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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.55
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    A story in the LA Times says DirecTV is considering dropping all WWE PPVs if the network goes ahead as planned. inDemand would have the same option. DirecTV is framing it as WWE buyrates going down and it not being worth their time, but current PPV contracts prevent promotions from undercutting the price of their content on the internet and they don't want to set a precedent there.

    (edited by thecubsfan on 9.1.14 2333)


If you're WWE, I think this is a chance you take. Vince and Hunter can just as easily frame this as the corporate big guy trying to put their boots to their necks, which can not only galvanize their fanbase, but also make for some positive publicity.

And the truth is, buyrates are going down, so is this really that big a loss at the end of the day?




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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
It depends on when they drop it. If they do it before the Rumble, that is going to sting the WWE. Vince can frame it how he wants, but its still revenue lose. I am thinking they will wait til after Mania. That is the biggest PPV of the year and Direct TV would want a piece of that. By that time if Mania goes well for the network, the financial impact won't be that bad. What are UFC's numbers? Are they endanger as well as this a case of Direct TV being pissy?



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.68
    Originally posted by lotjx
    What are UFC's numbers?
Some recent big shows haven't quite met expectations. But they're not doing poorly, and the most recent PPV (Weidman/Silva and Rousey/Tate) appears to have broken 1,000,000 buys. [citation needed]
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Are they endanger as well as this a case of Direct TV being pissy?
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.01
Let's be honest, no matter what happens DirectTV or inDemand is going to voluntarily stop airing a guaranteed revenue stream, especially with WrestleMania coming up.

They can go on all they want about how buyrates are going down but what else is there for PPV? I'm sure people aren't getting movies with the rise of streaming services so what's left?

This is just old media throwing a tantrum because they're losing their iron grip on everything.
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
I have DirecTV and was planning to use it to see Mania. I don't trust a new app with the biggest wrestling PPV of the year. If I can't see Mania via the dish, I'm still thinking twice before planning to see it via the app.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.14
    Originally posted by It's False
    If you're WWE, I think this is a chance you take. Vince and Hunter can just as easily frame this as the corporate big guy trying to put their boots to their necks, which can not only galvanize their fanbase, but also make for some positive publicity.

    And the truth is, buyrates are going down, so is this really that big a loss at the end of the day?


PPV is declining, to be sure, but not necessarily because PPV is a bad business model. UFC does very well, as has been pointed out. Some recent boxing events have actually been record breaking. People will still pay for something if they feel it's worth their money. The problem is that WWE is increasingly a television product; PPV matches are repeated on free TV. They've conditioned the audience to believe that wins and titles don't matter and that stipulations aren't going to be enforced, and flaunted this as an achievement because it somehow symbolized WWE as "entertainment" versus sport, as "action-adventure series" versus pro wrestling.

Now if they get a gigantic TV deal for RAW/Smackdown, that changes things. But will they? They've always been lowballed on RAW, even when the ratings were twice what they are now, because of the perceived low education/income status of the demographic that watches their show. WWE is unattractive to advertisers.

So if they do 600-700 000 domestic buys for Mania in a given year, how many subscribers do they need to offset that gigantic revenue stream. And if people get it, and don't like it, and decide not to renew, and Mania isn't accessible as a standard PPV the following year...then what? It's a lot easier to get some buddies to chip in for Mania than it is to get some buddies to chip in so you can have a six month subscription to a service.

We're all looking at the network from the perspective of WWE fans, many of us lifelong fans. I don't know that there are enough people out there who fall into this category to make the network a success. Even the press conference was touting insane, fictional numbers (45 million homes have a WWE fan or some such garbage). But the network's success will be dependent on real data, not made up data. They need more than the hundred thousand people who get every single PPV, no matter how bad the product is. As awesome as this all looks, what is there that they've presented that is going to convince hundreds of thousands of casual fans to invest?



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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
I haven't even watched wrestling regularly in five years and I'm considering getting in on this.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.01
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I have DirecTV and was planning to use it to see Mania. I don't trust a new app with the biggest wrestling PPV of the year. If I can't see Mania via the dish, I'm still thinking twice before planning to see it via the app.


In their defence, though, I believe they've had PPV streaming via the app for some time now. IIRC, it started out during the Rock/Cena WM so it's not like they don't have any idea of the traffic and server issues.
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.05
    Originally posted by Mr Shh

    But I can jump on/off around six month blocks. I can be a Day 1 subscriber, get everything from WrestleMania through Night of Champions, then jump off until Royal Rumble or thereabouts. All of the good PPVs are in the first half of the year. If every WrestleMania is included, then for the PPV price of WrestleMania, I get WM and 5 other PPVs. That strategy goes out the window if not every WM is included.
Actually, if you are a day 1 subscriber, the 6 month cutoff (8/24) would be just after Summerslam. Better to wait 'til closer to WM and get Night of Champions as well. If you're cheap and patient, that is.

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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28


Is this as much of a no-brainer as it appears on the surface? What's the catch? I am always hesitant when something seems to good to be true. As an older wrestling fan forever, who has NEVER purchased a PPV, my 16 year old son is chomping to get this. What bad thing is going to come from this?



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.31
    Originally posted by pieman
    Is this as much of a no-brainer as it appears on the surface? What's the catch? I am always hesitant when something seems to good to be true. As an older wrestling fan forever, who has NEVER purchased a PPV, my 16 year old son is chomping to get this. What bad thing is going to come from this?


Doing the math, you won't have a real time PPV for February and March. Other than that, I am not sure.



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by pieman
      Is this as much of a no-brainer as it appears on the surface? What's the catch? I am always hesitant when something seems to good to be true. As an older wrestling fan forever, who has NEVER purchased a PPV, my 16 year old son is chomping to get this. What bad thing is going to come from this?


    Doing the math, you won't have a real time PPV for February and March. Other than that, I am not sure.

The network goes live four days before the end of February.

I really don't see a catch. Even if they somehow don't deliver everything they promised, $60 seems like a decent gamble for the consumer.



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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.68
    Originally posted by pieman
    What bad thing is going to come from this?
Well, it could kill off the entire company.

Fantasy booking the worst-case scenario:
- The network announcement has happened and, as expected, it was very well-received.
- DirecTV has already hinted at pulling WWE PPV events due to contractual reasons. Let's say they do and other providers follow suit. And let's say that, to send WWE a message, this starts with the Royal Rumble. That's a big revenue hit. This could also impact people in countries outside of the US where the network isn't even available.
- Wrestlemania rolls around and the network servers can't handle the demand. Many fans don't even have PPV to fall back on. Due to network issues and the lack of PPV providers, the live showing of Wrestlemania is essentially unwatchable in the US (not counting illegal means, which have their own drawbacks). WWE takes a huge PR hit, causing a major lack of confidence in the network. This could also lead to refunds to people who bought the network specifically for Mania, and to people who still have PPV access who had to order the PPV because the network stream was down.
- Meanwhile, on the TV front, the expected bidding war for Raw and Smackdown doesn't happen. Maybe networks see WWE's fight with PPV providers and want no part of it. Maybe WWE just gets less interest from networks than their TV ratings should merit, as has perpetually been the case. Doesn't matter why.
- With network subscriptions not being renewed due to the Wrestlemania debacle, and a lack of interest from networks for Raw and Smackdown, WWE moves its flagship shows to the network.
- From there, it's a slow but steady decline. Nobody's going to buy the WWE Network who isn't already a fan, and with no shows on TV, WWE has no way of attracting new customers. Overall network subscriptions slowly fall as some fans inevitably leave and there are no new fans to replace them. Cutbacks and layoffs keep things going for a while.

Having said all this, it's just as possible that none of the above happens, and the network draws in enough lapsed fans to usher in a new boom period of sorts. Or they could end up anywhere in between. It's going to be really interesting to watch this play out.
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.05
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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.14
MLB.tv is a mature streaming platform that I've subscribed to off and on over the last 7 years. The I.T. side should be handled. There is no way that WWE has more people that will want to hit the servers (during a non-baseball season) than MLB has total. WWE should have the full attention of the MLB folks until the spring training games start streaming, and even then I doubt their volume picks up until opening day...




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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.68
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    MLB.tv is a mature streaming platform that I've subscribed to off and on over the last 7 years. The I.T. side should be handled. There is no way that WWE has more people that will want to hit the servers (during a non-baseball season) than MLB has total.
I don't know anything about MLB.tv or baseball ratings, so these are honest questions and not me trying to start internet fights. Does MLB.tv have playoff/World Series games? I assume that an average baseball game would have way more viewers than the average WWE show, but would MLB.tv have anything that's likely to cause as much of a spike in traffic as Wrestlemania will?
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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
Do bar franchises like Hooters or Buffalo Wild Wings host Mania screenings? Would they just use the app to broadcast it?



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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.35
    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by Guru Zim
      MLB.tv is a mature streaming platform that I've subscribed to off and on over the last 7 years. The I.T. side should be handled. There is no way that WWE has more people that will want to hit the servers (during a non-baseball season) than MLB has total.
    I don't know anything about MLB.tv or baseball ratings, so these are honest questions and not me trying to start internet fights. Does MLB.tv have playoff/World Series games? I assume that an average baseball game would have way more viewers than the average WWE show, but would MLB.tv have anything that's likely to cause as much of a spike in traffic as Wrestlemania will?


MLB.TV broadcasts playoff/World Series only to international markets. If you're in the US, you're generally stuck with the normal TV broadcasts, so it's not as high demand.

MLBAM handles the back end for a lot more than MLB.TV though. Let's go to wikipedia!


    MLBAM distributes all of ESPN’s online video, including the BCS Championship game, and it serves up all the March Madness live games for Turner and CBS. MLBAM is also an elite "app" maker. It keeps enhancing its bestselling At Bat and adding new platforms (Xbox and the Amazon Kindle Fire) to its growing roster.[4]

    MLBAM also runs and/or owns the official web sites of Minor League Baseball, YES Network (the television broadcaster of the New York Yankees), SportsNet New York (the television broadcaster of the New York Mets), the World Championship Sports Network,[5] Guns N' Roses, and rehearsals.com.[6] It also provided the backend infrastructure for The Blaze TV, CBS Sportsline's March Madness on Demand service, and the WatchESPN service


WrestleMania might use more bandwidth than the national championship game, since that was a prime time event where most people could watch it at home (though they were pushing the idea of second screen video angles strongly leading up to the broadcast.)

March Madness, the NCAA basketball tournament, is probably the best comparison. The games on the first couple of days happen during normal working hours, with a significant amount of people streaming from work or other locales. No one game is going to be as big as WrestleMania, but they're frequently streaming 3 or 4 games at once (both TV and seperate radio broadcasts.) Those games are prone to big traffic spikes on a feed if a game comes down to the buzzer. It's a lot of bandwidth to move and I can't recall them having anything more than hiccups in the past few years.


    Do bar franchises like Hooters or Buffalo Wild Wings host Mania screenings? Would they just use the app to broadcast it?


Bars are supposed to go thru a different process for ordering PPVs - it's much more expensive because they're using it as an attraction. It's DirecTV/inDemand's job to make sure bars aren't getting around it now, but it would seem like WWE's problem going forward.




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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
The press release-ish story on WWE.com makes mention of a "free one week trial"

http://www.wwe.com/​inside/​wwe-​network-​to-​launch-​feb-​24-​26174061

    Fans can subscribe to WWE Network beginning at 9:00 a.m. ET on Monday, February 24, at WWE.com, and for a limited time will be offered a free one week trial.


That free week would answer a lot of my questions about available content. Sure, they mentioned ECW and WCW, but whattabout World Class and Mid-Atlantic?

The original rock music question about ECW would also directly affect World Class footage. I get all tingly thinking about hearing/seeing entrances with "Stranglehold" and "Freebird" in the background.

And if Jesse's commentary is back, does that mean we could get the bulk of SNME, eventually? Only about 2 or 3 episodes of that series aired on "WWE Classics on Demand" over the course of about 5 years.



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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.74
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Bars are supposed to go thru a different process for ordering PPVs - it's much more expensive because they're using it as an attraction. It's DirecTV/inDemand's job to make sure bars aren't getting around it now, but it would seem like WWE's problem going forward.



Specifically, they have to pay the equivalent of close to full price * the occupancy of the location. We looked into getting Wrestlemania at a bar once and it was going to cost a few thousand dollars.
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