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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
At least, according to their publicist:

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/2011/03/whoaa-nellie-when-brands-go-horribly-wrong-pstvince-mcmahon-and-the-wwe-are-no-longer-in-the-wrestli.php

Is Vince ashamed of the word "wrestling" for some reason? If so; why is it even a part of the name of the very company anymore?
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.22
Vince has been saying that since pretty much the beginning of his reign. Paul's promo on him prior to Survivor Series 2002, pretty much spelled out Vince does not care about the "wrestling" aspect as he does the spectacle of his events. This really has not been a secret. Now, is it a contradiction,, yeah probably. Its a genre show with the genre being wrestling.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.63
Yeah, 1984 called and wants its headline back.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Yeah, 1984 called and wants its headline back.


Ah, but now they're demanding that the media play his word games. That's what I find so funny- they're demanding this nonsense of the same media he's so desperate to branch out into and impress.


(edited by PaulKTF on 21.3.11 1101)
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
No, a lone WWE publicist is.
PaulKTF
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    No, a lone WWE publicist is.


Uh; you do know the publicist is towing the company line, right? That's his job.






(edited by PaulKTF on 21.3.11 0919)
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
Look, we all know the mandate from Vince about it being sports entertainment rather than wrestling. He's been adamant on that since the late 90s. Do you really think Vince was personally standing over this publicist's shoulder while they made these calls et cetera? Or do you think the publicist just carried on saying what everybody connected to the company's been saying for over a decade?

You're acting like this is some new campaign spearheaded by Vince himself. I doubt he even heard about this little back-and-forth before today, if he's even heard about it now.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Look, we all know the mandate from Vince about it being sports entertainment rather than wrestling. He's been adamant on that since the late 90s. Do you really think Vince was personally standing over this publicist's shoulder while they made these calls et cetera? Or do you think the publicist just carried on saying what everybody connected to the company's been saying for over a decade?

    You're acting like this is some new campaign spearheaded by Vince himself. I doubt he even heard about this little back-and-forth before today, if he's even heard about it now.


Okay; point taken, but what I mean is it's crazy that the WWE as a whole is now demanding that the mainstream media not refer to the wrestlers as wrestlers, or as the wrestling show as a wrestling show when they're under no obligation to do so because the media knows it's dumb.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.70
I don't know if they're demanding so much as one hilarious PR woman took her marching orders too literally and looks ridiculous. Or maybe they are, who knows.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I don't know if they're demanding so much as one hilarious PR woman took her marching orders too literally and looks ridiculous. Or maybe they are, who knows.


Either way; wouldn't you say it reflects badly on the company now that the story has become public?

This sort of thing is why the WWE will never be anything other than a wrestling company; no matter how much Vince wishes they were seen as something more in the eyes of the mainstream media.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.70
I think it reflects sillily on them. I don't know if there's an edict for their PR to stress Sports Entertainer/Superstar/Diva language with unflinching scrutiny, or if she just followed her given directives so severely because she thought she'd get in trouble if she didn't. But if we're going to talk about embarrassing WWE mainstream doubletalk I think them finally getting busted by GLAAD and then being like "oh totally, sorry, we'll reprimand our talent for doing that when they obv weren't supposed to" is a better story.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.89
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I think it reflects sillily on them. I don't know if there's an edict for their PR to stress Sports Entertainer/Superstar/Diva language with unflinching scrutiny, or if she just followed her given directives so severely because she thought she'd get in trouble if she didn't. But if we're going to talk about embarrassing WWE mainstream doubletalk I think them finally getting busted by GLAAD and then being like "oh totally, sorry, we'll reprimand our talent for doing that when they obv weren't supposed to" is a better story.







Did they threaten to take away the gravy boat?
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.89
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I think it reflects sillily on them. I don't know if there's an edict for their PR to stress Sports Entertainer/Superstar/Diva language with unflinching scrutiny, or if she just followed her given directives so severely because she thought she'd get in trouble if she didn't. But if we're going to talk about embarrassing WWE mainstream doubletalk I think them finally getting busted by GLAAD and then being like "oh totally, sorry, we'll reprimand our talent for doing that when they obv weren't supposed to" is a better story.







Did they threaten to take away the gravy boat?
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.72
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
    This sort of thing is why the WWE will never be anything other than a wrestling company
I figure that WWE will never be anything other than a wrestling company because they're a wrestling company. They put on wrestling shows, they make movies (starring wrestlers), they publish books (starring wrestlers). They failed at football, at bodybuilding, at boxing, at their theme restaurant, and I think there's a failed music company or two in there as well.

And by "they," of course, I mean Vince McMahon, the ultimate source of all this rebranding and insecurity.

That's a diverse range of failures and a very narrow, wrestling-specific collection of successes for someone who fancies himself to be the greatest promoter of all the times.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.01
    Originally posted by PaulKTF

    Is Vince ashamed of the word "wrestling" for some reason? If so; why is it even a part of the name of the very company anymore?


I believe that reason has something to do with the father who abandoned him being in the wrestling business.

As for the name, the cost of rebranding is high. And I don't just mean in regards to money.
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#16 Posted on
I think that this has a lot to do with the recent expansion by MMA. From what I understand many states that didn't allow MMA are now, and regulating it. At the same time many people are saying wrestling should be regulated the same way. I look at it as yet again Vince and co. trying to save themselves from being regulated by states which would cost them some money.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.01
    Originally posted by Above Average 1
    I think that this has a lot to do with the recent expansion by MMA. From what I understand many states that didn't allow MMA are now, and regulating it. At the same time many people are saying wrestling should be regulated the same way. I look at it as yet again Vince and co. trying to save themselves from being regulated by states which would cost them some money.


In my state, pro wrestling has more regulations than MMA, though they're both overseen by the state athletic commission. I've often contemplated putting on a wrestling show without going through the proper channels and then if (when) the athletic commission tried to shut it down, insisting that it's not a professional wrestling show, it's a play about professional wrestling.

To give you an idea of how strict the wrestling laws are in this state, here are a few of the random rules that I find ridiculous:

The law requires all referees to report to the building at least one hour prior to bell time. (Granted, this is probably a good idea in general but not something the state should be regulating.)

It's illegal for a professional wrestler to compete with "grease, lotion or foreign substances on his body." Which seems to me would make facepaint illegal but clearly makes Randy Orton illegal.

If a professional wrestler fails to break a hold when instructed to do so by a referee, he can not be disqualified until after a count of 10.

Blading is illegal.

The time keeper (yes, the guy who rings the bell) must be licensed to do so by the state. All valets must have licenses as well.

Also, ladder matches are illegal in this state because 1) you can't use a foreign object without permission from the state and 2) the rules specifically state that matches may only be won by pinfall, submission, count out or disqualification. Thus climbing up a ladder and grabbing a belt isn't a legally recognized method of winning a match.

There are plenty of other stupid things, but those are some of the highlights.
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#18 Posted on
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Above Average 1
      I think that this has a lot to do with the recent expansion by MMA. From what I understand many states that didn't allow MMA are now, and regulating it. At the same time many people are saying wrestling should be regulated the same way. I look at it as yet again Vince and co. trying to save themselves from being regulated by states which would cost them some money.


    In my state, pro wrestling has more regulations than MMA, though they're both overseen by the state athletic commission. I've often contemplated putting on a wrestling show without going through the proper channels and then if (when) the athletic commission tried to shut it down, insisting that it's not a professional wrestling show, it's a play about professional wrestling.

    To give you an idea of how strict the wrestling laws are in this state, here are a few of the random rules that I find ridiculous:

    The law requires all referees to report to the building at least one hour prior to bell time. (Granted, this is probably a good idea in general but not something the state should be regulating.)

    It's illegal for a professional wrestler to compete with "grease, lotion or foreign substances on his body." Which seems to me would make facepaint illegal but clearly makes Randy Orton illegal.

    If a professional wrestler fails to break a hold when instructed to do so by a referee, he can not be disqualified until after a count of 10.

    Blading is illegal.

    The time keeper (yes, the guy who rings the bell) must be licensed to do so by the state. All valets must have licenses as well.

    Also, ladder matches are illegal in this state because 1) you can't use a foreign object without permission from the state and 2) the rules specifically state that matches may only be won by pinfall, submission, count out or disqualification. Thus climbing up a ladder and grabbing a belt isn't a legally recognized method of winning a match.

    There are plenty of other stupid things, but those are some of the highlights.


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But seriously, where is this?



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#19 Posted on
"Hi, I'm Daniel Bryan and I'm a technical entertainer."

re: InVerse - How would that make Randy Orton illegal?



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.08
    Originally posted by JST
    "Hi, I'm Daniel Bryan and I'm a technical entertainer."

    re: InVerse - How would that make Randy Orton illegal?


It's illegal for a professional wrestler to compete with "grease, lotion or foreign substances on his body."


Sometimes Orton comes down the aisle and has so much oil on him, he reflects the arena lights back into the air creating an aura around him causing viewers tuning in to believe they are watching one of those glowing aliens from X-Files.

Except this one also spray tans himself orange.
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