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From the Wikipedia page:

Ric Flair defeated Carlito in 15:35, making him submit to the Figure-Four Leglock

Bobby Lashley d. Shane McMahon, Umaga and Mr. McMahon in an ECW World Heavyweight Title match (1:14), with Bobby pinning Shane; however after the match, Vince announced the title would not change hands because he had not been pinned

CM Punk d. Elijah Burke (16:51) after a GTS

Randy Orton d. Shawn Michaels (4:31) when the referee stopped the match after Michaels collapsed

The Hardys d. Lance Cade and Trevor Murdoch (15:03) to retain the World Tag Team Championship; Jeff pinned Cade after a Twist of Fate from Matt and a Swanton from Jeff

Edge d. Batista (10:38) to retain the World Tag Team Championship; pinning him with a schoolboy roll-up

Montel Vontavious Porter d. Chris Benoit in two straight falls of a best-of-three-falls match to win the U.S. Championship (pinning him at 8:13 after a Playmaker, and at 14:10 with an inside cradle).

John Cena d. The Great Khali by submission to retain the WWE Championship (8:15); he made Khali tap out to the STFU



OK, first off, he made Khali tap out to the STFU? STFU! And he did it in just a little over eight minutes, too, after all that buildup?

I'm as much of a Benoit mark as the next guy, but I'm glad to see MVP get the title; I really think his gimmick has been thus far to intentionally make himself look bad as a wrestler but now he's showing us his true ability.

Great, we have to endure another month, at least, of Vince as the ECW Champion. At least there's no one left around to really, y'know, care.

Granted I don't know all the details yet (as I didn't see the show and only have the Q'n'D results), but if Murdoch and Cade weren't gonna show their true colors in this match with the Hardys, I'm confused as to why they've been so well-behaved.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.51
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    OK, first off, he made Khali tap out to the STFU? STFU! And he did it in just a little over eight minutes, too, after all that buildup?


I'm not sure Khali is physically able to be FU'd. Lifted yes, but flipped, dunno. I think going more than 8 minutes would've been asking a lot of these guys too. I would figure this is the best possible way to do that match.
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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Great, we have to endure another month, at least, of Vince as the ECW Champion. At least there's no one left around to really, y'know, care.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.30
This was pretty good. No great matches with the probable exception of Benoit/MVP (loved the knee work, loved that the knee was important in pretty much every part of the match, loved the sweep), but nothing offensive, and everything was entertaining. Cena is officially a top-tier worker, after pulling out a miracle out of Khali. The crowd was terrible though, which made all the matches seem less than they really were.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.72
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      OK, first off, he made Khali tap out to the STFU? STFU! And he did it in just a little over eight minutes, too, after all that buildup?


    I'm not sure Khali is physically able to be FU'd. Lifted yes, but flipped, dunno. I think going more than 8 minutes would've been asking a lot of these guys too. I would figure this is the best possible way to do that match.


First off, what build-up? It was like 3 weeks. Khali beat everyone up and chokeslammed Cena. Next week he bested him again and the same the next. Which translates to like 3 shows. And comes down to not even a full hour televised build-up. Not even 30 minutes!

It was a throw-away match plain and simple, and that was stated on these boards from the start. Not that anyone has (yet), but I don't see how anyone can complain about the match or say something bad about Cena or how stupid it is that Cena "always overcomes the odds."

No one wanted to see this be a long match. No one wanted to see Khali champ. No one wants to even see Khali period -- and now maybe they won't. What's to complain about?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.93
This was Undertaker's PPV to Main Event, probably with a big gimmick match so Cena and Khali somewhere below on the card probably seemed like a better idea.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.46
I passed on the upper deck, $20 seats and decided the show wasnt going to be that strong. I thought the only decent matches would be MVP/Benoit and Orton/HBK. I would have been wrong.

And, Michaels collapses? Any story there? (I didnt bother getting the PPV either)

EDIT: Went to the observer site and read the backstory. So, I miss an appearance by the lovely Mrs HBK?



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.30
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I passed on the upper deck, $20 seats and decided the show wasnt going to be that strong. I thought the only decent matches would be MVP/Benoit and Orton/HBK. I would have been wrong.

    And, Michaels collapses? Any story there? (I didnt bother getting the PPV either)

    EDIT: Went to the observer site and read the backstory. So, I miss an appearance by the lovely Mrs HBK?



    (edited by StaggerLee on 20.5.07 2227)


She was quite lovely in appearance. Let's hope it's her only appearance.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.53
I liked the show. All four of the 14+ minute matches were very good and the Cena match was as good as can be expected.

There were a few oddities though: the 2-0 sweep in the three falls match, Joey Styles calling three different moves the "Elijah Experience", the fact that Cole & JBL were calling the RAW tag title match, Edge TOTALLY no-selling Batista's spinebuster, Tazz being OK with Vince as champ (unless I totally missed a Tazz heel turn).

I must say I loved Murdoch yelling "we're playing by the rules!"
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.62
> No one wanted to see Khali champ

Err, lots of us Indian marks were hoping that he would get a Yokozuna style run as champion. Well, it was not to be. . :-)
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I dug the show a bunch. Not as good as last years blow away great Judgment Day. But still. This is the write up from Segunda Caida:

Judgment Day

PAS: I made a shitload of money in Karaoke bribes last night, so on a whim we decide to get this PPV.

TKG: I found a twenty on the street and told Phil, yeah go ahead spend your money.

Ric Flair v. Carlito

PAS: This was shockingly good. I mean no reason for anyone to expect this to do anything but suck, Flair maybe old and semi shot but he can still deliver on PPV. I really liked the kind of story they were telling here as Flair had been trying to inspire Carlito to show some fire, but it took Carlito turning on him to actually do it. Aggressive Carlito was fun, I liked how he kept moving forward, while Flair spent most of the match trying to keep him off of him. Flair doesn't do a lot of things anymore, but everything he does looked great. He landed some beautiful straight right hands, his chops were brutal, and the chop block, stomp on the knee, knee to the knee, figure four combo looked like it should have ended the match. This felt like it went a bit too long, as they seemed to lap themselves a bit. They did the Flair gets armbared, fights through the pain to throw an east coast armdrag, then takes over with chops sequence twice. It is a great sequence, but it really was repeated.

TKG: They intro Carlito as "From the Carribean"...Afraid that there are too many Puerto Rican's in St Louis? So the story on Carlito is he sucks as an X-division babyface especially since he works an X-division babyface who is doing Kevin Nash " I am cool and indifferent" gimmick. He's a lot better off working as heel. He had a couple of questionable looking bits of heel offense. Him saying "ask him ref" for a keylock is goofy. He released the hammerlock before the hammerlock slam but that ended up making it look like it hit the shoulder so that was fine. His lariat was a Pierroth of Puerto Rico style lariat that hits right at the chest (instead of throat) but hits hard enough that it just looks like a nasty strike. But his timing was consistently good and even the questionable stuff ended up looking good, and I liked all his heel dropkick stuff. I think they only did the Flair powers out of keylock with hiptoss sequence twice. So it didn't feel like it lapped itself so much as the second time it was bigger deal. First time it was holy shit ďthatís awesome" spot, the second time it was a "now he's in position to mount an offense" spot. Phil covers allot of the Flair stuff but my favorite thing is Flair can no longer do the rolling knee to the face as well as he used to, so he replaced it with just stomping the flat of his boot right on Carlito's face. The end where Flair struggles to raise his own hand was sweet.

Vince McMahon/Shane McMahon/Umaga v. Bobby Lashley

TKG: Did I miss the WON where they explained why vain Vince McMahon is wrestling with a shirt on? I mean it's Vince. Is he dying? Does he have the AIDS? Is he considered talent? Does he participate in the "wellness program"? No way that cokehead gets tested. He's wrestling with a shirt on. Maybe itís a tribute to ECW authenticity. Guy with title has to wrestle with shirt on. His ill fitting boot cut pants could have passed for Sandman style Tubas. Yeah that makes sense; Vince represents the true spirit of ECW...no wellness testing for him. The fat backyarder in the hockey jersey really is an accurate representation of the true spirit of ECW too. Fat backyarder, druggie and Samoan in a three on one match for ECW title feels like a legit ECW booking. The shitty finish feels authentic too. Lashley is too cut to be authentic ECW and there really wasn't enough horseshit in the match. Where's Linda to dyke out and then go through a table?

PAS: This was a nothing match, but they are doing a nice job of making the matches I don't want to see short, and giving everything else way too much time, so god bless them.

C.M. Punk v. Eljiah Burke

PAS: Inexplicable match. My guess is that C.M. Punk was showing everyone backstage his Samoa Joe series again. Talking up how great he is. Mike Graham must have been backstage taping one of those legends roundtables. "I remember when Pillman was running his mouth like this, give this Brooks kid 30 minutes on PPV with that green black guy who throws punches, we will see how good he really is." Is there any other explanation for this going this long? This is a secondary feud from your tertiary show. It almost felt like an IWA-MS match where it would have been good if it was ten minutes shorter. They did have some cool stuff and your finishing run was pretty good, with some nice near falls. I just watched an Ultraman match followed by a Kelly Pavlik fight, so body shots and combinations wouldn't normally impress me, but Burke's looked really good.

TKG: This was actually saved by going long. Started really mediocre. For smart guy without a ton of physical gifts and taped ribs I'm not sure if the first ten minutes were laid out as well as DDP would. For black guy with good combinations Burke doesn't really impress me as much as OJ did. And watching first ten minutes, I imagine that OJ and DDP have had better matches on Korean Air Force bases. Opening kicker vs. puncher stuff wasn't much. The match gets good for a bit and then for some reason they have the babyface put the heel in a long headlock, then it gets good again. I mean it goes from bad to good to bad to good. You do sense that the length of time was meant as a taunt, but the length is what made it work. The big complaint I had about the Batista vs. Undertaker Mania match was that the big near fall tease of finish finishing run felt really thrown on and artificial. Match wasn't building toward that and felt like a desperate attempt at pops that the match didn't need. With CM Punk v. Burke it really felt like the match was building toward a near fall end run and the crowd responding to it made sense. When CM Punk went to top rope for superplex I did briefly think he was going for Pepsi Plunge...ROH now has contracts, that would be a spectacular way to get yourself fired from WWE. I mean CM Punk is this straight edge indy guy, what's he doing in WWE? Fugazi never signed with Capitol.

Shawn Michaels v. Randy Orton:

TKG: Phil tells me that HBK is supposed to be selling a concussion. It looked to me like he was just trying to recreate one of his 90s era no condition to perform house show performances. I've fallen on my head before and I've snorted lines off past out girls' cooters before. He wasn't selling the former.

PAS: At least we didn't have to watch a long Shawn Michaels match. It seems a little divaish to run your injury angle on PPV. Run it on RAW so I don't have to pay for it. No long Helmsley matches in addition to no long Michaels matches means I am going to be wasting more money on WWE PPV's.

Hardy Boyz v. Lance Cade/Trevor Murdoch

PAS: Them running this match like a lucha Dia de Los Ninos match where the rudos wrestle clean for the kids is hysterical. The three RAW guys are kind of running through their stuff and Matt Hardy who is on stiff ass Smackdown just wastes Cade with a forearm, I mean one of the more brutal forearms I have ever seen. After that Cade and Murdoch sort of wake up and the rest of the match is pretty asskicking. Murdoch is great as sincere babyface, when Matt makes the save, he goes "Hey we're playing by the rules here." I figured this would be the show where Cade and Murdoch get the belts, but I don't mind them running this back in two weeks.

TKG: That Matt Hardy forearm was nasty. I was expecting Cade to end up legit concussed on show where they had a worked concussion angle. At minimum I was expecting him to come up with a busted cheekbone. And when did Matt Hardy get the best back elbow in the biz? I cringed every time he threw it. Cade was wasting folks with lariats and even Jeff Hardys swanton looked like it hit with force. Cade's dropkick was fucking Jindrack beautiful. For a Dia de los Ninos match this was paced well with neat opening section leading to the regroup leading to the big Jeff Hardy bump, etc. Best match on show thus far.

Edge v. Batista

PAS: Ick, this was a total mess. Batista seemed to come in with tuberculosis, as he was hacking and coughing during the opening minutes. In a show, and really a promotion, where everyone is working tight, everything was done really gingerly. It felt like they were killing time to the finish, and outside of the double spear nothing stood out. Worst match on the show, and Edge needs to realize he isn't on RAW anymore and needs to step it up.

TKG: Yikes this was a mess. I remember liking the Christian vs. Batista series...but this uggh.. Why are you booking an undercard face-with-taped- body-part when the title match also involves a face-with-taped-body-part? They also are running this right before MVP v. Chris Benoit where the set up is that Finlay and MVP have injured Benoit's leg. Edge ends up working the arm and his arm work is realy sub Carlito. Edge and Batista do the same spot Carlito and Flair did with armlock reversed into hip toss. It gets no response here. The real chickenshit cheap finish doesn't help anyone ether. The double spear spot was cool but this was worst match on show by a lot.

MVP v. Chris Benoit

PAS: I think I liked this more then Tom. This was really hurt by running the leg injury match before it, but MVP impressed me more then he has before. Benoit clearly led him nicely through this, but all of his semi-goofy stuff was done in context. The leg selling by Benoit was great, and both finishes were niftily set up. It did seem a little one sided which is why I think the crowd was sort of dead. Benoit really got very little offense in, with everything he did getting countered. It would have worked a lot better if you didn't have Flair with an injured shoulder, Punk with taped ribs, Michaels with a concussion and Batista with a taped quad. Too much of the same thing kind of kills the gimmick.

TKG: Montel Vontavious Porter?? Marcus Cor Von? Who's the guy in charge of "Negro Naming"? How hard is it to just call him Toby? Yeah Phil liked this a lot more than I did. MVP had some cool stuff. In first fall, the rolling attack that knocked Benoit down was neat, as was the dragon screw variation, plus the electric chair into Play of the Day reversal was great finish. Second fall he had some neat reversals, nasty leg stuff, and the almost Fuller leg lock style roll up finish was awesome. Still the match was made by the greatness of the Benoit leg selling. But for match built around heel working over Benoit's leg, MVP was never going to come across as violent as Finlay did in the Smackdown match that set this up. Disappointing.

Great Khail v. John Cena

PAS: Wow was that spectacular. I remember when Khali came in, he did this destruction of Undertaker which looked super shitty, as his stuff didn't look violent at all. I think he has improved a bit, but Cena made him look like a total killer. Just taking giant bumps on all of the moves. They weren't Hennig or Micheals style athletic bumps which are all about the bumper, they were the kind of whiplash bumps that make the guy applying the move look like a total monster. Cena is also amazing at timing all of his comebacks, as the crowd went nuts for the catch of the chop, and the shoulderblocks. Khali tapping out seems like a finish of the feud, and I think they could have easily run it back at the next PPV.

TKG: And fuck everything else this was the match of the night. Phil's point about athletic v. whiplash bumps is really made when comparing this to last years Judgement Day. Last years Judgement Day had an Undertaker v. Great Khali match that was worked around Undertaker taking really Michaels style athletic bumps. It was as good of a performance if not better than Michaels vs. Masters. But the match was flat because no matter how much Undertaker flew around, the bumps were about the bumper and at no point did you buy Khali's offense. Cena is a superstar here making all of Khali's stuff look dangerous and hurty. I get the sense that Cena could get Tom Magee a WWE job. Instead of Cena selling everything by flying and doing melodramatic soap actor dying selling, Cena sells each piece of offense like its different from the last. And so instead of remembering athletic bumps you remember Khali's offense: his first lariat, his straight punch, his headbutt, his leg lariat, his elbow in the corner, his leg drop, his second big lariat, etc. What you remember is how devastating it all was. And well Khali is big enough and immobile enough that just having him lift his leg was a surprise. Khali is clearly still delicate as Cena really pulls his stuff more than he has in ages. I also don't know how he's done it but somehow even working delicately Cena has made me like the slingblade. I don't know if it's that Cena has better execution than Tanahashi or if it's that he just has better in ring timing. But I can't stand when Tanahashi pulls that out and I totally popped for it here.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I'm not sure Khali is physically able to be FU'd. Lifted yes, but flipped, dunno.
Apparently, Cena hit the FU on Khali after the dark match that finished up Monday's Raw tapings.



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