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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.61
Sweet merciful Jesus..........

The rest of the show is pretty much inconsequential, because that Bellas segment with Jerry Springer is easily the worst segment of the year and possibly one of the worst segments I've ever seen. It might have given me syphilis and gonorrhea just by watching it. It was THAT BAD!

Just.........AHHHHH!!! How do these Bella segments keep getting WORSE??? And you KNOW it's not going to end, because it's somehow going to end in Bella vs. Bella for the Divas title, because FUCK actual hard-working people like AJ and Paige that can actual wrestle worth a damn. Nope! We gotta keep the Total Divas freak show parade going! It's MADDENING! AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

I'm sure there was a wrestling show in here somewhere, but hell if I'm gonna talk about it. You guys go ahead. I'm going to guzzle down some whiskey.

(edited by It's False on 8.9.14 2241)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.01
Paul Heyman nearly turned Cena heel without Cena saying a word. Awesome promo by Heyman. I wonder if he writes his own or somebody does it for him and he just "Heyman's it up".
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.69
This is the third port of this thread.

I understand the show wasn't the best. I understand that the Bella segment was the worse.

But I find it hard to believe that it took three posts until the slice of heaven that was the NXT tag match got mentioned. A great showcase of all four men (and of NXT as a whole), but Adrian Neville received the biggest piece of said showcase. Especially great was the front few row's reactions to the Red Arrow aka "why Evan Bourne was made redundant far before he was released". People had no idea what they just say. Even the commentary was great for the whole match, ESPECIALLY when Neville came in and started doing living the gimmick. The Man Who Gravity Forgot, indeed.

Can't wait for Thursday.

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
I timed that match. They got 4'23" - now I DIDN'T time the 'dusts/'dores match but I bet it was pretty close. I LOVE that they had an NXT showcase but (a) as soon as they knew they weren't killing the crowd, they should have gone twice as long and (b) they should be doing segments like this EVERY week. It's a THREE HOUR SHOW. At least Sid didn't come out and chokeslam all four of 'em.

As bored as I am with "holla holla" matchmaking, I'm equally bored by "distraction" finishes. Honestly, WWE superstars must be the dumbest sumbitches on the planet because every time some douche walks out during a match, whoever he/she is feuding with almost immediately gets rolled up and/or blindsided by their opponent's finisher to take a "cheap" loss.

Now, having said THAT, Jericho called a hell of a cage match with Wyatt (and you can pretty much see Jericho communicating every spot) given that we all knew Wyatt was going to win - Jericho had some great facial contortions in the very end stages and almost gave the vibe that he was going to shock everybody and be the first man whose feet touched the floor. AND THEN, like a champ, as if putting over Wyatt wasn't enough, he put over Orton in a backstage beatdown. Jericho is too good for this company and it's a shame we've reached another expiration date on his part-time contract.

And on the plus side, at least there were more distraction finishes (2) than "$9.99" mentions (1). I guess that's what makes a "Season Premiere" so special.

Heyman's speech was great as always even if a little Emperor Palpentine-y; Cena's...interesting, technically good, but if he ends up losing at Night of The Champions I won't be able to grasp context out of it. (At the same time, I doubt Creative expects us to remember ANY of these words by the time the PPV is over.)

I was about as excited for Orton/Reigns this time around as I was for SummerSlam but we got the bonus bullshit DQ from run-in finish, another fine chestnut that rewards the viewer for sitting through the entire show. Best part was nobody helping out Reigns - clear payback for him failing to help out Ambrose a few weeks back.

I thought the bunny might have been Justin Gabriel, but he used a splash instead of a shooting star press, so it probably isn't him.

Shoot, Joan Rivers got a nicer In Memoriam package than...I don't know, pick your favourite outrage here.

Still don't think commentators should talk over another nation's anthem, even if it's NASTY PUTIN MOTHER RUSSIA.

Paid to tweet about tonight's show: Pete Rose, Maria Menounos

No Michael Sam - the DVDVR Twitter suggested an invitation should have been made to Ray Rice since they were in Baltimore and all, but I guess there IS a level of notoriety even the WWE doesn't want to touch...

Just which company's motto is "Gambling is just the beginning?" I saw that thing all night and had no idea who was getting the free pub and Google's been no help at all

ALTHOUGH wasn't it great when Dolph Ziggler shared all those pictures of half naked Miz and then shared NO pictures of half naked Maryse? THAT'S NOT HOW THE CLOUD WORKS, DOLPH.

With all this timely commentary, I still think we get a chance of getting some "elevator footage" in next week's show

Mark Henry was reserved for an arm wrestling match for Smackdown - sure, why not.

Brock Lesnar Returns! (next week)

And the Divas did something marginally related to that show nobody here is watching but which is wildly popular, according to press releases - and why WOULDN'T we believe them?

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83

    I thought the bunny might have been Justin Gabriel, but he used a splash instead of a shooting star press, so it probably isn't him.


The bunny head would've probably fallen off with a shooting star. Plus, doing an SSP on the same show as Neville is doomed to pale in comparison.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
Cena said, unlike Undertaker, he returned immediately to challenge Lesnar. That was mildly heelish. Maybe he just suggested the ending of the match?



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
Did Seth Rollins almost get impaled by the spike on the cage as it was coming down or was it not as close as it looked?

Now everyone in the world knows what the setting up of a cage looks like so announcers should be able to announce it and wrestles should be able to get ready or run from it.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.53
So, I was mostly watching football last night, but I did catch the NXT match and the Heyman Promo, both great in my opinion.

But I wanted to see the Jerry Springer thing. But apparently I missed most of it and came in right at the end when Jerry and the two Bellasd were in the ring and the guy came in - JJ Garcia - I guess I am supposed to know who he is - but he is brother to the bellas?

Anyway, the wife is with me and the catfight begins. I must tell you we paid no attention to the rest of the catfight and watched 70 year old Jerry Springer bump for the bellas, for Stephanie and sell it for the crowd. Mrs AWA was quite impressed with Jerry's selling - she said to me - "he's not really hurt right - you said if he was really hurt they wouldn't show it on TV" Ah, so correct. I have trained her well. Back to football.




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
Minus Jericho and Heyman/Cena, this show was just there. I am not sold on NXT showcases, because eventually they will hit a perfect storm of shit crowd and green workers. It worked tonight, not sure if it will work that long.

Reigns getting the defeated hero beatdown was interesting, but took awhile. CRZ is right. Jericho is too good for this company. He busted his ass twice to put two guys over, one of them that needed it and the other who shouldn't need it. It is a shame, he is going to his music, because Chris Jericho, the out of nowhere savior to end the Authority is the best hope to end that fucking storyline.

The Bellas. It is one of the few times, a Bra and Panties match would be a step up in a feud.

(edited by lotjx on 9.9.14 0804)

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Cena said, unlike Undertaker, he returned immediately to challenge Lesnar. That was mildly heelish. Maybe he just suggested the ending of the match?

It can't be shades of grey heel turn kindling because that would require forethought and ambition. Cena said it because, I feel, Cena somehow legitimately believes that statement to be true. He is better than everyone else because he's there every week, 12 years running.

Stagger, I don't think they write anything for Heyman. I imagine that he writes a basic outline of what he's going to say and then he gets it approved by creative. He's Paul Heyman, by far the best promoter and mic worker they have. He is creative, knows how to write tv, and they just don't like him. I imagine Vince cringes every time he sends Heyman out there to talk because he knows that Paul is the best but he refuses to admit it. The only reason why he's still employed is because he makes enough money for wwe to offset whatever backstage headaches he causes the McMahons and their sycophants. Once that balance shifts (again), he'll be gone (again). It's always entertaining to me to hear how much contempt Lawler has for Heyman every time he talks about him.

CRZ hit it on the head; they don't deserve Jericho. Years and years of phenomenal storytelling, match calling, and workmanship even after being screwed over countless times by idiotic decisions. There is no good reason why Jericho isn't the one on the cusp of Flair's record, other than politics and his size.

Speaking of size, and not to derail the Raw thread, but I started watching the newest Countdown on The Network and it's about big men. I believe it's Road Dogg who says something to the effect of "I want to pay to see the monsters, not the guys who look like they pump my gas." Considering his size, he either believes he was never worthy of whatever money he drew or the line was written for him. I believe the latter and that's the biggest problem with the company as a whole. WCW created the blueprint for showcasing undersized superstars but due to Hogan et al, they never got to the Main Event. Instead of pushing Reigns too soon because he has "the look", they could spend that energy on someone like (plug in your favorite non-pushed gas pumper) and create an infinitely more entertaining and quality product. But, hosses.

I firmly blame John Cena for Nikki Bella.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.73
JJ Bella broke into Batista's skinny closet.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.33
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Did Seth Rollins almost get impaled by the spike on the cage as it was coming down or was it not as close as it looked?


He was, yes. Watching it live, when I saw him get halfway under the cage, then stop and pull back, I wondered if it was botched because it sure looked like there was room for him to get all the way in. I thought he'd tried to make his move too early. But yeah, I hadn't noticed the spike on the bottom of the cage. Whoever was lowering the cage stopped it for just a moment, right before it would have impaled him, giving him the chance to back out intact.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
    Originally posted by Stefonics
    I imagine Vince cringes every time he sends Heyman out there to talk because he knows that Paul is the best but he refuses to admit it. The only reason why he's still employed is because he makes enough money for wwe to offset whatever backstage headaches he causes the McMahons and their sycophants. Once that balance shifts (again), he'll be gone (again). It's always entertaining to me to hear how much contempt Lawler has for Heyman every time he talks about him.


Heyman said on Jericho's podcast that he's around because Vince called him to salvage Lesnar's current WWE run after a disastrous outing with Laurinaitis. He's the best/only Lesnar lion tamer they have. He's the Lesnar whisperer.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.67
I flip-flopped between this and the game. Random observations:

If Jericho dives outside instead of diving inside from the top of the cage, he wins. I know they made a point of talking about how Jericho would be better off avoiding Harper and Rowan, but if you're taking a DEATH-DEFYING dive off the top of the cage, you might as well take the one that immediately wins you the match.

Bray literally spilled out of the ring at the finish. I hope that he slipped and it was not designed that way. Also, what in the hell were Harper and Rowan doing while that fight dragged on at the cage door?!

JBL had a point during the Dolph segment, "Who's taking the photos!?" At first I thought Sandow Mizdow, but then he was in the last photo. Speaking of Mizdow, his silent mimicry is growing on me. Miz's explanation for the photos: "they're for medical purposes!" Classic.

To extend JBL's metaphor, Rosa needs much more than a compass. More like a GPS.

Oh and can we talk about the symbolic kissing between AJ and Paige? That was straight out of a mid-90s Bollywood film. Brilliant.

When Orton attacked Jericho in the trainer's room and laid him out, the trainer just popped back into frame after the attack and went on as if nothing happened! Was he in on it?!

Paul Heyman continues to be the only reason to watch the Cena/Lesnar feud on a weekly basis.

Help me with this logic: Cena challenges Brock to a fight next week, and if he doesn't show up, he challenges Paul Heyman to a fight. Surely the easiest way out of this predicament is for both Heyman and Brock to stay home, right? I get suspension of disbelief but the way Lawler acted, gleefully screeching that Heyman was now backed in a corner with no escape route, was plain stupid.

I believe, firmly, that Cena will never turn heel at least as long as McMahon is alive. But the dig at the Undertaker was interesting to say the least.

The NXT Showcase? Yeah baby! I love NXT, IMO it's the best weekly wrestling show out there. CRZ is right, as soon as they saw the crowd buying into them, they should've increased the time allotment. Also proud of Baltimore for starting up an "Ole Ole Ole Ole" chant on multiple occasions.

If I was Nikki and I had the alleged problems with being overshadowed by Brie, what Mommy Bella said would've only served to piss me off further.

Someone already mentioned Seth Rollins nearly getting impaled on the cage spikes, but what was the need to come diving in? Kane managed to open the door quite easily not two minutes later? Why take that chance?!

Cole's grand revelation at the conclusion of the show, "this attack was premeditated!" made me scream obscenities at the TV.

Rant
I've realized that Cole and Lawler actually offend my intelligence, and when it gets too much and I mute them, it improves the overall experience by at least 10x.

Michael Cole is a hyperventilating fucktwat. He can fuck right the fuck off. And take Lawler with him. Please?
/Rant

Feels much better.

(edited by used2bcool on 9.9.14 0946)

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
I completely skipped the Bellas segment and was very glad I did.

On the other hand, there were two REALLY good matches, the opening steel cage match between Jericho and Wyatt and the NXT tag match, even though the crowd was dead as hell for most of it. Once Neville tagged in, though, he woke everyone the hell up. The Red Arrow is an insane-looking move and probably not one he'll be able to pull off for the rest of his career, but while he's able to do it, it looks astounding.

Wyatt/Jericho was freaking awesome too, definitely a PPV quality matchup with a wild finish. Clearly this is Jericho's last match of his 'cup of tea' return, since otherwise they'd have saved this for NoC. I enjoyed the flying cross-body (even though Rollins did it better at the finish of the show), and thought they did a good job of selling the knee injury that will presumably knock Jericho back out of the ranks until he decides to wander back for another paycheck.

I did have to wonder why ORTON was doing the backstage beatdown of Jericho, though. Why him and not one of the Wyatts? It's not like they're feuding.

Other than that, there wasn't really a whole lot to write home about.

(edited by Blind_Guardian on 9.9.14 1112)
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
Barring the Bella thing, which I called out as Wrestlecrap as soon as I got the text a half hour prior to the show, I firmly believe that was an awesome raw. Seriously, take out the Bella segment, or FF through it on your DVR.

The match opening the show was fantastic. Bray Wyatt cage matches will always have that little stipulation about escape being almost null for whoever he faces, but a top-of-the-cage jump from Jericho (after the shrug) was awesome and a way hotter way to open a show than microphone drivel.

Dolph, Miz, and Sandow were spot on and actually given time to develop a story revolving around the IC title.

They took time to develop some of the story of the US Title. Cesaro interrupting the match made more sense than flat out interfering; solo heels don't do that because all heels are insecure. Cesaro/Sheamus might have been done a few times already, I really think they should add a stipulation, like falls count anywhere or even tables, unless they're going to bring a 'Holy Shit' moment out that the feud could really use.

Heyman microphoned John Cena good. Cena's voice broke, and if you've ever watched the Marine, you know he's not that strong of an actor (zing!). Cena also made every counter argument to Cena hate ever in one promo, and he does that rather often now that I notice, but I like that.

NXT dudes made somebody tell me I should watch that since I have the network. Neville was sick. Zane was good too.

Orton = Evil. I get it. Why not have him face Wyatt now?



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.76
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Did Seth Rollins almost get impaled by the spike on the cage as it was coming down or was it not as close as it looked?


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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.79
    Originally posted by Lexus
    NXT dudes made somebody tell me I should watch that since I have the network. Neville was sick. Zane was good too.


Breeze is pretty good too, and Kidd's finally enjoying his first successful character and feud down in NXT. They have a fair number of squash matches on the show, but the main event matches on NXT are usually spectacular. Definitely worth your time, especially since you can skip any segments you don't like.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
I can't help but think John Cena could've used a different term for a sleeveless undershirt rather than "wife-beater" during his promo on this particular day...in Baltimore.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
    Originally posted by Greymarch
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Did Seth Rollins almost get impaled by the spike on the cage as it was coming down or was it not as close as it looked?





Oh wow, I knew it was close, but didn't realize it was that close. That would have been a tragic and very abrupt end to the Season Premiere of RAW to have Seth Rollins taken out by the cage spikes. When he releases how close it is and dives out of the way he has maybe 4 or 5 inches before it goes through his left lung. Hopefully it wouldn't have penetrated that far before whoever was lowering the cage got the "Raise it, RAISE IT!" signal and stopped it from killing one of their best competitors. Boy, imagine how much this show would suck with Rollins AND Ambrose both out.

Though I do have to note that there's a good 4-6 feet of ring in between each spike ... why on Earth would you try to get into the ring DIRECTLY UNDER one of the spikes when you've got that much room to work with? It couldn't have been a planned spot or the announcers would have mentioned that Rollins came within a few inches of dying.

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