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I don't know if you guys have been following the planning stages on what to do with the land that was once occupied by the World Trade Center, but a handful of designs were recently released to the public. In the upcoming months, a committee is going to decide which one of the plans will be used. The only problem, in my opinion, is that all six of the designs released to the public suck.They completely lack any originality nor do they envoke any emotion, they are basically just drab, blocky buildings.

Someone sent this link my way this morning and I really like what I see. Apparently this new design has been recieving so much support via a campaign that started online that it may actually, with a ton more support, be entered in to the voting process according to the AP. Give it a look, its pretty interesting...

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It looks like something out of SimCity 2000...



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Yeah, they had a big town hall type thing and that's what everyone there thought too, that all the designs were boring and uninspired. Of course, so were the Twin Towers themselves... the Port Authority does not specialize in adventurous architecture. Anyway, it's back to the drawing board hopefully.



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My preference is for the Promenade or #6 design. Yes they are all blocky but given the small amount of space available in Manhattan most buildings end up falling into that design. My problem with this design is that it does not fit into the neighborhood at all. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

You also have to consider the overall cost of the project. I can't find estimates for this project anywhere on the site. A project like this seems more appropriate for somewhere like Miami or Southern California except for the obvious problems.



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See, the problem with the schemes unveiled to the public is that they are not really designs, but more like diagrams about how to allocate space. The architects and officials did a very, very poor job of making that clear to the public, however. The reason all of the buildings looked boring and blocky is that there hasn't been anywhere near enough time to come up with an adventurous design which would actually work. It takes a long time to come up with a design that is both interesting and worked-out enough to be viable.

Again, the designers/officials/media didn't make this at all clear.

Also, I can almost guarantee you that none of the options you see will come to pass. There are way too many different interest groups and approval processes for this thing to go through. In fact, I heard on the local radio today (I'm in NYC) that they are considering opening the process to smaller and foreign firms. This would be a great help aesthetically, since most of the more exciting work being done nowadays is by small and/or foreign firms.

Anyhow, just throwing in my slightly-insiderish 2 cents.



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Yeah... I forgot one design a different firm presented, but it was SWEET. One of the buildings would be the tallest in NYC, if not the world. Hopefully, it'll get considered, at least.

But what do you think of the proposal (in some cases, demand) that no one build on the footprints? I think yeah, it's reasonable...
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They want to turn it into a fucking mall.

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The WTC was a huge underground mall in addition to the buildings. I remember getting lost in there a few times trying to find the E line and surface exits.

I hope they keep the footprints as open space for a memorial. There will have to be stuff underneath because of all of the mass transit lines and walkways but there should be a separation between the commercial space and the memorial above ground.





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SOK (hailing from Calgary, AB), quietly says:Ugly ugly ugly.

I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

Build a church there, build a wall, build a park, but not a mall, not a hotel, nothing like that.




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There's 2 things to consider here.

1 - Do you really think that anything (even 9/11) could change America so much that we still wouldn't want to turn a profit on this?

2 - What better way to celebrate America than by putting up a monument to commercialism. I'm sure it would piss the terrorists off.



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SOK (hailing from Calgary, AB), quietly says:
    Originally posted by chazerizer
    There's 2 things to consider here.

    1 - Do you really think that anything (even 9/11) could change America so much that we still wouldn't want to turn a profit on this?

    2 - What better way to celebrate America than by putting up a monument to commercialism. I'm sure it would piss the terrorists off.

My girlfriend and I were talking about this further...and she believes that there should be a wall built that lists the names of all the victims involved in the tragedy. I thought the idea of a huge church complex that compliments all religions would be great.

But you're right, Chazerizer...it is America, and while the WTC was a tragedy, the site is prime real estate. They'll build and make money out of it.

Sad, really.



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Sad how, exactly? Because people died there, other people shouldn't have jobs and should suffer economically? We are talking about one of the financial centers of the world. Clearly there needs to be some sort of memorial, but, to make it a "no profit allowed" area would just be stupid. Please stick to being moralistic about Canada if that's where you live.



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    Originally posted by T.R.
    Sad how, exactly? Because people died there, other people shouldn't have jobs and should suffer economically? We are talking about one of the financial centers of the world. Clearly there needs to be some sort of memorial, but, to make it a "no profit allowed" area would just be stupid. Please stick to being moralistic about Canada if that's where you live.


The sad part is not that they'll make money off it, but that they'll probably use the memories to make money off of it. How many people do you think they can get to come if its the WTC memorial? And that means higher profit ratings.

BTW, the wall thing is an interesting idea, but I think it would kind of be a rip-off (Vietnam memorial in Washington).

All I really want is a plaque on one corner of the building at street level, that identifies the dates of the original buildings and maybe a touching quote of some kind. Something simple. (like that'll happen)



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    Originally posted by Jakegnosis
    "Jimmy, this Starbucks is where your mother died."


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I'm sure people will want to crucify me for this, but I think that a lot of the families are being extremely selfish in calling for the area to be used exclusively as a memorial. this is the financial center of the country, and it's important real estate that if used properly, would bring tens of thousands of jobs back to the area. I'm sure everyone agrees that there should be a dedcent sized memorial that doesn't trivialize what happened on Sep. 11 2001, but I certainly don't feel it should dominate the area. I think calling it a "cemetary" is really stretching it. As much as I don't like new york, the area is extremely important to the city, and building new big buildings on the site is the best thing for the city as a whole. There are some groups of victims and victims families that seem to think they are more important than the whole city and the tens of thousands of people who would benefit from reconstruction at that location. But I guess if they don't rebuild a lot of financial companies may move to New jersey, and that's not a bad thing.




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If they handle the area in the same way that Oklahoma did, I think it would be nice. From what I have seen of it (basically news reports from the McVeigh execution), that site looks really well done and thoughtful.



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SOK (hailing from Calgary, AB), quietly says:
    Originally posted by A-MOL
    If they handle the area in the same way that Oklahoma did, I think it would be nice. From what I have seen of it (basically news reports from the McVeigh execution), that site looks really well done and thoughtful.
What did they do with the Oklahoma bombing site?



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Thereīs a big difference between having profit/commercialism/etc. as A factor in rebuilding, and having it as the MAIN factor. The first six plans were based on the premise of 'we need so-much commercial space so the P.A. can rent out so-much of it and make so-much money, and after this has been taken care of weīll try to squeeze in whatever else we can.' As a result, the plans sucked. Other than perhaps some folks on Wall Street, I donīt know anyone who thinks this is the right way of going about things, and the city, to itīs credit, is trying to cut some deals that would let them get away from this. That doesnīt mean that there isnīt going to be money made on the site or that it wonīt be a huge financial center. It just means these considerations will be balanced with the others, instead of dominating them.



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    Originally posted by SOK

      Originally posted by A-MOL
      If they handle the area in the same way that Oklahoma did, I think it would be nice. From what I have seen of it (basically news reports from the McVeigh execution), that site looks really well done and thoughtful.
    What did they do with the Oklahoma bombing site?


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Sorry, I just looked at it, and I hink that Oklahoma thing is a piece of crap. I mean, seriously. Talk about symbolism and it makes all these people feel better. Maybe its me, but I'll tell you what I saw looking at those plans. Wasted space. This is what the actual cemetaries are for. There is no need to turn a usable area into a cemetary.

On to the situation at hand. In Oklahoma City, the idea of this much wasted space probably isn't a big deal. They have lots of room to use up yet. In downtown NYC, though, this would be a gross mis-use of the land. Isn't it bad enough that if I have business in the new WTC, I'm going to be treated to the memory of hundreds of dead people every day?



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