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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.83
The WWE outstanding PPV streak is over. The CM Punk ****1/2 match streak is over. Daniel Bryan is the WWE champion ... but is he?

With Dusty Rhodes set to appear on Raw, they seemed to set up a Dusty finish in his tribute. The initial ref, Scott Armstrong, was bumped, then later returned to the match with no shenanigans and counted a clean Daniel Bryan win after the Goat 2 Sleep knee attack maneuver. So, it's probably best for business if this 3-count by an unofficial official is stricken from the record.

Paul Heyman pinned CM Punk after Ryback could no longer stand to see Paul bullied and drove Punk through a table. Lots of heat for this. Punk/Big Guy round 2.

I'd call this the first WWE show that wasn't "very good" since last year's Hell in a Cell. Orton/Bryan was the only strong match, and they couldn't manage to get that started until after 10:30. Rio/Dam was the "because we can" shitty DQ. Shield retained their titles in two decent matches. Interestingly, the announcers have started regularly bringing up them putting the Undertaker out of action.

None of this mattered, probably including the WWE title change. The rest of it isn't even worth talking about. Skip it, unless you want to see the comedy of them revealing that Hulk Hogan and Sting dominated fan polls for best WWE and U.S. champion.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    None of this mattered, probably including the WWE title change. The rest of it isn't even worth talking about. Skip it, unless you want to see the comedy of them revealing that Hulk Hogan and Sting dominated fan polls for best WWE and U.S. champion.


I agree with almost none of the WWE.com poll results. Trish is the only one I think is a shoe-in. Hogan has a strong case, but everything else was way off.


Total treading water PPV. They really set up that Bryan's getting stripped or the decision will be reversed. I thought this was a terrible way to end the PPV, legit or not. I think I'd rather have even had Orton going over clean and Bryan letting everyone down to set up a bigger win down the road.

I think Orton should have gone over and the PTP should have won the tag titles. Not quite sure where this whole Shield thing is going at this point and they could afford to lose one of the belts, even if it's just temporary.

I am pretty excited about Dusty showing up tomorrow, though.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.54
I thought the count was fast, which kind of took the crowd out of it and sort of ruined their reaction to the win. Which would also give us a Dusty-finish for COOHHH to use to take the title away. And then he can fire Scott Armstrong. And that will bring out the Road Dogg. Or maybe Bob Armstrong.

There was no way Sting wasn't set up to win the US champion poll (provided it wasn't fixed in the first place). It was like the WWE was ever so slightly flirting with Mr. Borden.

(edited by LostInUbe on 16.9.13 1320)


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    Originally posted by LostInUbe
    I thought the count was fast, which kind of took the crowd out of it and sort of ruined their reaction to the win.



Felt exactly like this. Almost thought they were going to do it immediately after the match in the way Scott counted three. I am having a love hate feeling for it.

Highlights:
AJ keeping her title over the Total Divas cast. The match was nearly a train wreck at times.

DQ Finish, because they can.

Shield, dominant but I agree they probably could have dropped the tag titles to PTP tonight. I think there is substance enough for a decent little program for them.

Heyman's reaction to Punk.

Lowlights:
Everything else is pretty much a write off. If you had prediction in the other thread I figure you may have had a good night.

(edited by jwrestle on 15.9.13 2141)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Trish is the only one I think is a shoe-in.


I love Trish but she can't be the greatest Divas Champion ever when she was a 7 time Women's Champion and never held the Divas Title. The only loophole there is that Michelle McCool unified the Women's and Divas Titles but if you want to be technically correct (the best kind of correct), neither Trish, Lita nor Moolah should have been eligible.

PPV was an expensive RAW. I should have stopped watching after AJ tapped out Nattie and aced the Total Divas. That and Paul Heyman challenging the Big Show for Best Actor Slammy were the only things I really liked. (Bryan winning feels like a swerve about to happen on RAW because of the fast count.)



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
      Trish is the only one I think is a shoe-in.


    I love Trish but she can't be the greatest Divas Champion ever when she was a 7 time Women's Champion and never held the Divas Title. The only loophole there is that Michelle McCool unified the Women's and Divas Titles but if you want to be technically correct (the best kind of correct), neither Trish, Lita nor Moolah should have been eligible.


WWE has the spottiest recognition of their title lineages, but it was assumed in the poll that all WWE/WWF women's champions fell under the "Divas" category.

Also, and this is just my personal opinion, but I take the term "Title unification" quite literally, as in the two lineages are flowing together into one single stream now.

I mean, it's really spotty and even WWE itself isn't the most reliable source. WWE also recognizes all NWA US Champions in their United States Title history, but doesn't recognize all WCW World Champions in their World Title history, which I've always found weird. I also think it's weird that Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle are the "first WWE Tag Team Champions" even though the titles were, again, unified which means their lineages now flow together. Especially since what they called the "World Tag Team Titles" were once referred to as the "WWE Tag Team Titles" as well. I don't really understand why they wouldn't want their tag title lineage to go as far back as it can and really should.

Anyway, WWE is weird.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 15.9.13 2057)
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
This seems like belaboring it, but I read it this way:

Trish Stratus was never a 7 time Divas Champion. She's a 7 time Women's Champion. It doesn't matter if the belt was unified afterwards, she never held that pink butterfly. It's not the championship she won. Whereas say, Hulk Hogan, while primarily a WWF Champion, did hold the WWE Championship in 2002.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.21
Given the likelihood that Daniel Bryan will be stripped of the WWE Title (or have the win stricken from the record books, a la Jericho and Benoit [twice]), I'll hold off on doing my usual "Title Change Update" thingy until after RAW.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
We didn't really need two Curtis Axel matches did we? He is the epitome of a resthold.



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Yeah, there is zero way that fast count holds up tonight. Punk/Ryback is even somehow less appealing than Punk/Axel. The Shield is going to keep winning until they either get their shit together in the tag team division or just start putting main eventers together like Ziggler and Big Show to take them off them. Like, I said before, whoever does beat them, is going to be in for an ass raping online. The WWE has no really good mid-card face, right now.

I think Orton going over clean would have been a worse call. Once, the fans see him as a loser, a loser he will remain. While crappy as this is going to be, it continues the feud where to me, an Orton clean win ends it. And honest to God, did we really need a HHH promo to make himself the cool tweener? The 90s are over, pick a side, asshole.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.42
They are flagrantly copying the McMahon/Helmsey Regime angle, that's the inspiration. Bryan is now taking on the role of JERICHO here, in addition to Foley.

I see the logic in last night;

- Bryan gets a moment, people are happy.

- Bryan gets a huge face promo.

- HUGE HEAT when they reverse the decision.

- Bryan can get a rematch because he was clearly victorious.

- My money is on Armstrong continuing the Rhodes beef, he counted fast for Cody. Armstrongs and Rhodes both have lengthy histories (albeit maybe not with each other), deffo a solidarity moment.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
Did Damien Sandow get lost on the way to the arena? Did his car get a flat tire? Did he miss his flight?

These are the only reasons I can come up with as to why he didn't cash in Money in the Bank after Del Rio was rendered unconscious by the Van Terminator.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74
Pulling a Dusty finish is a reaaaaally dicey way of getting to the "Orton is the champ again" endgame. It'll condition people to never accept a Bryan victory as legitimate, and it's a blow to the paying customer. I'd rather Bryan got screwed in a rematch tonight or something.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.73
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Did Damien Sandow get lost on the way to the arena? Did his car get a flat tire? Did he miss his flight?

    These are the only reasons I can come up with as to why he didn't cash in Money in the Bank after Del Rio was rendered unconscious by the Van Terminator.


When you watch Total Divas, you'll see he has a whole new career as Wedding Announcer. Maybe he was booked for a gig.
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#15 Posted on
Pretty shitty PPV.

The timing issues were ridiculous. Wasting almost 20 minutes on a boring HHH promo to kick things off (that established one thing we already knew and one thing that could have been revealed in a 30 second backstage interview), and adding two bonus matches (one of which featuring a wrestler already booked to wrestle another match later in the show, and another that nobody wanted to see) only to rush through the US and Tag Title matches later in the show in order to start the main event on time was kind of absurd.

The main event, while a good match, made zero sense. The Dusty Finish is likely to do more harm than good, and the way the announcers didn't even acknowledge the fast count made it look like amateur hour.

The Punk/Heyman/Axel match was better than I thought it would be, even if the debut of a new Heyman Guy (The Big Heyman Guy?) was predictable. Punk got a few good matches out of Ryback last year so maybe they can have a good match next month.

Van Dam/Del Rio was an okay match with a really bad finish.

Both Shield matches felt rushed which is a shame as Ziggler/Ambrose was one of the matches I was really looking forward to (on a card that didn't have too many of those).

The Divas match was fine for what it was (content for Total Divas), Kofi/Axel was decent (even it came off as filler) and Miz/Fandango would have been better suited to Smackdown.

The polls were both amusing and kinda depressing.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.62
I'm glad The Ryback stopped that sadistic bully, CM Punk.

As far as the main event is concerned: Yes! Yes! Yes!



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.03
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Did Damien Sandow get lost on the way to the arena? Did his car get a flat tire? Did he miss his flight?

    These are the only reasons I can come up with as to why he didn't cash in Money in the Bank after Del Rio was rendered unconscious by the Van Terminator.


I thought that the precedent was that both participants had to be able to fight when the bell rang?
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.21
TITLE CHANGE STATISTICS

WWE Championship
New Champion: Daniel Bryan
Previous Champion: Randy Orton (28 days; since 9/15/13)
2013 Title Changes: Fifth

This was Daniel Bryan's second reign as WWE Champion. He has previously held WWE's World Heavyweight Championship and the ROH World Championship once each, making him a four-time world heavyweight champion. Bryan has also been the Tag Team Champions (Kane was concurrently the Tag Team Champions) and United States Champion in WWE; thus, he only needs the Intercontinental Championship to win every current WWE title he's eligible for. (That would also make him an official Triple Crown Champion; WWE has yet to recognize the United States Championship as part of the Triple Crown).

Bryan is the second person ever to win both the WWE Championship and ROH World Championship; CM Punk was the first. Samoa Joe and Austin Aries are the two former ROH World Champions who've won the top prize in TNA.

This is the third WWE Title change at Night of Champions. Randy Orton won a Six-Pack Challenge involving champion Sheamus, Edge, John Cena, Chris Jericho and Wade Barrett at the 2010 edition for his sixth WWE Title win. John Cena defeated Alberto Del Rio in 2012 for his tenth WWE Title win.

Bryan's win ended Randy Orton's seventh WWE Title win at 28 days; Orton won the belt at SummerSlam by defeating Bryan. This was Orton's third-shortest reign with the belt. Only his fourth reign, lasting 21 days, and his first reign, lasting less than a day, were shorter. (In the latter case, he was awarded the belt by Mr. McMahon at No Mercy '07, promptly lost it to Triple H, but regained it later that night after Triple H defended the belt successfully against Umaga.)

The belt was vacated the very next night on RAW, marking the ninth time the WWE Title has been vacated in its history:

--1979: WWF Champion Antonio Inoki vacated the title after a rematch with Bob Backlund ended in a no-contest. Backlund went on to regain the title by defeating Bobby Duncum in a Texas Death match. (Note: WWE does not officially recognize Inoki's reign at all.)
--1988: President Jack Tunney vacated the WWF Title after champion Andre the Giant tried to sell it to Ted DiBiase. The belt was put up for grabs in a 14-man tournament, with Hogan and Andre both given a bye into the second round. Their match against one another went to a no-contest, eliminating both men from the tournament; ultimately Randy Savage became the new champion by defeating Ted DiBiase in the final.
--1991: Two successive controversial title changes between The Undertaker and Hulk Hogan (both involving Ric Flair) cause Jack Tunney to strip Hogan of the belt and put it up for grabs at the 1992 Royal Rumble. Flair, despite drawing #3, wins the Rumble to become the new WWF Champion.
--1997: Shawn Michaels forfeited the title due to a knee injury. See also: "I lost my smile." Bret Hart won the belt a month later by defeating Steve Austin, The Undertaker and Vader in a Fatal Four-Way elimination match.
--1998: Vacated after The Undertaker and Kane simultaneously pinned Austin in a triple-threat match. Austin was forced to officiate a title match between Undertaker and Kane the following month; he responded by stunning Undertaker and pinning both him and Kane at the same time, declaring himself the winner. Ultimately, The Rock won a tournament at Survivor Series, last defeating Mankind, to win the vacant belt-- turning heel and joining The Corporation in the process.
--1999: Having been goaded into a title match with WWF Champion Triple H, which he proceeded to win after Steve Austin stunnered him, Vince McMahon vacated the title six days later. The belt was vacant for a further six days, until Triple H defeated The Rock, Mankind, The Big Show, The British Bulldog and Kane in a Six-Pack Challenge match to regain the belt.
--2007: John Cena's third title reign, by far his longest at 380 days, came to a premature end when he suffered a torn right pectoral tendon on an edition of RAW. The title was vacated the following night on ECW on SciFi, and awarded to Randy Orton at No Mercy five days later, leading to the Orton-to-HHH-to-Orton title switch I mentioned earlier.
--2009: Batista defeated Randy Orton in a steel cage match at Extreme Rules for the belt, but suffered a torn left bicep in the process, forcing him to vacate the title a mere two days later. Orton defeated Triple H, John Cena and The Big Show in a Fatal Four-Way match on the following RAW.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.21
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    WWE also recognizes all NWA US Champions in their United States Title history, but doesn't recognize all WCW World Champions in their World Title history, which I've always found weird. I also think it's weird that Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle are the "first WWE Tag Team Champions" even though the titles were, again, unified which means their lineages now flow together. Especially since what they called the "World Tag Team Titles" were once referred to as the "WWE Tag Team Titles" as well. I don't really understand why they wouldn't want their tag title lineage to go as far back as it can and really should.

    Anyway, WWE is weird.



Agreed that WWE is weird. However:

--The World Heavyweight Title is considered a direct spin-off of the WWE Undisputed Title, which was originally represented by the combination of the Attitude-Era WWF Title belt and the "World Title" belt, which was originally the WCW World Heavyweight Title, but it was de-branded after the Alliance lost at Survivor Series.

Shortly after Triple H defeated Chris Jericho at WrestleMania X8 for the Undisputed Title, he was presented a new singular belt to represent the championship. When the brand split took place, the Undisputed Title (and the Women's Title, for that matter) was designated as a belt that members of both brands could compete for.

Eventually the title was won by Brock Lesnar during the early stages of the brand split. While champion, Lesnar signed an exclusive SmackDown contract with GM Stephanie McMahon, taking the title with him, and declining to defend the belt against any RAW competition, least of all RAW's #1 contender, Triple H.

GM Eric Bischoff said that therefore, the Undisputed Title was very much in dispute, and he presented a new championship, the World Heavyweight Title, to Triple H, who legitimized it with a title defense later that evening. The World Heavyweight Title was the exact same belt design as the old WCW World Heavyweight Title. Sometime after Shawn Michaels' reign, it gained a WWE logo at the top.

--The original WWF Tag Team Title belts were renamed the "World Tag Team Titles" around the same time that SmackDown decided to create their own version. Presumably RAW got the "World" label to flow with the fact that they had the World Heavyweight Title.



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I wouldn't call it a "spin-off." (Especially 'cause we're finally free of spinner belts, whee.) A "spin-off" makes it sound like they pulled the WCW World Heavyweight Championshp lineage, currently ensconced in the WWE Championship, OUT of said belt and put it in the new one that looks like the old WCW belt.

They didn't. The WCW lineage is still w/in the WWE Championship.

What they DID is create a whole new world-level title out of nowhere, and just used the image of the old "Big Gold" to physically represent it.

Remember, it IS possible to pull the lineage of a championship out of a belt that said lineage was merged with. That's how the NWA World Heavyweight Championship's lineage goes on, not requiring defenses by anybody wearing the WCW belt (that the NWA lineage used to be mired in in the late 80's and early 90's) in 2001, or any WWE strap now.

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