Wow...I'm in fucking shock here...The WWE? Are they serious? I really thought they were just going to add the E to the end of WWF. This just strikes me as insane. WWE NY? NO, this is no good. I don't want to watch the WWE. I know it's the same thing in a different box, but I don't like it. This is going to be hard on business too I image. WWE...this is the best they could come up with? Jesus...oh yeah the logo blows too. I saw that a couple of days ago and I thought it was a joke.
Originally posted by Net Hack SlasherI think it's all really hitting hard now, we all heard of this court battle, but I thought (and I'm guessing most here thought) it would just stay in court back and forth for a long long time untill the WWF(wrestling) gives some donation or something to the pandas to shut them up and we all go back to normal.
This is kind of sad, WWF is so ingrain in our sub-culture. When a boxer does something "disgraceful" who's going to scream "what is this the WWF"... When a hockey player takes his lumber and wraps it across a guys dome what's said "that might be acceptable in the WWF but not here" *sigh* WWF initials is such a fixture in violent, unacceptable part of our culture. It's sad to see it go
I look at this like the Leafs or the Yankees or the Celtics getting their name changed. It's just sad
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who is sad about this whole thing. And to think, Hulk Hogan will be remembered forever as the last "WWF Champion." What a shitty way to go out.
That IS sad.
I just went on the WW(sigh)E website and it appears that the world champion will just be called the World Wrestling Champion, no more undisputed.
They need a NEW logo FAST.
Also, I heard that tomorrow the WWE will start a new campaign, sort of like attitude, to get people used to the new name. The name? "Get the F out!" Now, while I find that funny, it won't be the same. Some people say, "They changed their name. So what? Big friggin' whoop! They changed their name from WWWF to WWF in 1982, but still ran the company the same. The company won't change because of a different letter." I say, "IT DOESN'T MATTER!"
They're not just throwing away a name, they're ending the attitude era, or the entire Vince McMahon expansion era, once and for all. We're saying goodbye to WWF Champions like the Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H, Shawn Micheals, Mankind, Bret Hart, Undertaker.
And the letters WWF have become synomous with wrestling. It has been refereed to everywhere (except the Simpsons and Friends, and Malcom in the Middle, and That 80's Show, Frasier, Cheers, all WB shows, etc.) Sportscasters make fun of the WWF, not WWE, not WCW, not ECW, not NWA. The WWF is wrestling whether we like it or not. It was since the end of terroitories in 1982.
And Hogan is the last WWF champion which will be in the record books for all eternally?
*goes in bed and sobs repeateldy.*
(edited by Tha Puerto Rican on 6.5.02 0136)
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God bless the internet.
Well, now I'm convinced that the former WWF is a rudderless boat.
They absorb WCW - a storyline that could have lasted at least a year - and destroy it.
They absorb ECW - and destroy it.
The writing department - a traditional strength of the former WWF - falls apart.
The McMahons put themselves on TV and in major storylines so much that the fans turn on them and run the worst offender (Stephanie) right off of the camera.
The Powers That Be (ie, Vince and his cronies) start booking in the hot-shot, surprise-of-the-night, pay-for-the-pop style that contributed to the demise of WCW.
The former WWF decides to abandon the "WWF" moniker - known worldwide as a kind of shorthand for "pro wrestling" - in favor of an apparently untested replacement, adorned with a logo constructed by taking a 39-cent eraser to the previous logo.
I'm not just opposed to this because it destroys the history of all of the WWF Titles. This means abandoning a moniker with tremendous public recognition. It's like abandoning "Xerox", "Palm Pilot", or "FedEx". Shouldn't the stockholders have a say? I really thought the former WWF would put up more of a fight than this.
I seriously doubt whether this WWE moniker will *ever* catch on. I fear that it will be just another stepping stone on the former WWF's path to irrelevance.
P.S. Many of us referred to the WWF as "the Fed" or "the Federation". What will we use as the shorthand for WWE? "Whee"? "Enter"? "Wenter"?
I'm going twenty-four hours a day...I can't seem to stop - "Turn Up The Radio", Autograph
I don't know about you guys, but I'll still be calling it "the Federation" or "the WWF" or typing WWF/WWFE. The name change is a **brilliant** idea but we can't really blame Vince for this one, guys... blame the damned wildlife people instead. **rolleyes**
BTW: Austin SHOULD stun someone in a panda suit tonight. It's only right.
CRZ NOTABLE QUOTABLE OF THE MONTH: KANE: Triple H...tonight, I will burn the flesh from your body! MICHAEL COLE: OH MY GOD. KANE THREATENING TRIPLE H, SAYING HE'S GONNA BURN THE FLESH FROM HIS BODY! CRZ: Umm, I heard it the FIRST time! -- WWF Smackdown, 9/9/99
I would make sure to mention repeatedly what jerks the WWFund are. Not for any good reason, I'd just like to see the panda-lovers get deluged with angry letters from WWE fans. And on the off chance anyone is both a wrestling fan and a supporter of their work, I'd make sure to cancel my support. I know even though I'm something of a greenie politically, I will never support them again.
"You used it to shove your miserable daughter down our throats week in and week out...not anymore!" - Ric Flair gives me hope, Raw 3/18/02
"I thought it was cool how HHH just tossed Jericho out of the ring and made him vanish, possibly into another dimension, at the end of the match." - Dr. Unlikely says the funniest thing I've ever read on Wienerville
Actually, there is one thing that is still wwf, which is their stock symbol. WWE isn't taken, so it probably won't be long before they change over to that, probably just filling out paperwork to the NYSE.
Hogan: Whatcha gonna do Undertaker when me and all the World Wrestling Entertainment fans run wild on you.
Originally posted by StephanieThis means abandoning a moniker with tremendous public recognition. ... I really thought the former WWF would put up more of a fight than this.
My reaction exactly, Stephanie. Vince must have the worst lawyers in the world if they weren't able to work this out to a better result.
There are several points they should have contested vigorously:
-- how often is the World Wildlife Fund referred to as "the WWF", either by themselves or others?
-- popularity aside, which organization is more known and identifiable in the public mind?
-- how exactly is the World Wildlife Fund hurt by this?
-- why did the panda people wait so long before bringing a lawsuit?
It's also hard to believe that a judge would allow such a seemingly (to me) frivilous claim to inflict potentially disastrous financial consequences on an established business.
The phrase "like the WWF" has become part of the American lexicon of language. That Vince didn't somehow protect himself with trademarks, I don't know about that. And even if the Wildlife Fund beat him to the copyright, there's other ways to come to an agreement that works for both sides.
Originally posted by BDCDo they realize how STUPID that looks?
Not any more stupid than repeatedly bitching about a cosmetic name change that you are all powerless to change and effect. Kvetching and carrying on about this won't change anything.
Actually, your comment would be qualify as being stupider than changing the name to WWE. So because we can't change the name we shouldn't bitch about it? That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard in my life.
It's time to close Wienerville because Papercuts has proclaimed that unless we can actually affect change upon something, we are not allowed to bitch about it because its pointless.
Not having watched the NWA at the time they morphed into WCW, maybe those fans can recall for us what that transition was like.
I don't think most people are going crazy over a name change per se. If they lost a court case and have to change the name, then hey. Can't help that. Where the problem is is the name *they chose.* World Wrestling Entertainment is stupid stupid. It's stupid. It looks like the WWF took the easiest way out, "getting the F out" as someone put it...instead of thinking about what the ramifications of calling their wrestling company Entertainment might mean. So all they had to do was erase some lines out of their logos, instead of having to pay someone to create a new brand name with a new logo. They look like a bunch of cheapskates.
Companies sometimes change their names...when the phone companies merged and became Verizon, nobody went...oh what the hell happened to Bell Atlantic?? I'll never be able to make a phone call!! There was a new name, one that Verizon execs decided would be effective. World Wrestling Entertainment? Entertainment? That's fine if they want to call the umbrella company that. The wrestling promotion, however, should have a wrestling promotion sounding name...one that puts on the air that its an actual league of wrestlers competing for something, not a bunch of wrestling entertainers performing stunts like they're Cirque du Soleil.
I would argue that if we truly wanted to, we *could* attempt to bring about change by letting The Company Formerly Known As the WWF know that we think the name stinks. And the name does stink.
World Wrestling Entertainment? Did they even say it out loud or in a sentence?
Triple H: The only thing that matters to me is that belt. I will become World...Wrestling...Entertainment...CHAMPION!!!
Originally posted by shea -- how exactly is the World Wildlife Fund hurt by this?
They're being associated with professional wrestling, which, by and large, is considered undesireable or a joke in most public and social circles. I'm sure in their opinon, it could potenitally hurt their cause. Imagine trying to solicit donations of any kind. If Suzy Homemaker got a call from someone saying they're from the WWF -- and since, according to you, the WWF is such a part of the public lexicon of pop culture -- 9 out of 10 people are going to think "fake pro wrestling, hang up" you can imagine why they want to change it.
Originally posted by shea-- why did the panda people wait so long before bringing a lawsuit?
They didn't. This has been in litigation for years and has advanced through the court system thanks to appeal after appeal.
Originally posted by shea It's also hard to believe that a judge would allow such a seemingly (to me) frivilous claim to inflict potentially disastrous financial consequences on an established business.
It's also pretty hard for most Americans to believe that O.J. Simpson could be found innocent of his Ex-Wife's murder. Or that McDonalds could be found liable for a woman spilling hot coffee on her lap because the coffee was "too hot." The legal system is messed up. I'm surprised it's taken one letter of the alphabet for you to realize it. Also, you're not taking into account the "general public's" perception of wrestling. I know that had quite a bit to do with the decision.
Originally posted by shea That Vince didn't somehow protect himself with trademarks, I don't know about that. And even if the Wildlife Fund beat him to the copyright, there's other ways to come to an agreement that works for both sides.
Yes. They tried. This was the outcome. Neither party would budge. Vince lost.
Maybe what it means is that the overall company will be call WWE, kind of like the old Titan Sports days. Within the WWE company will be sub-compaines such as the World Wrestling Federation - all spelled out and said with no initials. I have noticed them on TV saying it a lot more often than WWF lately. And from what I understood, the court case was over the initials WWF, so that could work. Who knows. Whatever.
I don't care. To me, it will ALWAYS be the WWF and I will continue to refer to it as such.
What the hell are the panda huggers gonna do, send their friggin' lawyers after me? Hell, if enough of us do it, they'll have to make a choice between protecting endangered species or suing wrestling fans....so, how deep is your pocketbook now, World Wildlife Fund?
Don't get me wrong, because I love animals and believe in protecting species, etc. But dammit, this lawsuit is just another example of the petty bulls**t that gets tied up in court for years and keeps them from getting to cases that REALLY matter.
I don't know how it happened, but several years ago, my 70-something year old mother managed to get on the Fund's mailing list (it was a running joke in the house that we each had our own "WWF").
So help me God, if they happen to start a phone campaign to solicit donations and call, SOMEBODY'S GETTIN' CHALLENGED TO A "PANDA ON A POLE" MATCH.
And I hate "Fill-In-The-Blank-On-A-Pole" matches too. Sigh.......
Originally posted by Papercuts!They're being associated with professional wrestling, which, by and large, is considered undesireable or a joke in most public and social circles. I'm sure in their opinon, it could potenitally hurt their cause. Imagine trying to solicit donations of any kind. If Suzy Homemaker got a call from someone saying they're from the WWF --
Papercuts, perhaps you missed my point(s). Let me clear it up for you:
The World Wildlife Fund can claim damages ONLY IF they consistently refer to themselves as "the WWF". WHICH THEY DO NOT, as a quick look at their literature shows.
Further, is the target "audience" for the World Wildlife Fund the same as for wrestling? Would you agree that the demographics are vastly different? So how are they hurt?
Phone solicitations from the panda people are rare. Even so, it is easier for the World Wildlife Fund to cease the odd "WWF" reference than for the World Wrestling Federation to change an established marketplace identification. A logical decision by the court would have taken that into account.
"The legal system is messed up"? Gee, I didn't know that, Papercuts. Thanks for the update. You're just so informative and helpful!
First off, somebody who knows their law help me out here: how does a judge in England have the authority to make a ruling over an American company?
Second, if the letters are an issue, then go by the whole name. Why doesn't the WWF call themselves the World Wrestling Federation? Wouldn't you do the same thing if you joined the Albany Swing Syndicate?
"Say 'what' again. SAY 'WHAT' AGAIN! I dare you, I double dare you, motherf--ker! Say 'what' one more goddamn time!" -- Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction (1994)
"I tell you what, why don't you say 'what' if you like to sleep with your own sister." -- Undertaker, 4/1/02 RAW, putting an annoying fad in its place
The dispute was really about the confusion caused on the Internet over the wwf.com and wwf.org websites, so this was not limited to courts in the United States. As an international organization, the World Wildlife Fund chose London as the forum to have the case heard. Smart move on their part.
The court found the WWF in violation of a 1994 agreement between the two organizations over the limited use of the letters "WWF". But Vince will still be allowed limited use of those letters as a product-identifier here in the United States.
PS: Turns out the World Wildlife Fund had its panda/WWF logo trademarked back in 1961.
I agree completely with everything InVerse has said in this thread. (Well, except the part about Edge being the next Sting. Besides that...) The initial presentation last night might have been timed & exposed a bit better -- yeah, so?