There are just too many PPVs. Obviously they aren't going to scale back, but would it be so bad if they went back to having Raw do one then Smackdown do one with the big 4 PPVs being a joint show?
Granted the rosters aren't as deep, but it would help the extend story lines and add value to secondary belts again. It might also be a good way to motivate the writers of the shows to put out a better product. If Smackdown PPVs outdraw Raw, well then the Raw guys better get in gear.
I was just thinking about this when my roomies were watching the latest Eddie Guerrero DVD....I agree with BDL about the split PPVs. You won't burn out guys like Cena or Orton on the viewers by featuring them on PPV, you can go with more extensive TV storylines because you won't have to pay them off three weeks after they're created, and it gives more guys an opportunity for a payday (and to show they can carry the ball). It won't happen though. Not a chance.
Are the rosters really deep enough to do this, though? I thought that was the reason they went away from it. Too many low-level guys making too many PPVs, resulting in too many people saying "Tell me again why I want to *pay* to see Golddust v The Brian Kendrick on a PPV?" Granted, the job of the writers is to make people want that, but with the split brand some matches are still much higher up the card than they really should be, and it affects the buy-rate.
Originally posted by HokienauticAre the rosters really deep enough to do this, though? I thought that was the reason they went away from it. Too many low-level guys making too many PPVs, resulting in too many people saying "Tell me again why I want to *pay* to see Golddust v The Brian Kendrick on a PPV?" Granted, the job of the writers is to make people want that, but with the split brand some matches are still much higher up the card than they really should be, and it affects the buy-rate.
What matches would you consider higher up on the card than they should be? Just curious. And you hit the nail on the head, that if the writers treat guys like Goldust or Brian Kendrick as legitimate threats, then yes, conceivably, people would be interested in seeing them on PPV.
There in lies the problem. If they would stick with a roster for a year each brand would have no choice, but to use everyone on it. You couldn't skate by by not really using Shelton Benjamin, William Regal or Brian Kendrick more.
The only reason this will never happen is that the company can't bring itself to really dominate the market with two brands competing for your attention. Couldn't it be built similar to an actual sports league where you have teams fighting under the same main logo, only Vince McMahon would be the Ultimate Commissioner? Even then we are also trusting that they both end up using the right guys anyways when they have shown little or no desire to regularly do this this with the constant PPV appearances by Kane, Mike Knox, etc.
It almost feels like this could end up being the biggest missed chance for expanding a business ever, because the people at the top are stuck in an era that has passed much like the territory owners before Vince.
The reason I don't think it'll happen is your top draws (Cena, HHH, etc.) won't be on half the PPVs (because they'd be on the opposite brand), and that's just not good business. I can't see Vince missing out on the opportunity to get extra buys by doing this.
I think a lower cost on the PPVs would really increase the viewership. If it's not WM, SummerSlam, RR or Survivor Series, I can't justify paying $40+ for a card that I only *kinda* want to see. If it were $20-$25, I'd gladly pay that and then extra for the big 4.
I can't afford the PPVs anymore. Sorry. I'll buy Wrestlemania, but that's it.
I miss the days of the big four: Summerslam, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, and Wrestlemania...when a PPV was an event, and something to look forward to, as opposed to something that happens every month. Mind you, back then, wrestling was pretty much jobber vs main roster star, and those shows were all syndicated, and the then-WWF held bi-monthly shows at the Maple Leaf Gardens. Ring side seats were $30.
Good lord, I feel old now.
If I were running the show:
1: I'd scale back the PPVs. Seriously. Put on the four big ones, and have five minor PPVs at half the current price. The four minor shows would be brand-exclusive, two for Raw, two for Smackdown, and one for ECW.
I loved the brand split PPVs...and would love to see them come back. Having two months between PPVs will allow for interest in angles to build as opposed to a large scale match partway into it.
2: Between the Royal Rumble and Wrestmania: no PPVs. Put a lot of emphasis on the RR being the precursor to WM, and build excitement through the weekly shows. WM is pretty expensive, anyhow.
3: Hold more PPV quality weekly shows. Make the shows mean more, and maybe the viewership would increase.
I agree with the brand split being a real brand split like it was back in the day. All three shows seem to relay on one another to make a PPV worth happening. Since I only get Raw and ECW now, thanks DirectTV, why should I care about Smackdown matches when I can't even watch the show. Granted, reading the spoilers wishes I could trade Raw for Smackdown, but still if I wasn't someone who went online to read spoilers, I don't know if I could bring myself to buy a PPV that is a third or more of matches with guys or gals I don't watch or could care less about.
At this point, the brand split is a joke. There does not seem to be any competetion between the GMS or wresters against each other, wrestlers have been traded back so many times there is no allegiance to a brand and the PPVs have all the brands on one show. To me, its time to combined the roster, get one world champion and move on. It also doesn't help that not many of us can spend an extra $30 some dollars twice a month, right now.
my computer is causing me fits.I was in the middle of replying to this thread when it crashed. thanks to CRZ for getting me back on the board!
Since most replies since then have echoed some of what I was going to say I will boil it down to a few points.
WWE PPV's often lack the "big time" feel they should. This could be fixed.
1) PPV's are the perfect venue for long matches by the best workers. All PPV matches should be at least 15 minutes. They should average 20 with some going up to 45. There should even be hour long matches 2 or 3 times a year.
2) Ring intros on regular TV should be kept short. Ring intros on PPVs should be elaborate with entourages, Ref instructions, tale of the tape,all the hype.
3) All PPV matches should be either title matches or the payoff to EPIC feuds.
4) Fold ECW and retire the ECW title.Re-mphasize Raw and SD as separate "brands". Reformat Raw as the workrate show; Jericho, Edge, Punk, Haas, Cruiserweights, women who can wrestle - booked but not "written". Rename the Tuesday show as a "RAW" show (e.g."Raw War Zone"). Make Smackdown the Vince and Stephanie soap opera with HHH, Cena, Orton, Khali, Michelle McCool and all the other banana slugs.Make "Superstars" an SD brand show.
5) Revive Brand specific PPVs ( each brand gets 4 a year alternated.) KOTR, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, and WM co-branded. make the brand specifics cheaper than co-branded ones. Wrestle Mania should "last" all weekend. All angles should be structured to payoff that weekend. It would start with SD, then HOF, WM PPV (4 hours with 4-6 HUGE matches and entertainment filler), "special" 3 hour Raw and end with the Tuesday Show.All would feature Championship main events.
6) Bring back the CW championship, those are the best matches anyways. Re-emphasize the importance of all the other titles. Pay serious attention to the women and tag-teams.
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Originally posted by OndaGrandeReformat Raw as the workrate show; Jericho, Edge, Punk, Haas, Cruiserweights, women who can wrestle - booked but not "written". Rename the Tuesday show as a "RAW" show (e.g."Raw War Zone"). Make Smackdown the Vince and Stephanie soap opera with HHH, Cena, Orton, Khali, Michelle McCool and all the other banana slugs.Make "Superstars" an SD brand show.
my reasoning for putting the "soap opera" stuff on SD is because it's on "broadcast" and that's where the target audience for that format is. Having the good stuff on Raw (cable) and later is more fitting to the proposed product; especially if they can kick the Rating back up to TV-14.
Dean: If you're comparing the Benoit angles, Benoit=Benoit, Brock=Raven, Hardcore=DDP. Remember who got the quick push out of that: Diamond Dallas.However, Benoit could go through the Brock Flock with a different finisher to win.