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You know how I feel about chanting idiots, and they were in abundance at Barclays Center in Brooklyn and not having it for most of tonight's show...but tonight I kind of had to agree with them a lot of the time.

I can only assume they keep replaying Hogan saying "Coleman" over and over to embarrass him.

For reasons obvious - namely, 45 minutes of sleep in an 30 hour period - I gave in to an involuntary nap in the first hour and unfortunately, not during the opening gabfest - instead, I slept through the obligatory six-man match (Usos & ... somebody beat Gold & Stardust & Cesaro when an Uso pinned...I dunno, Stardust I think. Who's Cesaro feuding with these days? Wow, you'd think I'd be able to just recall this stuff.) and woke up in time to see Adam Rose fail to get the crowd interested in "Fourth Hour of Today Show's" Kathie Lee & Hoda. Amusingly, the WWE-approved "#TodayShow" failed to trend - bad research there - but "Kathie Lee & Hoda" did...although probably as much for negative response as for response in general.

After opening hour one by separately running out on Seth Rollins, who was "hijacking" the show but not really, Ambrose and Cena ALSO led hour two, when Ambrose got all lunatic fringe-y and said he woudln't be around for the night's main event, booked by Triple H and Stephanie McMahon, of he & Cena vs. Rollins (wait for it) and Kane (wait for it) and Orton and that he was going to Coney Island instead. This naturally meant that he'd be back just after the bullshit DQ ending of the main event (because the one guy always gets the DQ over the three guys), fresh from his visit to "Coney Island," and keep in mind WWE went to all the trouble of taping Ambrose boarding a subway (wrong station, but who'd notice - except EVERYBODY) to make you think, no, this time he was REALLY REALLY GONE, and Michael Cole said "strap hangers" just enough times to let you know it was a scripted line he had to read - ANYWAY - Ambrose, returning with a street vendor cart and squirting ketchup and mustard on Kane and Orton. Between this and Rollin's green slime of last week, somebody in Creative has a real "messy" fetish and, while it's great that they're exploring that and if it feels good do it, man...I don't really need it.

Hour three was led off by Rusev and Lana talking just long enough for a surprise (to me) appearance by The Rock, which....guys, The Rock is great and all but I have absolutely no idea what purpose is served by having Rock make Lana & Rusev look, as Meltzer will no doubt say on Wednesday, like geeks. Unless somehow this sets up a Rock/Rusev match, odds of which I would have to place at 0.000001%, all that's getting done here is burning Rusev - oh and making Big Show look like a goof for never emerging from backstage segments tonight. Also, ha ha, Rusev's a fag and Lana's a slut. Great stuff, Rocky. I know it's funny because the commentators wouldn't stop chuckling on their live mics. Say, Rock, have you heard about gay marriage being declared legal in at least 30 states? Or how about that Komen For The Cure? Nah, it's all good, Rock, you be you. Nobody else in this company appears to be over.

It DID wake up the crowd, at least - one has to wonder if noticing a rather lusty "THIS IS STUPID" chant dominating the matchup between El Torito and Mini-Gator (Slater Gator's version of Hornswoggle) would inspire them to stop booking shit like that. We do not hold high hope.

Joan Lunden was given slightly more respect (in that they didn't boo, but they didn't go out of their way to make lots of noise, either) and she read off a list of names and this crowd wasn't gonna boo ALL of the cancer survivors. Besides, a couple were pretty cute. Can't boo a FUSCO! And Cena came out to give her a hug. Aw.

The much hyped Roman Reigns live update didn't feel very live, so it was shunted to the bottom of one of the hours. It was...not good. Believe that.

AJ teamed with (remember) Emma to take on Paige and her best friend Alicia Fox. Crowd chanted for...was this one of the million times they chanted for Derek Jeter? AJ decided to walk away and Paige and Emma's interaction was limited to Emma eating a finisher and getting pinned.

In other Divas action, Brie Bella had one arm tied behind her back but still managed to pin Summer Rae despite having Layla in her corner. I guess at least they got on TV. Not that I miss Fandango. I don't. If Brie had something pink on, I missed it, which I thought was weird.

Sheamus took on Miz (with Damien Mizdow in tow - and reaping the lion's share of the chant action) because Miz offended Kane with a fruit basket. (I WILL grant that Kane had some good fruit basket-related lines.) Miz won because he had more people interfering on his behalf than the solo Sheamus, and because it was non-title so of course the champion lost.

Bo Dallas stole a terribly-choreographed countout victory over Mark Henry for reasons unknown - well, actually, somehow getting three bogus victories over Henry vaulted Dallas to a title shot at Ziggler (ZIGGLER WAS IN THE SIX MAN TAG!) tomorrow on Main Event.

Jack Swagger defeated Tyson Kidd despite him having Natalya in his corner - Natalya didn't cry because that's not the angle they're doing this month. Not sure they've settled on the angle they ARE doing this month, but maybe they'll let NXT continue to fill in those blanks.

All this and Noble and Mercury were in the opening segment, too. Guessing their on-camera time is here to stay...until the segment producer gets tired of 'em. Unless they're producing their own segments, which would really be genius.

Oh and Harper and Rowan got vignettes. Trouble is, each time they cut in with the HORROR GRAPHIC the crowd gets excited because they think the Wyatt Family is saving them from the shit they are enduring live in the arena, but instead it's a vignette up on the big screen instead. Without intending it, WWE could soon even kill THAT anticipation by blowing it on vignette production.

Next week: "Reality star" Nene Leakes dares the WWE Universe to boo HER! I hope they do! I hope they do.

No Lesnar, no Heyman (hey, Scarsdale is close to Brooklyn, isn't it?), no live appearance by any Wyatt, no Kofi, E or Xavier Woods - and yet they still dragged things out to fill three hours. (Please revisit Scott's concise statement about this show at the top of this post.) We had Rock...and pretty much diddly squat for the rest of the time.

Did I miss anything? Fill in them blanks.

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You did leave out how, after trying to chant over the entire Torito vs (ugh) Mini Gator match, the crowd booed heavily for the face bull going over the heel(?) Hornswaggle. Winning segment there.

Oh and Hoda and Kathie Lee broke gimmicked wine bottles over each other's rears.

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Lawler made a sound during The Rock's return after Cole said he had goosebumps that was exactly like the Howard Dean scream. It's like the Wilhelm scream in terms of uniqueness.

Enjoyed SNL's Taran Killam and Bobby Moynihan in the front row with their backs to the hard camera. Pretty sure they were the recipients of at least one of Rocky's winks.
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    Also, ha ha, Rusev's a fag and Lana's a slut. Great stuff, Rocky. I know it's funny because the commentators wouldn't stop chuckling on their live mics.


It's weird - the Rock is a big current top movie star and he comes off as a relic from a past era whenever he turns back up on this show. Don't get me wrong, the crowd was totally excited for him, seeing him as a guy who was a genuine star on a show full of just wrestlers and he could've just read a map and gotten a huge reaction.* Instead, he drifted towards his usual line of thought. He's been doing this bit for 15 years, and it felt like something that was tolerated in 2000 but doesn't work in 2014. Rock's been questioned about this previously via Twitter and reacted poorly - he views it as harmless trash talk that's not truly misogyny/homophobic (and Lana & Rusev are Bad Guys so whatever is said to them is fine), but it's clearly not being taken that way by a significant part of the audience. If Rock is so good as coming up with things to say, then maybe he needs to drop that crutch and come up with something fresher.

* - Which he basically did; there were non stop cheap heat local moments from the moment he came out and stood his back to the camera so everyone could read the Brooklyn text on the back five times. It was almost a weird desperate safety move for a guy who shouldn't need one.

There were also the greater problems of "wait, you built up Rusev all that time just the Rock could punch him around a bit?" - I feel bad for the sucker who's going to get killed to overcorrect - and "wait, you're insanely desperate to have people buy the network and you're giving away a surprise Rock appearance on a non-network show?", but both come down to WWE just kind of drifting thru the fall and that ain't news. For all the talk about having to put on big shows to get people to resub, WWE's acting like a company totally cool with you tuning out - and not paying up - until the Rumble comes around. I'm taking them up on it at this point.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.37
I personally enjoyed the Rock segment, other than all the cheap heat spots he rolled through (did he really have to list EVERY borough in New York?), though I also wonder where the hell this is going. If we actually are going to get Rock vs Rusev, I can't imagine Rock coming back for a 'cup of tea' just to lose to Rusev, but at the same time, why blow the 'guy who finally beats Rusev' thing on someone who'd be monstrously over if he came out and reading a recipe for mayo-covered bananas?

On the other hand, that was one of the most 'edgy' promos that we've seen in the PG era, and at least he didn't throw a bunch of food at Rusev or cover him in green slime.

I also really enjoyed the Miz/Shaemus match, mostly for the crowd giving Sandow the biggest pop and most appreciation he's ever received since I've been watching. I have to applaud the crowd's taste for recognizing what a great job Damien's been doing with this current gimmick. If this isn't a Brooklyn-only reaction, I wonder if we might eventually see Mizdow break away and turn face. Maybe he could be the Miz's 'good twin'?

Not much else to say about tonight's show, except that at least Emma still has a job (even if they aren't doing fuck-all with her, which is a total waste).
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.61
Considering that I couldn't see the Rusev Train going anywhere but the John Cena Station, it's actually nice to see that he seems to be going in a different direction. Now the impression that I get from this is that they HAVE to have a Rock/Rusev match and that it can only go down at Wrestlemania. Of course, with The E being who they are, I have no doubt that they went ahead on this course of action without giving any consideration to what the Hollywood studios that employ The Rock are going to think and I have to think this is a huge no-go for them, given how close Rock came to a major health disaster last time he was in the ring. If that's how this ends up going down, then this all amounts to one giant waste of time.

But hey, it was a genuine surprise that popped the crowd and the home viewer and kept this Raw from being one of the worst of the year, so huzzah!

I'm also not about to begrudge The Rock for trotting out his usual bit after 15 years. Unlike certain other acts in this company (ah, the McMahon-Helmsley Regime. Never change.), Rock hasn't bludgeoned people over the head with his schtick frequently enough to make it old hat.

Of course, it does once again highlight the glaring problem with the current state of The E in a nutshell. It isn't just the fact that The Rock can come in and instantly give a guy the kind of credibility that literally nobody else on the active roster has. How about having Edge and Christian deliver a 30 second vignette with their classic bit and having them look roughly 1,000 times better and more natural than Roman Reigns, who came out five minutes later and stumbled his way through a hospital promo? The current roster is just so woefully bereft of any kind of star power or presence that it genuinely makes me worry for the future of this company. I mean, there's a reason that Chris Jericho and Rob Van Dam keep getting calls to come back and it's pretty obvious that the law of diminishing returns has pretty much run its course with both of them.

But hey, live in the now, right? Rock made Rusev look like a Big Deal tonight, far more than Big Show or even John Cena could have, just with his mere presence. Rock's is the kind of mystique that only Brock Lesnar has right now, so if The E's going to use it to make someone, ANYONE, new look like a half-decent star, more power to them.

They may have another shot to start building a couple more new stars at Hell in a Cell. Of course, all of it will be for naught if John Cena just destroys both Ambrose and Rollins on his way to Rising Above Hate for the millionth time. History is murky on whether Cena will do the right thing (Summerslam against Daniel Bryan) or do what's best for himself (Wrestlemania against Bray Wyatt), so we'll see what happens in a few weeks.

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    Of course, it does once again highlight the glaring problem with the current state of The E in a nutshell. It isn't just the fact that The Rock can come in and instantly give a guy the kind of credibility that literally nobody else on the active roster has


This is interesting. I'm totally of the opinion that Rusev ended up looking like a chump in that skit while you're just as sure he's better off just for being in the Rock's glow. One of my problems with that skit is it felt like they could've put any mid heel in that spot - Cesar, Miz (again), Bo (Bo would've been epic) - because it was Rock doing a promo to an (angry) wall and he didn't even really play the jingoism as much as the other -isms. But if he's taken more seriously as a result of this skit I guess it worked.

I'm less opening minded about Rock/Rusev happening. Would Rock really need to fight that fight? He whipped the man already!



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    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    There were also the greater problems of "wait, you built up Rusev all that time just the Rock could punch him around a bit?" - I feel bad for the sucker who's going to get killed to overcorrect - and "wait, you're insanely desperate to have people buy the network and you're giving away a surprise Rock appearance on a non-network show?", but both come down to WWE just kind of drifting thru the fall and that ain't news. For all the talk about having to put on big shows to get people to resub, WWE's acting like a company totally cool with you tuning out - and not paying up - until the Rumble comes around. I'm taking them up on it at this point.


I'm sure WWE looks at it as "Rusev is in the ring with The Rock and this is huge exposure for him," which makes sense to a certain degree.

I'm betting this has a lot to do with them being in New York and Dwayne just also coincidentally being in New York and having not much else to do. Win-win for both sides.

If that's the case, I can't really blame them for doing this and I enjoyed it since it was a legitimate surprise and was more exciting than anything else on the show non-Ambrose.

Speaking of which, Ambrose is PG-proof. He's got a gimmick of "Don't care what others think," which is both positive and as edgy as you can get in this world. I think it works and if that's what makes him a superstar, so be it. It's not like publicly traded Mattel partner WWE itself is ever going to change.

Hopefully, he's also Cena proof. I hope that in a year, we have Ambrose, Bryan, Rollins, Wyatt and even Reigns in top tier positions and major feuds. If Cena and Orton are around in a supporting role and can have "Young Legend" status, as they've been slowly inching towards since Summer of Punk, even better.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.38
I can't take it anymore. I have gone to channel surfing and checking in while just catching the PPVs.

I really didn't think Rock was going to win the showdown. I thought for sure Rock would win the verbal portion and he'd get the early advantage and then get crushed. It made sense to me. Rusev would look huge. Rock would have had his fun. I was wrong. Rock can go back to living large and the rest of us can continue watching these losers shuffle about aimlessly ntil the next celebrity shows up to make things right.

Speaking of losers, how dare Miz act in these awful straight to DVD movies. Why would anyone watch that crap? How embarrassing for WWE ... Hey, wait...

There was a time when the unlikely pair of Austin and Bradshaw would begrudgingly team up every week to take on various combinations of an over the hill nWo and their numbers. This went on for weeks and was less exciting than it sounds and yet here we are.

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Rusev's career is going to be a mid-card jobber after he gets his first lose, deal with it. We have seen this play before. The only difference is he was in the ring with someone fans actually care about instead of Cena. As for Rock's promo, I think the trash talking is a breath of fresh air compared to the HHH burial promos we have gotten for over a year.

Rock has carte blanche since he showed up this week as opposed to our current champ. Why the IWC shits on Rock, but not Brock still amazes me. I guess since Brock's last fight was a failure, him crawling back to the WWE is more humbling for fans than Rock who doesn't need this third rate show, shows up gets a dead crowd excited. Yep, fuck the Rock.

Also, who the fuck cares about Rusev? The rest of the show was garbage and if you are seriously going to order Hell in a Cell, please just stop. If you have the Network, cool, but don't pay real money for this thing.



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    Originally posted by lotjx
    please just stop.


I know this is completely out of context, but, oh, if we could only get you to listen to your own words.


How about Hoda almost hurling from that drink of wine, then immediately coming back and saying, "BTW, that was REALLY good!", with that "whatever" look on her face. Someone over on DVDVR said all the talent should sit down and watch Kathy Lee's interaction with the audience on how to bee a heel, but act like they love you. She has that mastered.

"If ya smell...........". Didn't see that coming. Now, where do they go with it?

I LOVED Dean just casually walking up to Rollins in the opening segment and standing there like random fan guy.

I can't wait for Orton to turn face so we won't have him in any more Authority matches. Seriously, how is Jacobs doing all this? He's gotta be close to retirement, right? Not that he's out of shape by any means. Also, how does anyone not ask him how his brother is doing? THAT would make for a great Heyman promo.

Organic fruit, indeed.


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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
Orton, Kane, Rollins, and Cena all wore black gear in the main event. Miz now wears all black. Sandow does too. STOP THIS.

I actually feel bad for Sheamus for treading water in this feud. He's better than this. I like Miz usually, but he's the least likable of the trio, and the angle hinges upon him. It doesn't work. Break off Sandow and pair Miz with Dallas. That seems like a better fit.

I get the marketing advantage of bringing out Rock unexpectedly (ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN THE WWE) but what percentage of the TV audience tuned in because they read about him on Twitter? 5%? 10%? Seems like they should have advertised him last week.

And Rock was his old Rocky self. Was it the trick of the light or is he sporting silver stubble? Looked good either way. But he famously hung up his boots after losing to Cena (and tearing an abdominal muscle) so I don't see him coming back to work a match against a guy with Rusev's size and experience. All he did was offer a number of chants for the audience to ape for the remainder of Rusev's momentum. Even Edge applauded it on Twitter during his shilling of the post-RAW E&C special.

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.56
It's kind of fascinating to watch Scumbag Dean Ambrose swim upstream against the attempts to rebrand him as Nerf Dean Ambrose. You know when someone has a licensed toy line and they run out of figures to sell, so they start giving them jetpacks and missile launchers and other things that don't really make sense for their character? Like, here's The Flash, with his motorcycle! Ambrose with green slime suitcases and shooting bottles of mustard and ketchup feels like they're doing that with him to make him more friendly with what they think their audience is, when the Ambrose that people already like would have just disfigured Kane by throwing a pan of hot hot dog water in his face, and the show would have been better with two hours of Ambrose actually going to Coney Island and fighting the Baseball Furies along the way instead of coming back for some more messy hinjinx. Why does The Flash need a motorcycle?!

But man, do I like the little things Ambrose does. Like pushing back his jacket, gunsinglinger style, to reveal the mustard and ketchup holsters. And the off-kilter way he strutted over to get in Cena's face at the top of the show. A guy who is staying on script while making it look like he's always seconds away from veering off-script is pretty much exactly what a professional wrestler is supposed to be, isn't it?

I don't really have any problems with The Rock thing beyond wondering what, if anything, this does for Rusev. I mean, it'd be nice if WWE The Rock was closer to super-cool Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, but this is what the character is, and if I'm going to worry about some of the problematic social aspects of wrestling (of which there are legion), I'll probably still start with the owner who has all sorts of crazier, crushed-leaf-based hang-ups or his daughter who books herself into angles where women just call each other "bitch!" repeatedly before I worry about the dude who shows up once a year. Like, yeah, I'd like The Rock better if he was being an amazing asshole in different, less sexually-problematic ways, but I've been watching for so long through way, way, way more problematic stuff, so Popeye saying "Lady, you got a stick up yer ass!" to an Evil Russian Cartoon is hardly the place that'll makes me finally draw the line.

As for Rock naming all the boroughs, that kind of multiple-point run-on story is his schtick now (picked up subconsciously, I think, from late-period Austin...SECRET HANDSHAKE BUDDIES!), plus I assume they were vamping for time to have him take up as much of NFL halftime as possible.

Really impressed with the state of medical affairs today that Roman's doctors were able to predict so accurately that he'd be back "between numbers 26 and 30 in the Royal Rumble".

I continue to largely not care about anything else on the show (appreciating what Sandow is doing and the crowd instantly going so hostile on Kathie Lee and Hoda that they had to turn up Rose's theme aside), which is probably the biggest problem in the company.

For whatever it's worth, my Network subscription ran out this weekend and I'm in no hurry to re-up. A hot finish to a Rollins-Ambrose blood feud in the Cell might have sold me, but Reigns beating Rollins and Cena pushing his way into the feud has taken away some of that luster, and the worst case scenario of a Cena-Ambrose non-finish leading to a three-way in the Cell with Ambrose turning is juuuuust possible enough that I'm in the "wait until the Rumble to jump back on if at all" camp so that I'll be able to subscribe again just in time to get mad at Reigns winning.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.73
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    and the show would have been better with two hours of Ambrose actually going to Coney Island and fighting the Baseball Furies along the way



Oh man, now that's a WWE movie I would buy on dvd. They could remake The Warriors movie with Ambrose playing the Swan character. Orton could be Ajax who always wants to fight rather than run. Miz could be the weaselly evil Luther. You could have all the divas as Lizzie gang members. Zack Ryder could be the leader of the Orphans and continue to get no respect from anyone.

And of course Booker-T as Cyrus.

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Why have the Wyatts been taken off camera? If they're breaking them up, then shouldn't they be showing up separately and, y'know, having matches? I have a feeling that the main event at Hell in the Cell is going to end with the lights going dark and one or more of the Wyatt Family standing in the ring to begin a feud with somebody.

This would be an ideal time to bring Batista back. Plug him into a feud with Brock that could last until the Rumble. Would buy the WWE some time to figure out who Lesnar should eventually drop the title to.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.38
    Originally posted by Stansbury Alum
    Why have the Wyatts been taken off camera? If they're breaking them up, then shouldn't they be showing up separately and, y'know, having matches? I have a feeling that the main event at Hell in the Cell is going to end with the lights going dark and one or more of the Wyatt Family standing in the ring to begin a feud with somebody.

    This would be an ideal time to bring Batista back. Plug him into a feud with Brock that could last until the Rumble. Would buy the WWE some time to figure out who Lesnar should eventually drop the title to.


I'm guessing they know they handled The Wyatts so poorly the first go around that they are giving the characters a much needed breather and reset. Rowan and Harper get to have more of an active part in the group and hopefully Bray gets to be a little less preachy.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I'm guessing they know they handled The Wyatts so poorly the first go around that they are giving the characters a much needed breather and reset. Rowan and Harper get to have more of an active part in the group and hopefully Bray gets to be a little less preachy.


Seems like a bad time to take away three popular guys (heel or face) after also losing Reigns and Jericho. But if this means we get renewed focus on Ziggler, I guess I'm OK with it.



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    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    It's kind of fascinating to watch Scumbag Dean Ambrose swim upstream against the attempts to rebrand him as Nerf Dean Ambrose.


Yes. My thoughts during last night were simultaneously 1) how great Ambrose is at making the most of these hijinks and 2) how frightening it is that WWE's mindset for how to enhance a guy is by brainstorming the best Fun Loving Pranks with which for him to entertain the Universe. Thankfully the prankz still mostly fit into Ambrose's affable sociopathy, even if the true superstar version of Ambrose fills Seth's briefcase with anthrax, not Gak (tm).

I was actually disappointed that Reigns wasn't doing an interview in front of the crowd. I was very curious about a possible early prologue to the anticipated upcoming Bootista Experiment.

I don't think Rock hurt Rusev at all -- Jack Swagger got the best of him in half their confrontations -- but I too would've much rather seen the Rock do his schtick with Miz+dow or Bo.

The crowd responding to Adam Rose's "it's party time..." invocation with SCORNFUL SILENCE was a David Brent cringe-level seat squirm moment, but it was a just action.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    I guess since Brock's last fight was a failure, him crawling back to the WWE is more humbling for fans than Rock who doesn't need this third rate show


LOL Rock came back to WWE when he fired his agents after he made Tooth Fairy and wanted to take his career in a more testosteroney direction.
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It's weird how some of you have are hung up on Rock's words to Lana and Rusev. So he made fun of Rusev's genitals and called Lana a hoe, yeah I miss the Attitude Era too here's a blast from the past.

He would stop doing it if it stopped working, but The Rock is untouchable with what he can say at this point. When LBGT activists and FEMEN start demanding an apology then maybe he should change things up, but it's probably something you should let actual women and homosexuals, who can be very vocal about any offense against them in media if they want to be, worry about it.

That Mike Tyson jacket was sweet tho. Like Dolph Ziggler hurricanrana into a sleeper sweet.



Cole: "Yeah, thanks to Kane. You should buy Kane a Rolex watch for what he did for you."
Rollins: "Oh don't be silly, Kane doesn't wear watches."
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    He would stop doing it if it stopped working, but The Rock is untouchable with what he can say at this point. When LBGT activists and FEMEN start demanding an apology then maybe he should change things up, but it's probably something you should let actual women and homosexuals, who can be very vocal about any offense against them in media if they want to be, worry about it.
FEMEN?

(googles)

...oh. Anyway.

I think that if I was a gay dude, I wouldn't try to launch some protest against WWE, I'd just quit watching. I base that on not having watched Raw in a month because I was tired of thinking "golly, I don't enjoy this." I'd protest if I thought there was anything to be done but I think the easy explanation is they just don't want me as a fan.

So I can't speak to what Rock specifically said this time out, but just in general, I think the gay jokes and slut jokes are lazy, mean-spirited, and unnecessary. It's not like Rock isn't a charismatic and talented guy; he should be able to come up with something else.



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