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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.11
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by It's False
      Heroes will air its December 3 episode as its season finale, meaining those hoping the show would rebound from a shitty first-half of the season will be sorely disappointed.

    Shitty first-half? What show are YOU watching?

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The one where Tim Kring basically said to the fans, "my bad".

    Originally posted by It's False
    Lost is supposedly written through Episode 14, but the rest of the season could be screwed.


Well, there are only 16 episodes slated for this season anyway, so that's only 2 episodes in limbo. And everybody knows that Lost season finales generally suck, anyway.



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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
In that clip of the Office writers, it's mentioned that Steve Carell isn't crossing the picket line. Apparently the 'official' reason he called in sick to work is because he's suffering from "enlarged balls."


    Well, there are only 16 episodes slated for this season anyway, so that's only 2 episodes in limbo. And everybody knows that Lost season finales generally suck, anyway.


Man, I hope you're being sarcastic or else you've just never seen Lost.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
    Originally posted by Big Bad

      Well, there are only 16 episodes slated for this season anyway, so that's only 2 episodes in limbo. And everybody knows that Lost season finales generally suck, anyway.


    Man, I hope you're being sarcastic or else you've just never seen Lost.


QFT.

Unfortunately, however, a lot of showrunners/producers are saying that they're not gonna show up to work to supervise casting and other non-writing duties, so even for shows like LOST where there are several scripts written, we still may not see those episodes actually hitting the air. I expect Cuse and Lindelof are on board with this line of thinking, so I would say that the entire season is effectively in limbo.

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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.63
Shitty news - while a lot of (lesser) shows have enough episodes in the can to at least make it to Christmas, The Office only has two more episodes finished -- the one that's going to air in, lesee, about seven minutes and next week's episode. There are more scripts completed, but with Steve Carell refusing to cross the picket line they're unable to film them.


EDIT: Oh, and LOST has had three really good finales thusfar.

(edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 8.11.07 2059)
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.70
I forgot that the board would interpret a </sarcasm> tag as a real one and thus not show it. Although I could have sworn I previewed my post and it showed up.

I have LOVED all the Lost season finales.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
I'm actually hoping that the strike might force Cuse and Lindeloff to re-align their plans such that we wind up with two seasons of 24 episodes. I'm also quietly hoping that they'll continue to write while on strike. They don't have to submit the scripts to ABC, but it'd be cool if as soon as the strike ends, they're ready to go with plenty of material.



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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.50
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    It's time for Chris and I to go to Hollywood.


Ironic is I had a similar thought but you two would actually be able to pull it off while I on the other hand would draw stick figures and put then in front of the camera. *sigh*

I'm so glad I'm not watching much TV right now. Time to go buy some DVD's



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.82
The strike is starting to affect more workers. The Tonight Show staff has just been laid off.

The news here is that, unlike Letterman and Conan, who offered to pay off their workers' salaries, Jay Leno has offered no such compensation.

In fact, Jay gave his workers a paltry $100. Merry Christmas to you too. What a douchebag.




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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by It's False
    The strike is starting to affect more workers. The Tonight Show staff has just been laid off.

    The news here is that, unlike Letterman and Conan, who offered to pay off their workers' salaries, Jay Leno has offered no such compensation.

    In fact, Jay gave his workers a paltry $100. Merry Christmas to you too. What a douchebag.


Um, why is it Jay's fault or responsibility that his writers are greedy bitches?
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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.69
    Originally posted by It's False
    In fact, Jay gave his workers a paltry $100. Merry Christmas to you too. What a douchebag.
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Um, why is it Jay's fault or responsibility that his writers are greedy bitches?

Um, wow. Congrats to both of you for being WAY off the mark in COMPLETELY opposite directions. Leno is not a douchebag for not paying his writers out of his own pockets. You can't call a man a douchebag for not going above and beyond the call of duty and paying the salary of someone who isn't his employee.

At the same time, you can't call the writers greedy bitches just because they're striking. Not only is what they're asking for not all that much but they're really not even striking for themselves; rather, they're striking for future generations of writers. In fact, the vast majority of the strikers are going to lose more money during the strike than they will ever make up for with the increased royalties they're seeking.

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(edited by StingArmy on 1.12.07 1011)
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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Um, why is it Jay's fault or responsibility that his writers are greedy bitches?


Yeah, man! Fuck the writers! Elitist assholes, thinking they're entitled to compensation for their work.

Without Leno, they're nothing! Or is it the other way around?



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by Nuclear Winter
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      Um, why is it Jay's fault or responsibility that his writers are greedy bitches?


    Yeah, man! Fuck the writers! Elitist assholes, thinking they're entitled to compensation for their work.

    Without Leno, they're nothing! Or is it the other way around?


They do get compensation. They just want more. As does everyone else in the world. The rest of us don't get to stop working and cry until we get it.

I don't think what they are asking for is unreasonable. I think the whole method of a strike is a bullshit way to go about it and it makes me hope they don't earn a penny more ever.

(edited by wmatistic on 30.11.07 2112)
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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    They do get compensation. They just want more. As does everyone else in the world. The rest of us don't get to stop working and cry until we get it.

    I don't think what they are asking for is unreasonable. I think the whole method of a strike is a bullshit way to go about it and it makes me hope they don't earn a penny more ever.


But not really. Their source of compensation is shifting from residuals for broadcast/cablecast airings to the internet and DVDs, except that they don't get compensation for that. Wanting to add that is more making sure that the future of entertainment cuts them in rather than watching network viewership - and revenue - continue to slip and their residuals dip into the realm of nothing.

If not strike, how do they achieve this? There's really not another option other than to refuse to do the job. If they continue to show up and write then the studios can just keep on with the current hard line negotiating and not cut them in. Realistically, to achieve their goal there's no choice but a work stoppage.





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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
    Originally posted by PeterStork

    But not really. Their source of compensation is shifting from residuals for broadcast/cablecast airings to the internet and DVDs, except that they don't get compensation for that. Wanting to add that is more making sure that the future of entertainment cuts them in rather than watching network viewership - and revenue - continue to slip and their residuals dip into the realm of nothing.

    If not strike, how do they achieve this? There's really not another option other than to refuse to do the job. If they continue to show up and write then the studios can just keep on with the current hard line negotiating and not cut them in. Realistically, to achieve their goal there's no choice but a work stoppage.




Then here's hoping the production union strikes soon after, as the highest-paid production worker on the set is still usually paid less than the lowest-paid writer.

(edited by Teppan-Yaki on 1.12.07 0928)


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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
    Originally posted by Teppan-Yaki
      Originally posted by PeterStork

      But not really. Their source of compensation is shifting from residuals for broadcast/cablecast airings to the internet and DVDs, except that they don't get compensation for that. Wanting to add that is more making sure that the future of entertainment cuts them in rather than watching network viewership - and revenue - continue to slip and their residuals dip into the realm of nothing.

      If not strike, how do they achieve this? There's really not another option other than to refuse to do the job. If they continue to show up and write then the studios can just keep on with the current hard line negotiating and not cut them in. Realistically, to achieve their goal there's no choice but a work stoppage.




    Then here's hoping the production union strikes soon after, as the highest-paid production worker on the set is still usually paid less than the lowest-paid writer.

    (edited by Teppan-Yaki on 1.12.07 0928)


Not to piss on the efforts of others, but those who are most valuable make the most money. Thus the actors, writers and directors are always going to reap the most benefits. Without them, more would be lost, and their talents are much harder to replace. That's just reality.



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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by PeterStork
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      They do get compensation. They just want more. As does everyone else in the world. The rest of us don't get to stop working and cry until we get it.

      I don't think what they are asking for is unreasonable. I think the whole method of a strike is a bullshit way to go about it and it makes me hope they don't earn a penny more ever.


    But not really. Their source of compensation is shifting from residuals for broadcast/cablecast airings to the internet and DVDs, except that they don't get compensation for that. Wanting to add that is more making sure that the future of entertainment cuts them in rather than watching network viewership - and revenue - continue to slip and their residuals dip into the realm of nothing.

    If not strike, how do they achieve this? There's really not another option other than to refuse to do the job. If they continue to show up and write then the studios can just keep on with the current hard line negotiating and not cut them in. Realistically, to achieve their goal there's no choice but a work stoppage.




Actually as I understood it they DO get compensation for Internet/DVD's just not as much as they want. And they get paid a regular salary as well so this is just on top of that.

You don't have to strike at all. I would support a strike for workers that were being mistreated. By that I mean horrible working conditions that put them in danger or the like. But not because they want more money. How is that not greed? If we're talking third world factory workers sure. This ain't the same.

You ask for more. If they don't give it to you, you find another job. If no one will give it to you, you talk with a lawyer to see if the companies are getting together to keep salaries low and bring a lawsuit if they are. Otherwise you realize you got into a field that doesn't pay much and either accept it or go do something else if money is your main goal in life.

Let's get this straight. These people are in no way being mistreated. They are perfectly capable of putting food on the table for their families. As much as the companies are being greedy for not giving them more, the writers are being just as greedy for trying to squeeze every penny they can from those companies.

But like I said, to strike? To put other people's jobs in the balance cause you're being greedy? To act like it's a noble cause while you see pink slips being handed out? No, I can't and won't support that.
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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by PeterStork
        Originally posted by wmatistic
        They do get compensation. They just want more. As does everyone else in the world. The rest of us don't get to stop working and cry until we get it.

        I don't think what they are asking for is unreasonable. I think the whole method of a strike is a bullshit way to go about it and it makes me hope they don't earn a penny more ever.


      But not really. Their source of compensation is shifting from residuals for broadcast/cablecast airings to the internet and DVDs, except that they don't get compensation for that. Wanting to add that is more making sure that the future of entertainment cuts them in rather than watching network viewership - and revenue - continue to slip and their residuals dip into the realm of nothing.

      If not strike, how do they achieve this? There's really not another option other than to refuse to do the job. If they continue to show up and write then the studios can just keep on with the current hard line negotiating and not cut them in. Realistically, to achieve their goal there's no choice but a work stoppage.




    Actually as I understood it they DO get compensation for Internet/DVD's just not as much as they want. And they get paid a regular salary as well so this is just on top of that.

    You don't have to strike at all. I would support a strike for workers that were being mistreated. By that I mean horrible working conditions that put them in danger or the like. But not because they want more money. How is that not greed? If we're talking third world factory workers sure. This ain't the same.

    You ask for more. If they don't give it to you, you find another job. If no one will give it to you, you talk with a lawyer to see if the companies are getting together to keep salaries low and bring a lawsuit if they are. Otherwise you realize you got into a field that doesn't pay much and either accept it or go do something else if money is your main goal in life.

    Let's get this straight. These people are in no way being mistreated. They are perfectly capable of putting food on the table for their families. As much as the companies are being greedy for not giving them more, the writers are being just as greedy for trying to squeeze every penny they can from those companies.

    But like I said, to strike? To put other people's jobs in the balance cause you're being greedy? To act like it's a noble cause while you see pink slips being handed out? No, I can't and won't support that.


They get a pathetic pittance of DVD/VHS, and they get literally 0% of internet, even when they have to work extra to produce the content (like online extras.) That the producers feel that they shouldn't share in the direction their work is heading is pathetic, especially because profits from online are starting to replace the money made through traditional means, meaning the writers don't just stand to earn less than they could, but less than they do now. That's what they're trying to prevent.

No one's saying the writers are horribly mistreated or need to resurrect Upton Sinclair to tell their tale. Striking is still the best - really, the only real - option, because the only way to let the producers understand how necessary they are is to deny them their talent. A collusion lawsuit would do nothing, and it's back to square one where the producers have all the power. I'm all for independent arbitration panels for public servants - even teachers - so that strikes affecting public needs are prevented, but I don't see that happening for a private feud like this (though it would be an interesting option.) And as much as we converse about this no one is going to die because The Office is off the air for a while. Perhaps except, God willing, Jeff Zucker.

The idea that they should get out of their profession just because they can't make a decent share of the new profits is silly. Besides, I could say the same thing about the other workers that get hurt by the work stoppage: realize you got into a field that once in a couple decades could be shut down for a few months because the producers don't want to share the profits they've spent the last couple years bragging about and either accept it or go do something else if money is your main goal in life.

And as far as those pink slips go, this summer if/when SAG strikes over the same issue you'll see the writers walking the picket lines with them, happily taking a hit for the betterment of their fellow workers.

(edited by PeterStork on 1.12.07 1228)


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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21


Part of what the writers are striking over has nothing to do with money. The studios dictate what the value of certain media is worth. The problem is that the method by which the studios determine these things isn't transparent at all, so the writers have no idea whether or not the studios are playing fair.

The writers have every right to strike - both legally and morally.






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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by It's False
      The strike is starting to affect more workers. The Tonight Show staff has just been laid off.

      The news here is that, unlike Letterman and Conan, who offered to pay off their workers' salaries, Jay Leno has offered no such compensation.

      In fact, Jay gave his workers a paltry $100. Merry Christmas to you too. What a douchebag.


    Um, why is it Jay's fault or responsibility that his writers are greedy bitches?


Because he made promises to his staff that he "would take care of them," according to Yahoo.



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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by PeterStork
    And as far as those pink slips go, this summer if/when SAG strikes over the same issue you'll see the writers walking the picket lines with them, happily taking a hit for the betterment of their fellow workers.

    (edited by PeterStork on 1.12.07 1228)


Wait, so it's ok for the separate organizations(unions), to band together to force higher salaries but it's not ok, in fact illegal, for companies to get together to keep them down? This seems pretty unfair to me.

The writers get paid for making that online content. They just don't get extra for whatever money may be earned off it. I have the same thing at my work, as does my wife. We write programs that either save our companies money or make them money. We get paid to make them but don't see any extra off it. You don't see me crying on a corner. So no I don't feel bad that they don't get paid for every little thing they think they should. And if I felt I was being treated unfairly I would certainly find another job or get a lawyer. No question.

Striking to me is the bratty kid taking the only ball and going home cause he doesn't like the rules he agreed to.

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