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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
From Milwaukee, WI.

Samoa Joe beat Sami Zayn with the Koquina Clutch.
A decent opener, but could probably have been condensed. Sami got next to no offense, which is okay, especially as Graves was on fire putting Joe over as a badass killing machine.

Anderson and Gallows beat Enzo and Cass to retain the tag titles.
I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by this result because I firmly believe Enzo and Cass have no right to be anywhere near any titles. The finish came after Gallows demolished Cass on the outside, and Enzo got pinned after the champs pushed his leg off the ropes without the ref seeing. Saxton tried to be outraged about this, but both Graves and Cole basically called it good teamwork. I imagine Enzo and Cass will be cast in the wronged-team-looking-for-payback role going into WM, but this wasn't the greatest way to set that up.

Sasha Banks beat Nia Jax with a rolling cradle.
This was apparently Sasha's first singles PPV win since making it to the main roster, which is hilariously depressing. The match was meh, though Sasha is *really* good at getting ragdolled, so the Goliath/David dynamic plays to her strengths. Unfortunately, Nia isn't there yet as a performer, but her character touches and quippy little promos give me a lot of hope.

Cesaro beat Jinder Mahal with a pop-up uppercut.
This was impromptu, because Jinder suddenly wanted no part of teaming with Rusev and wants to launch a singles career. This was all sorts of bad, as apparently Jidner is the only person on earth incapable of having a decent match with Cesaro. Jinder actually wiped out Rusev to earn the right to fight first, and then lost because he got distracted when Rusev recovered. Cesaro didn't even use his finisher! All of this felt like something an eight-year old would find *really cool.* Actually you could extend that sentiment to cover the rest of the show as well.

Big Show beat Rusev after three chokeslams and a KO punch.
This was Rusev's singles challenge. Big Show, while in better shape than in the past, is still VERY. SLOW. which does not make for good wrestling. This match was a glorified squash and had no place on a PPV. The only thing of note is that Rusev has got his hair cut and is somehow EVEN MORE handsome, so there's that.

Neville beat Jack Gallagher with the Red Arrow to retain the Cruiserweight Title.
Probably the match of the night. Austin Aries actually introduced a video package for himself prior to the match, and the look on Cole's face was worth screen-capping. The crowd got into this as the match went on, and it had both great execution and an exciting finish.

Roman Reigns beat Braun Strowman with the Spear.
I'm baffled mildly surprised that BigBeef McStrongman took the clean loss here. The more logical course of action to reach the rumored Taker/Roman conclusion would have been to have Undertaker actually show up and cost Roman the match, because then the weeks and weeks of building Braun would have amounted to something tangible. The match was actually perfectly fine, as Strowman and Roman have surprisingly good chemistry, and Roman is good at looking like he's getting killed by his opponent's offense (right before he kicks out of all of it, but it is what it is).

Bayley beat Charlotte with a Hugplex after Sasha Interference to retain the Women's Title.
The way this works is if the story here is the following: Sasha is poisoning Bayley to accept cheating as a legitimate way of winning, thereby ruining her core character, and Bayley is too naive until (a) Sasha turns on her or (b) Bayley grows a brain and has a revelation. Unfortunately, there is nothing in the history of WWE creative that suggests that they're capable of a telling a story that clever or subtle. More likely, this is just the writers not understanding (or better yet, not caring about) Bayley's character. Sasha's behavior is actually consistent with The Boss character, but Bayley has managed to come off as a delusional jerk for a couple of weeks running. I don't know if this is a limitation on part of the performer (that she can't convey the correct set of emotions), or poor writing, or a combination of both, but last night it amounted to character assassination for Bayley. Unless, of course, the whole plan is to turn Charlotte face, because literally everyone else in the division is an asshole.

Goldberg beat Kevin Owens after Jericho distraction to win the WWE Universal Title.
I think we all knew this was coming. Jericho's distraction is poetic justice as he was literally the only reason that KO held on to that title for so long. It is unfortunate that Kevin Owens got involved in a midcard comedy act for several months prior to hitting his stride as the incredible douchenozzle that he played in NXT, but I think he's better off without the title to find his bearings and re-establish himself by demolishing Chris Jericho at WM (He WILL demolish Jericho, yes? Please?). It is equally unfortunate that the title is now in possession of the worst professional wrestler in the WWE today, and will be transitioned to the least caring professional wrestler in the WWE today, but I suppose that comes with the territory.

Couple of Notes:

1. Stephanie McMahon was not at the show due to airplane issues and asked Foley to make sure the two big title matches go down without a hitch. In both matches Steph's favored heel champ lost due to interference from a face. If Foley can't even control the faces, what purpose does he serve? At least he got to send Joe home after his match, so there's that.

2. New Day claimed to have their ice cream, though we didn't get to see it. Big E was apparently drunk and botched the lyrics to Randy Orton's theme. Don't ask.

3. Raw Talk after the show was atrociously bad, thanks mostly to Lawler's horrible sexist comments and Sasha and Bayley's justification for their blatant cheating making no damn sense.

4. This was the worst PPV since... Survivor Series 2015, I think.

5. SmackDown is only two days away, and you will have the glorious, glorious Nikki/Cena vs Carmella/Ellsworth match to look forward to.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
We hate Steph, but everyone wants to fall in line with her shit narrative. Bayley should never given over the title when Dana interferred first in the title match Bayley won. A Flair losing to outside interference is always going to be funny to me. Its all going to be a four way, so everyone wins.

Mania is going to be a shit show. The main event will be a minute long. All the real good talent are stuck being in clusterfuck matches or facing a McMahon.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.93
Some people online are saying this is the worst PPV of all-time. Fortunately Raw has too much good in-ring talent for it ever to get that far but the booking for this show was definitely some of the worst. I'm not even that opposed to Goldberg winning the title and main eventing Wrestlemania. It is what it is. But there was just so much dumb stuff surrounding it.

- KO loses in 20 seconds and doesn't even get an offensive move in.
- The ref starts the match during Chris Jericho's theme playing, which has never happened before and pretty unfair to KO.
- Heyman was there to insinuate the possibility of Lesnar but Lesnar doesn't show.
- Mick confronts Samoa Joe about not interfering and Joe listened? Wouldn't Joe be that guy who is more likely to interfere after he's told not to?
- Again Mick confronts Samoa Joe, but not Jericho or Lesnar, the two guys much more likely to interfere?
- And where is Triple H? Don't him and KO have some sort of agreement? Isn't he KO's guy? If you're KO and you're working with Triple H isn't the first thing you say to him, make sure I keep the title? (They could explain this by KO confronting Triple H but I doubt that will happen since we're headed for KO/Jericho and not KO/HHH)
- When Goldberg took his title over to his son, honestly his response was kind of "meh". I think even his son is over the Goldberg return.

I had some issues with how Nia/Sasha, Charlotte/Bayley and Roman/Strowman were booked too but, whatever.

    Originally posted by used2bcool

    3. Raw Talk after the show was atrociously bad, thanks mostly to Lawler's horrible sexist comments and Sasha and Bayley's justification for their blatant cheating making no damn sense.



What did Lawler say?



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#4 Posted on
Reigns beating Strowman cleanly is a big red flag for Reigns' haters. His push continues, and I expect him to beat the Undertaker at WrestleMania -- and then defeat the Lesnar/Goldberg winner at Payback. Vince is just not going to give-up on this guy (or apparently turn him heel).
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.46
Probably the thing I enjoyed most was knowing Aries v Neville will be happening soon.
used2bcool
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    What did Lawler say?


I think it was specifically the fat joke he made at Nia Jax's expense that got me. Sasha looked like she wanted to break character and get on his case right then, but managed to keep her calm and act professional throughout.

I should provide a disclaimer that I absolutely hate Jerry Lawler as a commentator. Maybe he had some value in the Attitude Era - certainly I remember him as an annoying git from my childhood and maybe that was the point of his character - but in today's world he is a relic completely out of touch with the product or its audience.




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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.14
The booking was so strange on the last half of the show. Others have said it already, and said it better, but I'm blown away by the decision making. Jax, to anyone with working eyes and/or ears, should've easily powered out of that roll up. Braun losing clean without shenanigans doesn't necessarily kill him but it certainly takes his gimmick's teeth away somewhat. Bayley winning clean makes no sense; her value is in the chase, not being on top. And Goldberg, just, meh. Other avenues could've been taken to make things remarkably less messy going forward but for whatever reason, they weren't. At first blush, I hate all of these decisions and think they're out of touch and out of their minds as a company (what else is new) but I am willing to see how it plays out from here. Look at me, complaining about clean finishes. They're truly damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I thoroughly enjoyed Handsome RuRu and Big Show. It was a great example of how to put someone over while defeating them. Three choke slams and a KO punch were needed to keep him down is the narrative I choose to believe. I also dig the haircut and the new beard.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.61
The Most WWE Thing Possible as a next step for the Universal title would be a "Y'know, Pop, I don't think (Goldberg has enough left in him to really put the next guy over/Lesnar cares enough to really put the next guy over), but, y'know, I'd be willing to take the belt for a bit and really give (Seth/Roman) the rub that would make them..."

Which would then lay the groundwork for "Wow, Pop, I didn't realize that I'm just one away from tying Cena and Flair now. Y'know, if we needed a big program for next Mania..."
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.93
    Originally posted by Stefonics

    I thoroughly enjoyed Handsome RuRu and Big Show. It was a great example of how to put someone over while defeating them. Three choke slams and a KO punch were needed to keep him down is the narrative I choose to believe. I also dig the haircut and the new beard.


That part was weird. If Cesaro squashes Mahal in 30 seconds like he should, then they go straight into Show/Rusev then I think that goes over a lot better. If Show/Shaq isn't happening at Mania I wouldn't be opposed to a full Show/Rusev program as long as they make Rusev look good.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.70
I can't wait to see if Lesnar can beat the guy who's beaten him twice already. Lesnar/Goldberg is going to totally redeem the match from over a decade ago that no one cares about or remembers anymore. I care so much about this!

I'm seriously hoping that Orton/Wyatt main events. I'd even take Cena/Nikki-Miz/Maryse as the main event.
used2bcool
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Lesnar/Goldberg is going to totally redeem the match from over a decade ago that no one cares about or remembers anymore.


To be fair, I remember that match. As a bizarre shitfest on an otherwise stellar show. But I remember. You're right that the majority of the fanbase probably doesn't though.



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#12 Posted on
Is Goldberg's return reminding anyone else of Warrior's run in WCW?
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.85

    - Mick confronts Samoa Joe about not interfering and Joe listened? Wouldn't Joe be that guy who is more likely to interfere after he's told not to?
    - Again Mick confronts Samoa Joe, but not Jericho or Lesnar, the two guys much more likely to interfere?


I thought the idea here was that Mick was screwing over Owens, thus indirectly screwing over HHH, thus indirectly screwing over Steph



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
The booking of the Women's match was incredibly bizarre. Charlotte tells Dana to stay in the back, only to fall victim to blatant interference that should have been a clear DQ causing Charlotte's important PPV streak to come to a sudden and meaningless end. I was a little surprised they didn't go with a Bayley DQ where she keeps the belt and Charlotte keeps the PPV streak.

You might find the streak meaningless, but the reason the PPV streak is important is because they said it was and maintaining the streak was the cause of so many oddball results from past PPVs, so while the division is trending up, the vision is cloudy at best.


The one match I was looking forward to was Braun vs Roman, and while it wasn't bad it didn't live up to my expectations and broke a streak of solid Roman PPV matches. I don't blame either guy. The match was good, heck Braun dove off the top rope, but I was looking for a coming out party of sorts.

Now that Kevin Owens is free from the big red belt maybe he can go back to doing Kevin Owens things, mainly feuding with everybody.

WTF are New Day even doing?

They set the bar pretty low. Unless something totally goes off the rails this will be their worst PPV of 2017 and caps off a strange weekend of wrestling.





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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.75
    Originally posted by used2bcool
      Originally posted by Quezzy
      What did Lawler say?


    I think it was specifically the fat joke he made at Nia Jax's expense that got me. Sasha looked like she wanted to break character and get on his case right then, but managed to keep her calm and act professional throughout.

    I should provide a disclaimer that I absolutely hate Jerry Lawler as a commentator. Maybe he had some value in the Attitude Era - certainly I remember him as an annoying git from my childhood and maybe that was the point of his character - but in today's world he is a relic completely out of touch with the product or its audience.



I wasn't paying attention but after Bayley and Sasha left he also said that he's always believed that all women are jealous of each other. Renee didn't know how to answer to that.
After a few seconds of going back n forth I think he changed it to (and at least this makes sense) everyone in this profession wants to be champ so is jealous/plans on backstabbing.
The last thing I can get behind, the ' all women..' thing is so typical Lawler, I turned off the show after this.


The ppv ...the only match that did anything for me was the Cruiserweight match. It seemed like Neville was killing Gallagher.
The women's match was solid, the end was..ok.
Joe-Zayn was underwhelming because I hoped they'd allow them to do a bit more. I forgot that Joe is new/a machine and Sami is a nobody.

Owens - Goldberg. Meh..we knew it'd happen. I did like how Owens managed to make it about him by stalling so much and interacting with the crowd a bit. The match itself is obviously an afterthought.

And yes, Goldberg's kid didn't seem to be impressed. I do like that Bill went to some other (Make-a-wish?)kid right after.

I have low expectations of this years Wrestlemania.
The good wrestlers seem to be in midcard matches where they'll probably not get enough time. And the slew of main events won't live up to any hype they'll throw at me.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.46
So I've had a few hours to think about things and look at what is coming up, but I still am disappointed with this event and what is coming up.

Goldberg v Lesnar just doesn't interest me, title or no title. Main events that last seconds aren't what I want from wrestling. A UFC or boxing match that ends like that is a real surprise and something out of the ordinary. Hogan v Warrior went way too long but I can see why it did. Owens has kicked out of so many finishers and pinning attempts over the years, but as it is Goldberg that isn't an option. Is Bill under 2 minutes in total for all his matches so far, against 2 of the best? Ridiculous.

Owens v Jericho will be a good match, but I don't want to see KO with that title.

I don't care who wins out of Bill and Brock, and I wouldn't expect Bill to win at the moment but who can beat them apart from Roman? Why or how can Lesnar win? Goldberg looked knackered after his entrance and standing around for a few minutes. I dread to think how a match would pan out over 3 minutes.

Maybe I am too old for this or out of touch, but it doesn't interest me at the moment. There are wrestlers, sorry sports entertainers, that I like watching but they aren't in a position to show what they can do. Sorry for being so negative but at the moment there isn't much to interest me. Taker can come back tonight and challenge Reigns but that doesn't scream classic and will be crap unless Roman turns heel. Not that that will make it a great match, but at least it will have a reason. Brock v Bill doesn't interest me. HHH v Seth isn't happening. What else would make you want to pay however much to get a ticket to Mania at this stage? Andre battle royal to see Strowman and Corbyn? Ladder match to get people on the card? Shane? A 2 minute main event? Orton Wyatt? Makes sense, but main event?

As I said, maybe I'm passed it but it isn't interesting me and I can't be the only one.

And yes I have had a glass of wine and a fair amount of whisky like normal!
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.93
    Originally posted by Big Bad

      - Mick confronts Samoa Joe about not interfering and Joe listened? Wouldn't Joe be that guy who is more likely to interfere after he's told not to?
      - Again Mick confronts Samoa Joe, but not Jericho or Lesnar, the two guys much more likely to interfere?


    I thought the idea here was that Mick was screwing over Owens, thus indirectly screwing over HHH, thus indirectly screwing over Steph


That explains why Mick talked to Joe (and I guess why he didn't talk to Jericho) but it doesn't explain why Joe obeyed him. Any punishment Foley dishes out to Joe Hunter or Steph can just undo. It just seemed weird because typically when you make a point to tell someone not to interfere, it usually actually means they will definitely interfere. Then again, Seth Rollins was banned from Royal Rumble and he obeyed too so maybe the WWE roster made a New Year's Resolution to listen to their elders.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.21
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    That explains why Mick talked to Joe (and I guess why he didn't talk to Jericho) but it doesn't explain why Joe obeyed him.


He assumed he had time to take a shower before needing to interfere.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.53
Not a great show.

Missed the preshow. Opening match was fun, but I'd expect that out of Joe & Sami.

Then it plummeted. Club vs Enzo/Cass was meh, but a lot of that is my general dislike of whatever Enzo is supposed to be these days.

Sasha & Nia was okay but nothing special, and I really like both ladies.

I jumped ship during the Cesaro/Show/Rusev/Jinder mess. Just killed it for me. I was out.

Haven't seen anything beyond that, though I did invest the time for the Universal title bout and eh. Not the decision I would have made, but I get it.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.57
What's up with Romans new look? At least with that SWAT Tac gear he looked kinda intimidating. In sweats and Nikes he looked like he played in a Y weekend league and didn't have time to change before the match. Threw on his power vest and headed out.

Meh show. Turned to family guy during it and don't feel like I missed anything.
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