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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    The WWE firmly believes they should not be held to any different standard than any other TV show. When Nancy Marchand died on the Sopranoes and they referenced her character, they called her a mean, nasty bitch. It's just playing a role.


Production on The Sopranos didn't grind to a halt for two weeks whilst cast and crew got all teary-eyed and paid glowing tribute to the woman AND the character. Wrestling isn't the same as any TV show. When Eddie died we watched heel and face come together to mourn him. Death puts the characters on the backburner, as evidenced by Rey-Eddie's biggest nemesis for the better part of last year-now being shown to be his true friend.


    don't agree exactly, but to think that the McMahons are just immoral and corrupt and ENJOY mocking someone's death is patently ridiculous.


No-one ever said they enjoyed it, but I'm sure the money they're aiming to make off of it isn't earmarked for charity. And if the McMahons can't recognise that putting out what appear to be sincere, moving tributes to the man then following it with blatant capitalisation on the fans' love for him is sleazy and disrespectful, then they deserve the brickbats being thrown their way.


    Also, we can very likely assume that Rey is going to beat Orton for the belt at some point, so the fact that Orton goes over at NWO is probably irrelevant in their mind to the long term plan.


How can we assume that? They're already passing over the perfect opportunity to put Rey over, and they're doing so by making it all about Orton pissing all over Eddie's memory, whether said pissing is real or not. If Meltz, or Shapiro, or someone who is even vaguely in the know had said "well, the plan is for Rey to beat Orton for the belt at Judgement Day" then I'd be a little more accomodating toward the unpleasantness of this. But not much.


    But this isn't some sick plot to desecrate Eddy. It's just a dumb gimmick, one of the 30 a year in this shady, shady sport. Hell, this is REALLY not at bad as Angle mocking the troops. Those guys have ZERO connection to wrestling. That's far more insulting, but y'know Angle is a good wrestler and Orton is not, so it's okay.


Oh, bullshit. Angle mocking the troops is just as dumb and offensive, but it was done as part of Operation Angle Is A Psycho, and it certainly never amounted to a heel verbally attacked a guy who sacrificed his health and maybe his life to make the company money. And it wasn't used the the crux of a storyline heading into the biggest show of the year.

Look, I'm not saying that Vince et al are demonic entities looking to destory Eddie's good name. I'm not saying they're holding Vickie and co to ransom. I don't really care what's being said behind the scenes, although if Meltzer is to be believed there are a great many people unhappy with it. I just don't find mocking a recently-deceased member of the roster, a family man whose triumphs over his own problems are well-documented, to be acceptable or enjoyable as part of sports-entertainment. Personally I don't want to see it. It's one carny step too far, and to me its worse than anything else that they've done before because the company is taking the hurt people feel about the loss of one of their own and rubbing it in their face it to make a buck.

Maybe I have made assumptions about what's going on, and you're right, Z, keeping Eddie's name out there is a good way of remembering him. But his name would be just as out there if Rey were to walk the Road To WrestleMania as a tribute to him. And given the FUBAR status of the SmackDown side of the Mania plans, it smacks more to me of the bookers thinking "shit, Batista's injury has fucked up all our plans. How can we make Orton into a big enough heel before the big show?". Which, if that WERE the case, would disappoint me. I don't give a shit if we're supposed to boo Orton because of what he says about Eddie. As Foley said, he's a good heel, he doesn't need cheap heat like this. And if they'd booked him properly beforehand they wouldn't have to resort to this.

Okay, I've said my piece. I find it genuinely upsetting that Eddie's death is being used in this fashion, that's all there is to it. If you can look past it, then more power to ya. But I can't seem to.



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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.18
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    I don't give a shit if we're supposed to boo Orton because of what he says about Eddie. As Foley said, he's a good heel, he doesn't need cheap heat like this. And if they'd booked him properly beforehand they wouldn't have to resort to this.


Moreso than the exploitation (or "use", depending who you're talking to) of Eddie's death, this is what pisses me off about it. Everytime they do something completely offensive, it pisses me off because it shows their complete inability to make a decent storyline. They KNOW it's offensive, and they're so inept that they KNOW they can't write a good storyline without this kind of cheap heat.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
This is a flawed analogy, I know, but I think it's still strong enough to be posed as a question:

If Stephanie McMahon dropped dead in a hotel room tomorrow, do you think the WWE would have HHH use his real-life relationship with her to win-over the crowd -- and would also allow HHH's nemesis to claim that Stephanie was burning in Hell, in an effort to boost buy-rates?



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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.29
Maybe. Vince did insist on Jericho calling her a Trash Bag Ho in order to boost ratings and buyrates.

(edited by Mr Tuesday on 15.2.06 1357)
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
Talking about dealing with the death of an actor on a current show, what did they do on "8 Simple Rules" when John Ritter died? Wikipedia says that (1) there was a hiatus in the show's airing, (2) the actors talked on-air about how his death affected them (comparable to Raw and Smackdown the week after), and (3) the character was killed off as well. What would be the "8 Simple Rules" equivalent of this storyline? The best I can come up with is some kid at school making fun of on of the daughters because her father died. Is that a fair comparison? Would people be up in arms about that? I have no opinion on the matter either way, just trying to find something comparable.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
    Originally posted by rv581
    This is a flawed analogy, I know, but I think it's still strong enough to be posed as a question:

    If Stephanie McMahon dropped dead in a hotel room tomorrow, do you think the WWE would have HHH use his real-life relationship with her to win-over the crowd -- and would also allow HHH's nemesis to claim that Stephanie was burning in Hell, in an effort to boost buy-rates?


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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
A (potentially) better way of how the WWE could have set up Orton-Mysterio at No Way Out 2006 without the "Eddie's in hell!" comment:

As Rey is making his promo about winning the Rumble for Eddie and then winning at WM for Eddie, Randy Orton comes out and cuts the following promo:

"Rey, Rey, Rey…. So you’re honoring Eddie by dedicating your win at the Royal Rumble to him, huh? Well, I say you’re honored Eddie’s memory by cheating to beat me at the Royal Rumble!! Because there’s no way you could’ve beaten me at the Rumble without cheating. And it disgusts me that me, Randy Orton, a former Intercontinental Champion, a former World Heavyweight Champion, doesn’t go to Wrestlemania to challenge again for the World Heavyweight Championship – but (fingerpoke) you, who (fingerpoke) cheated to beat (points to self)me! Cheating to win, Rey? That’s some way to honor your fallen friend. Especially after all you’ve done in the WWE over the past few years is ride his coattails and mooch off of his nephew, Chavo!

"But not only am I a legend killer – but I’m a pretty smart guy, as well. So I know how we can all settle this. About two years ago, at No Way Out, there was a number one contender’s match to see who’s fight for the championship at Wrestlemania in MSG. You probably don’t remember it, because you were too busy losing the Cruiserweight title to Chavo Guerrero. Nice one, by the way. And then last year at No Way Out, John Cena took on Kurt Angle to determine the number one contender to JBL’s championship. And you probably don’t remember that because you were too busy jerkin’ the curtain with your buddy Eddie against the Basham Brothers. So if you’re serious about honoring your friend’s memory and carrying on the tradition, then let’s keep the tradition with a match – you, me, No Way Out, the winner fights for the World Heavyweight Championship at WM!"

Respects and refers to Eddie without totally blasting his name like what really happened. Also blasts Mysterio, and sets him up to keep the underdog role.

Makes you wonder - if I can come up with this in about 15-20 minutes, why can't VKM and Stephanie?



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.29
Because, as WWE fans, we're not supposed to remember that far back.

Current WWE writers probably weren't on the payroll, nor even watching wrestling at the time.
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.06
The way I see it, this is why I haven't watched SmackDown for a few weeks now, and I'm not going to watch it this week.
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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
Anyone else catch the the NWO press conference? Click Here (wwe.com)
The whole thing has become such a joke I had to laugh when Randy said that he was dedicating the show to Eddie as well. The clip is funny in general with Randy being half asleep and Booker having some sort of breakdown and saying "see what I'm talkin' about" literally 15 times in a row.

(edited by Jackson on 15.2.06 2206)


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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.02
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Talking about dealing with the death of an actor on a current show, what did they do on "8 Simple Rules" when John Ritter died? Wikipedia says that (1) there was a hiatus in the show's airing, (2) the actors talked on-air about how his death affected them (comparable to Raw and Smackdown the week after), and (3) the character was killed off as well. What would be the "8 Simple Rules" equivalent of this storyline? The best I can come up with is some kid at school making fun of on of the daughters because her father died. Is that a fair comparison? Would people be up in arms about that? I have no opinion on the matter either way, just trying to find something comparable.


Yeah, that's pretty much what happened. IIRC, the first episode after the hiatus was the day after Ritter's character's funeral. But in that situation, they dealt with how the Hennesey family dealt with the loss of their patriarch, and then they rarely mentioned him again, until the following season where the mother started to date.



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
I havent logged on to the-w in a while but I was gonna make this thread when I first heard them trying to make a storyline out of Eddie's death- and that, by the way starts right with Chavo and Rey dedicating all their matches to him... its like a push magnet I guess...

But despite anyone's opinion I just honestly see it as a disrespect to the great man himself to use his death as another gear in the money machine.
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
I hope everyone realizes that Chavo is going to cost Ray the match, give some sort of negative speech about Eddy, and turn heel.

Or visa versa somehow.

It's going to be ugly.
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.90
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Talking about dealing with the death of an actor on a current show, what did they do on "8 Simple Rules" when John Ritter died? Wikipedia says that (1) there was a hiatus in the show's airing, (2) the actors talked on-air about how his death affected them (comparable to Raw and Smackdown the week after), and (3) the character was killed off as well. What would be the "8 Simple Rules" equivalent of this storyline? The best I can come up with is some kid at school making fun of on of the daughters because her father died. Is that a fair comparison? Would people be up in arms about that? I have no opinion on the matter either way, just trying to find something comparable.
The equivalent to the WWE storyline (IF it is going in the direction of Angle/Orton at WM) would be a bully at school beating the shit out of the son in front of his mother, telling them Paul Hennessy is in Hell, and then taking the girl the son likes to the prom (or the equivalent at that age). And the son has to sit home in his living room and cry the night of the dance, or go and sit in the corner.

Fade to black, roll credits.

Hell, I'd watch! If I didn't have to pay $50, that is.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 18.2.06 1230)
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