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The week's highest debut belonged to WWE Originals, an entire album's worth of professional wrestlers belting out original tunes. The 17-song disc, which sold 48,000 copies to open at number 12, includes such ditties as "Stone Cold" Steve Austin's "Where's The Beer," Brooker T's "Can You Dig it?" and Kurt Angle's "I Don't Suck (Really)."

Source: E! Online/Yahoo News article

Not a bad number at all. I think J.R. said on RAW Monday that it was going to debut at #3, I don't know if he was talking about the same Billboard chart. heh. It's probably the highest it'll get on the chart.

Anyone know of the sales numbers/chart positions of WWE's other albums? Just curious to see the comparison.



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After reading these numbers....I fear for humanity.



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Rolling Stone said we may already have the worst CD of 2004.





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http://www.billboard.com/bb/charts/bb200.jsp



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.26
    Originally posted by GrubbyLongJohns
    The 17-song disc, which sold 48,000 copies to open at number 12, includes such ditties as "Stone Cold" Steve Austin's "Where's The Beer".


That's not so much a ditty as it is a skit....

Interesting to see that it sold that well, but I guess the allure of hearing bad karoke is too much for people to pass up.



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Checking in with SoundScan ...

  • 09/96 - WWF Full Metal missed the top 200 with first-week sales of 3,800; it peaked at #184 in 10/96 with one-week sales of 6,000
  • 01/98 - WWF the Music Vol. 2 missed the top 200 with first-week sales of 4,100; it peaked at #165 in 03/98 with one-week sales of 7,500
  • 01/99 - WWF the Music Vol. 3 missed the top 200 with first-week sales of 7,600; it peaked at #10 in 02/99 with one-week sales of 78,600
  • 11/99 - WWF the Music Vol. 4 debuted at #4 with 215,000 copies sold
  • 03/00 - WWF Aggression debuted at #8 with 110,000 copies sold
  • 02/01 - WWF the Music Vol. 5 debuted at #2 with 177,000 copies sold
  • 03/02 - WWF Forceable Entry debuted at #3 with 146,000 copies sold
  • 01/02 - Anthology debuted at #13 with 86,000 copies sold

So ... 48,000 (really 48,200) is really not hot in this context. (N.B. those Anthology numbers mean 86,000 three-disc collections were sold -- not 28,666-2/3 times three)

SOURCE: THE WIENERBOARD

Actually CRZ is pretty sure I already gave him these (along with WCW numbers too I'm sure) to put in a recap once upon a time but I've already gone and looked 'em all up again anyway so ... yeah



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    Originally posted by bitchfactor
    Checking in with SoundScan ...

    • 09/96 - WWF Full Metal missed the top 200 with first-week sales of 3,800; it peaked at #184 in 10/96 with one-week sales of 6,000
    • 01/98 - WWF the Music Vol. 2 missed the top 200 with first-week sales of 4,100; it peaked at #165 in 03/98 with one-week sales of 7,500
    • 01/99 - WWF the Music Vol. 3 missed the top 200 with first-week sales of 7,600; it peaked at #10 in 02/99 with one-week sales of 78,600
    • 11/99 - WWF the Music Vol. 4 debuted at #4 with 215,000 copies sold
    • 03/00 - WWF Aggression debuted at #8 with 110,000 copies sold
    • 02/01 - WWF the Music Vol. 5 debuted at #2 with 177,000 copies sold
    • 03/02 - WWF Forceable Entry debuted at #3 with 146,000 copies sold
    • 01/02 - Anthology debuted at #13 with 86,000 copies sold

    So ... 48,000 (really 48,200) is really not hot in this context. (N.B. those Anthology numbers mean 86,000 three-disc collections were sold -- not 28,666-2/3 times three)

    SOURCE: THE WIENERBOARD

    Actually CRZ is pretty sure I already gave him these (along with WCW numbers too I'm sure) to put in a recap once upon a time but I've already gone and looked 'em all up again anyway so ... yeah
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Also, it wasn't first-week sales, it was TOTAL sales. So this is totally different.

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Aww, I love you too. :-*

I know you're trying to get Tough Enough numbers out of me but I can't remember what they got catalogued under. Those bitches are hard to find. You might say they're TOUGH ENOUGH.

(Also I seem to recall that the numbers weren't all that impressive and I don't think they really count anyway)



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The relatively low sales numbers make the ranking a bit deceptive, but colour me very surprised it hit #12. I figured the lowering pop culture influence of wrestling would make this one peak at around 50 or 60, tops.

So does this mean as a tribute, the guy who gets #12 will win the Rumble on Sunday? :)



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    Originally posted by GrubbyLongJohns
    Not a bad number at all. I think J.R. said on RAW Monday that it was going to debut at #3, I don't know if he was talking about the same Billboard chart. heh. It's probably the highest it'll get on the chart.

It was Coach who came out and said he got a source at Billboard that WWE Originals will be at #3 (or 4). Don't know why they'd over hype a Billboard placing jut to make the #12 seem disappointed... Or maybe Billboard just got a hissy fit that their number was "leaked out" and dropped WWE CD to 12 LoL. Ahh the irony.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.25

    Or maybe Billboard just got a hissy fit that their number was "leaked out" and dropped WWE CD to 12 LoL.


It doesn't really work that way since the Billboard Top 200 albums chart is determined by sales only (unlike its singles charts, for instance), and those sales are determined by SoundScan only. So when SoundScan finalizes and releases its numbers in the wee early morning hours each Wednesday, its list of the top-selling 200 albums accurately "predicts" the order of the next Billboard Top 200, for lack of a better way of putting it.

SoundScan has its own genre charts -- electronic, country, hard, alternative, etc. -- which differ from Billboard's genre charts. Again, the criteria for SoundScan is sales only (obviously). FWIW, WWE Originals debuted at #2 on SoundScan's "Hard Music" Albums chart. Yes! #2!!!

Of course, the "#2" alone sounds impressive but it doesn't mean all that much ... just take whatever albums SoundScan would consider "Hard Music" out of the current Top 200 list in order and there you go. For example, Evanesence are #1 on this week's Hard Music Albums chart, as they're #9 on the Top 200 (three places ahead of WWE Originals) and there are no other "hard" albums ahead of them. If Morbid Angel debuted at #56 on the Top 200 behind 55 pop, country, jazz, R&B and hip-hop albums, they'd debut at #1 on the Hard Music Albums chart. And so on.

Now, it's possible that some early numbers were passed along to the WWE and they went ahead with them on-air; it's also possible that they misunderstood the difference between a SoundScan genre chart and the industry-standard Top 200 and figured that, because Billboard charts use SoundScan information, that a #3 (or #2) from SoundScan earns an equivalent chart position from Billboard on at least one of its charts. People tend to assume the only industry outlet that puts out charts is Billboard -- not only is there SoundScan but there's also R&R, CMJ, etc., and they all use different criteria.

Either way, the WWE wouldn't have received any "final" numbers as Monday sales still count toward the week's numbers. It's also been my understanding that the information is collated and processed on Tuesdays anyway (eh but really what do I know). For anyone to go on-air on Monday with purported sales information is pretty irresponsible unless it's clear that their product is selling like 5-to-1 of its nearest competitor and will undoubtedly debut at #1, such as when the press has made those early predictions with 50 Cent, Eminem, etc. It's got to be blatantly obvious.

(edited by bitchfactor on 23.1.04 0351)


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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
The real question is: How did 1985's "The Wrestling Album" do on the Billboard charts? That album is truely, the hight of musical greatness.
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    Originally posted by Toast Jr
    The real question is: How did 1985's "The Wrestling Album" do on the Billboard charts? That album is truely, the hight of musical greatness.
Sadly, they didn't use SoundScan back in 1985. SoundScan started tracking sales at the beginning of 1991, and the "SoundScan era" officially started 25 May 1991, the date on the first issue of Billboard containing a Top 200 LP list based on their data. (They didn't use SoundScan for the Hot 100 singles until November 1991.)

That didn't really answer your question, did it. I guess what I'm saying is that information (PROBABLY) isn't on the 'Net and you'd have to head to the library and dig up some 1985 Billboards - and even THEN, you might not find it. But if you DO, could you also look up "Piledriver?" ;-)

{ EDIT: Hmm, "WrestleMania: the Album" was out in 1993 - I wonder if they have anything we (by which I mean my wonderful wife) can look up }

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Oh right yeah Wrestlemania: The Album. That sold 2,600 in its first week (figures released 8/01/93) and never charted on the Billboard Top 200. The most it ever sold in one week is 5,900.

They've got SoundScan-era figures for The Wrestling Album but nothing else. Someone once told me that pre-SoundScan-era information has been added for a few major artists, but I've never seen that for myself so I don't think it's true.

EDIT: There's a rather informative article by a Goldmine writer about records by wrestling personalities here. It doesn't mention that The Wrestling Album ever charted. Neither does this article by my friend and Rolling Stone cowriter David Basham. Holy shit, I actually edited this story. It MUST be trustworthy!

(edited by bitchfactor on 23.1.04 1834)


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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
Hurrah for allmusic.com! While it doesn't give all the information, I am happy to inform you that "the Wrestling Album" made it all the way up to #84 in 1986, while "Piledriver" peaked out at #123 in 1987.

In 1999 the Koch record label re-released "The Wrestling Album" in a hope to cash in on the wrestling boom that was going on. Perhaps there is some Sound Scan info on this?
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.25
    Originally posted by Toast Jr
    In 1999 the Koch record label re-released "The Wrestling Album" in a hope to cash in on the wrestling boom that was going on. Perhaps there is some Sound Scan info on this?


Yeah, there is. It's not interesting.



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