
US champion Sheamus: lost

But championships are important!

(AJ did manage to win)

Still, nice long matches, not so much yappin' (although it feels like Heyman withdrawl may be affecting me soon) - either they are trying something new or they just threw in the towel and cut way back on trying to "write" as many segments. Or both. I will speculate that it has little to no effect on the ratings, but we'll see!

But man wasn't it weird how Cesaro was out there chattin' away and then he just stopped talking for like the last five minutes of the segment?



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.61
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Tag champs G&S: lost
    IC champion Ziggler: lost
    US champion Sheamus: lost

    But championships are important!


At least there's the WWE World Heavyweight Champion...uh...I forget. No, really. They haven't even mentioned Lesnar's name once in weeks. What, do they have to pay him for every mention of his name, too?

This actually wasn't a bad show, right up until the main event. It isn't just the overbooking to all hell, but...just...sigh...goddamn it, The E, who's back there thinking, "Well, we're doing that Ambrose/Rollins Cell match everyone wanted. We'd better throw in another Cena/Orton match, too."

But really, the show wasn't all that bad. A lot of the nonsense was kept to a minimum. I find it really curious that there was seemingly a lot made of Todd Chrissley showing up, only for him to just get a quick interview from the crowd. He TOTALLY looked like he wanted nothing to do with this, making me think:

1. This was a USA Network-mandated appearance.
2. He was asked to do a backstage segment and he totally shot it down.

Oh well. The end result is something everyone can be happy with.




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03
I've missed the last few shows, so sorry if this isn't news - but - "Dean Ambrose" is now officially pronounced "Dean Ambrow Ssss" (where "Adam Rose" rhymes with "grows"). What's that about? Does the hard 's' make him sound tougher? It's like Vince's way of pronouncing "diesel," which is acceptable according to Merriam-Webster but always struck me as peculiar. I've only ever heard it from people who are (1) Vince McMahon or (2) mouthpieces for Vince McMahon.

Miz/Sheamus/Sandow is wonderful. It's the only non-xenophobic angle getting over on its own terms, and in an absolutely brutal time slot to boot. Damien Sandow as Virgil is arguably the #4 babyface in the company right now.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by CRZ
      Tag champs G&S: lost
      IC champion Ziggler: lost
      US champion Sheamus: lost

      But championships are important!


    At least there's the WWE World Heavyweight Champion...uh...I forget. No, really. They haven't even mentioned Lesnar's name once in weeks. What, do they have to pay him for every mention of his name, too?

    .


The rumor is they are also keeping Heyman off TV, so people don't connect the dots that the champ is MIA. I stil have no idea why they are letting Lesnar keep this thing if he is not going to work til the Rumble.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.38
The commercial break during The Big Show vs Rusev match was a killer. We came back to rest hold city which took them a couple minutes to work out of not to mention the commercial break rest hold that killed the crowd. You gotta let the big guys just do their thing, but when cutting to commercial during a match is what you do make no exception.

All the announcers have been bad at calling the USA vs Rusev stuff, but JBL especially. Watch some 1980s Jesse Ventura calling an Iron Sheik match for crying out loud.

All that being said I still kind of liked it. I'm a sucker for big man matches and am enjoying Rusev's Umaga push.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
I've been trying to create that powerbomb into a cutter in the video games for years. The move creation system won't transition from a powerbomb hold without the opponent standing on his feet first.

That's the kind of creativity Orton needs regularly to be interesting -- hearken back to DDP when the cutter appeared anytime during a match out of seemingly any move.

AJ's shining wizard looked more like Bryan's finishing knee.



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I could be wrong, but it sure sounded like the Chrisley appearance - in addition to being a very quick bit at ringside - also wasn't displayed up on the big screen so everyone in the arena could see/hear/mercilessly boo it. I'm gonna go ahead an assume someone in the NBC Universal family (no one at WWE is that self-aware) saw the Kathie Lee and Hoda trainwreck last week and came up with/asked them to come up with some way to minimize crowd interaction for this one, which was incredibly disappointing, as I had imagined forty minutes of Chrisley off-script berating a crowd for booing him/not knowing who he was.

Most important thing of the night - did I imagine it, or did Orton very specifically note that Orton/Cena or Orton/Ambrose in the Cell would be the main event? I'm 99% sure he said it'd be the main event in both scenarios as he was pitching the idea, and HHH's muted response makes me want to believe that was Randy hilariously going into business for himself and just booking his match as the main either way to see if he could get away with it.

In addition to being underrated as a worker, especially on free TV, Orton is vastly, vastly underrated as a guy who yells stuff outside the ring. The only thing funnier than Orton yelling at other wrestlers when he's not holding a mic (like him taunting Cena, then switching it up to taunt Ambrose last night) is Orton yelling into the crowd (that time he yelled "THERE'S NO DQ!") on his own.

(Also, what went down at the end of Orton/Ziggler? Randy seemed to expect Dolph to be in position to do the casual pin, then had to turn him over and do it again, and right when Orton would usually freak out and call him "STUPID!", Dolph seemed to call over to the ref, and Orton made a point to come back over, in the guise of taunting, to get filled in on what happened. Ziggler must have been fine, he took the Curb Stomp, but it seemed like there was brief concern about him or some kind of miscommunication that passed the Orton Freakout threshold.)

They totally forgot to book an ending for the show again, didn't they?
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
WWE always believes the Brooklyn (New York) crowd is they're ahead of the curve, so that reaction itself could've changed how they used the celebrities here. No Mini Gator either.


    Most important thing of the night - did I imagine it, or did Orton very specifically note that Orton/Cena or Orton/Ambrose in the Cell would be the main event?


He did, though that's apparently more a protecting Cena thing. They were all about word choice, pushing Orton would face the other guy and not the loser. And they made sure to protect Cena even in a pole match - he lost because he did The Right Thing and saved Ambrose from Kane, not because Ambrose did anything himself.


(edited by thecubsfan on 14.10.14 0920)

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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Why weren't the Atlanta Fan's doing the da-da-da-dadada-daaa​aa-da-da-da-dadada-da thing. It seemed like they were doing the Orioles chant.


They *were* doing the Tomahawk Chop, which, uh, pretty much proved Lana's point.



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I'm a fan of the person in the company who realized that anything-on-a-pole matches are the worst kind of matches ever created and never belong on a PPV.
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    WWE always believes the Brooklyn (New York) crowd is they're ahead of the curve, so that reaction itself could've changed how they used the celebrities here. No Mini Gator either.

I'm a big fan of the person in the company who decided that listening to what the audience likes and dislikes is a better idea than telling us what we like and dislike. Hopefully this thinking evolves to include pushes.

    Most important thing of the night - did I imagine it, or did Orton very specifically note that Orton/Cena or Orton/Ambrose in the Cell would be the main event?

    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    He did, though that's apparently more a protecting Cena thing. They were all about word choice, pushing Orton would face the other guy and not the loser. And they made sure to protect Cena even in a pole match - he lost because he did The Right Thing and saved Ambrose from Kane, not because Ambrose did anything himself.
    (edited by thecubsfan on 14.10.14 0920)

I'm not a fan of this. Cena, after 12 years of cliches, does not need protecting. In fact, the most Cena-thing to do would be to lose and then say that the better man won. But he hasn't eaten the right candy to make that evolution.

I agree with the Doctor about Orton's yelling abilities. He has great timing and is genuinely funny. Or at least entertaining. Why can't the writers write for that guy instead of cold-smoldering-apex-viper?

The MVPs of the company are Ziggler, Barrett, Cody Rhodes, and Sandow. Those four have eaten a steady diet of shit sandwiches in the form of pushes, gimmicks, or both, since they arrived. And yet they run full speed with the shit sandwich and ask for more.

(edited by Stefonics on 14.10.14 1150)
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.11
    Originally posted by thecubsfan

      Most important thing of the night - did I imagine it, or did Orton very specifically note that Orton/Cena or Orton/Ambrose in the Cell would be the main event?


    He did, though that's apparently more a protecting Cena thing. They were all about word choice, pushing Orton would face the other guy and not the loser. And they made sure to protect Cena even in a pole match - he lost because he did The Right Thing and saved Ambrose from Kane, not because Ambrose did anything himself.
So, dudes, you can't be hatin' when Cena's in the final match of the night - it was *ORTON'S IDEA.*



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by thecubsfan

        Most important thing of the night - did I imagine it, or did Orton very specifically note that Orton/Cena or Orton/Ambrose in the Cell would be the main event?


      He did, though that's apparently more a protecting Cena thing. They were all about word choice, pushing Orton would face the other guy and not the loser. And they made sure to protect Cena even in a pole match - he lost because he did The Right Thing and saved Ambrose from Kane, not because Ambrose did anything himself.
    So, dudes, you can't be hatin' when Cena's in the final match of the night - it was *ORTON'S IDEA.*


If I were attending the show, I might consider leaving after the Ambrose/Rollins cell match then. I'll probably leave the PPV on watching WWE Network, but my second monitor may have my attention more. Honestly, I can't take Cena/Orton part 472, and that number only includes the televised matchups.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
You know, for a second, I actually thought that Rollins would cash in on Ziggler and we'd get Rollins/Ambrose for the IC Title in the cell.

Show was okay, definitely a leg up on last week, with the exception of Rock's segment and Ambrose using a hot dog cart to attack people with.



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Didn't see the whole thing, but I was fine with Cena/Ambrose's ending. This is a Raw, not PPV, so even if Ambrose beat Cena clean, it would have been hotshotting during a match designed to set up the PPV.

I think, even if Ambrose beat Cena clean, people would have still found a way to complain about it. It's better this way.

I'd be surprised if Cena/Orton MCMLXVII went on last, since that's the considerably less heated feud and they risk fans walking out after Ambrose/Rollins.

Also, didn't Cena/Orton "For the Last Time Ever" already happen on Raw earlier this year?
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID

    Also, didn't Cena/Orton "For the Last Time Ever" already happen on Raw earlier this year?


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