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Royal Rumble 1991

With my recent purchase of the Ultimate Ric Flair collection many old school questions and facts pop into my head.

The Royal Rumble in 1991,was a very historic event in pro wrestling. The match features 10 world champions of the three dominant United States' wrestling organizations.

The time of the match 1991 is very significant. 1991 was ending the "kayfabe" side of pro wrestling, and introducing the wrestling of today, sports entertainment. The men who were former champions, were champions at a time when holding the world title was important.

Rick Martell -AWA
Ric Flair - NWA/WCW/WWF
Kerry Von Erich - NWA
Randy Savage - WWF/WCW
*Sid Vicious - WWF/WCW
Undertaker - WWF
Hulk Hogan - WWF/WCW
Sgt.Slaughter - WWF
Iron Sheik - WWF
*Shawn Michaels - WWF

*These wrestlers would hold their first world titles after this match.Sid will always be important because he is on the short list of both WCW and WWF champions. HBK made his reign(s) important by treating the title in an old school way.

That is an impressive line up but consider the others in the match. Many former United States and Intercontinental title holders, as well as, Tag Team champions. It seems the event could of been as Flair described it,"The greatest collection of talent...ever."

Historians of the sport will enjoy seeing 80s long time enemy's and friends battling in this match as well as, future dream matches getting their roots.

Flair alone fights battles old foes like Snuka, Piper, Valentine, Von Erich and Slaughter. He also tangles with his fans' "dream opponent" Hulk Hogan and future superstar HBK. I for one recommend this match as the greatest match in wrestling history, if only for the sole reason of the collection of wrestlers.





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I say that any match involving Sid cannot be the most historic match in anything.

Joking.

Besides that, though, Andre the Giant against Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania III proved that the WWF could do a big-time show that was amazingly profitable, and served as a precursor to today's PPVs every month (because there's profit to be made, dammit). Plus, the promotion of the match was top-notch.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
It was 1992.
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As for historic matches consider these:
1. Sting versus Flair, Baltimore, Maryland Great American Bash Sting's first run as champ. He became WCW's marketing chip.

2. Ron Simmons beats Vader The first time a minority wins the title.

3. Andre versus Hogan Freeway was right. The first really huge card. Andre passed the torch. The main event match at a US PPV with a huge gate.

4. The Montreal screwjob Wrestling changed that day. That scenario made the internet. It wasn't so much the match, it was the aftermath and a look behind the curtain.

5. Lex Luger versus Hogan at the Mall of America. It was the first Nitro. Also, Luger had appeared the night before at a WWF PPV. WCW's first foray into really competing.

6. The Outsiders versus Savage and Sting, Bash at the Beach. The beginning of the NWO angle.





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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.34
Hart/Austin from WrestleMania 13 and Hart/Michaels from Survivor Series 97 were both pretty big turning points in the WWF/WCW war.



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Austin/Michaels from WM XIV, Austin's first title win, was also the largest PPV audience for wrestling (at that time, at least), plus it really put the Atttitude Era into superdrive.

Austin/Dude Love-Over the Edge. That match that has been copied ad nauseam and revolutionized the WWF main event style.

HBK/Taker, the first Hell in a Cell-the match that gave the WWF/E a "go-to" match to settle feuds.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79

This has become a list thread whether it was intended to or not.

I suggest a return towards posts about the card in the original post.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.70
    Originally posted by sonicslapshot
    As for historic matches consider these:
    1. Sting versus Flair, Baltimore, Maryland Great American Bash Sting's first run as champ. He became WCW's marketing chip.

    2. Ron Simmons beats Vader The first time a minority wins the title.

    3. Andre versus Hogan Freeway was right. The first really huge card. Andre passed the torch. The main event match at a US PPV with a huge gate.

    4. The Montreal screwjob Wrestling changed that day. That scenario made the internet. It wasn't so much the match, it was the aftermath and a look behind the curtain.

    5. Lex Luger versus Hogan at the Mall of America. It was the first Nitro. Also, Luger had appeared the night before at a WWF PPV. WCW's first foray into really competing.

    6. The Outsiders versus Savage and Sting, Bash at the Beach. The beginning of the NWO angle.




Hogan-Luger didn't happen on the first Nitro. Luger merely made his WCW return, while in the amazing main event, Hogan successfully defended his title against Big Bubba Rogers. The reason no one remembers this match is because Ray Traylor didn't get a chance to drag Hogan's dad's casket around the cemetary in his Blues Brothers car.



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I bought the Flair set, and found the match to be highly-overrated.

There are maybe 10 actual moves in the match, and the rest is just random punch-kick stuff.

While some of the storylines are great (Jake/Savage, the Flair/Hogan/Sid triangle), and the annoucing job is great, that's still not enough for a ***** match, IMO.



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Your right, damn, didn't Bret Hart pick a wrong time to come down with the flu.

As far as the collection of names you don't get no bigger then this, and it was the swan song for many of those guys (Snuka, Von Erich, Shiek). It was the beginning of the end for the Hulkamania era, and for the last great WWF runs for Piper and Jake Roberts, and I do believe HBK's first singles appearance since turning heel on the barber shop.

That being said, you can't ignore the external circumstances at the time, and how those scandals killed some of the forward momentum they were building in the period from Summerslam 91 to WM8.

Yeah, you had your Repo Mans and IRS's of the world, but on the whole didn't it seem like the WWF was going in a more mature direction at this point in time? Or at least testing the waters. While a Savage/Flair/Liz adultery angle, Flair running around with the NWA belt taking shots at his old bosses, and Marty Jannety getting thrown through a plate glass window may seem tame in 2004; it was cutting edge for WWF circa 1992.

Yet a year later Hogan comes back for a horrible run at top; soon follows a clown, a monster from the alps, a nuclear freak, cowboys, a narcissist, and dancing monk.

So where as this match without question should have been the changing of the guards, or, at least the acknowledgment that the guards were tired, It's impact was lost as WWF went forward in reverse.

(edited by Nag on 25.8.04 2229)


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"Yet a year later Hogan comes back for a horrible run at top; soon follows a clown, a monster from the alps, a nuclear freak, cowboys, a narcissist, and dancing monk."

I know the rest of them, but who was the nuclear freak. And I don't think that the Royal Rumble is the most historic match ever. In the grand scheme of things, how much did guys like Von Erich or Martel or even Michaels mean at the time? It's not likethe match had significance beyond the world's best wrestler winning the WWF title for a few months.
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#12 Posted on
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    I know the rest of them, but who was the nuclear freak.


Adam Bomb, if I'm not mistaken.



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#13 Posted on
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    This has become a list thread whether it was intended to or not.

    I suggest a return towards posts about the card in the original post.



Damm and I was going to reflect on WW1 been the catalyst for it all

BUT

Looking at the card it does show a lot of great names and how many of them became household names and some still are...

Hindsight .. I have 20/20 vision with hindsight ..Ric Flair is correct when he says that it was probably the greatest collection of talent ever seen in a ring, but was that looking at it from 2004 or did he or someone make the statement on the day or close after?

From Prowrestlinghistory/supercards

1992
Ric Flair won the WWF World Title by winning a "royal rumble" (62:02) which included: The Barbarian, The Berzerker, Big Boss Man, Ted DiBiase, Jim Duggan, Haku, Hercules, Hulk Hogan, Sid Justice, Rick Martel, Shawn Michaels, Col Mustafa, Roddy Piper, Repoman, Jake Roberts, Jerry Sags, Tito Santana, Randy Savage, Irwin R. Schyster, Skinner, Sgt Slaughter, Davey Smith, Jimmy Snuka, The Undertaker, Greg Valentine, Virgil, Nikolia Volkoff, Kerry Von Erich, & Warlord.

1997
Steve Austin won the "royal rumble" (50:29). Also in the match were: Cibernetico, Crush, Diesel II, Farooq, Flash Funk, Terry Funk, Goldust, Henry & Phineas Godwinn, Bart Gunn, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Hunter Hearst Helmsley, Jesse Jammes, Ahmed Johnson, Latin Lover, Jerry Lawler, Rocky Maivia, Mankind, Marc Mero, Mil Mascaras, Pierroth Jr, Razor Ramon II, Jake Roberts, Davey Smith, The Sultan, The Undertaker, Vader, and Savio Vega.

Pretty good card that one too...Steve Austin,The Rock,Undertaker,Bret Hart,HHH,Jerry Lawler,Mankind(Foley),Jake Roberts,Owen Hart,Terry Funk and I am sure I missed others...

1998 even had Bradshaw along with most of the 97 crowd

I am not saying its right or wrong all I will say is history is easier to look back on than look forward to and I can bet a lot of other people with time and motivation could find a stronger or similar card

I did like the idea of trying to find out all of wrestlings defining moment. As I stated at the top I believe it was WrestleMania 1


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    Originally posted by King Of Crap
    I bought the Flair set, and found the match to be highly-overrated.

    There are maybe 10 actual moves in the match, and the rest is just random punch-kick stuff.

    While some of the storylines are great (Jake/Savage, the Flair/Hogan/Sid triangle), and the annoucing job is great, that's still not enough for a ***** match, IMO.


Most battle royales are punch-kick affairs until you get down to the last few guys. IMO, what made RR 92 so special was Flair putting over most of the roster in one match. EVERYONE was gunning for Flair whether a fan favorite or rulebreaker (PWI's terms, not mine hee hee) and Flair made it look like anyone from the Undertaker right down to the Repo Man could finish him off and end his run.

One thing about the match that I loved that no one really mentioned was how it was split into two portions: the first being the first 15 or so guys up to the Bossman. When Bossman eliminates himself after missing Flair at the ropes, Naitch gets a chance to recapture some energy after a Flop. But when that buzzer sounded, the second portion began with Roddy Piper (who was on FIRE that night) and Flair knew he needed to pull something out of his ass to get through him and the rest of the competition. Also remember that at the time, no one ranked #5 or above ever won the Rumble, so Flair not only lasting 62 minutes but winning from the #3 spot was very important for '92. But damn, Flair had to work for his win and that was what made it so beautiful. (The victory speech Flair gave in the back just made the moment more gloriful.)

One man's 5-star match is another's DUD and I respect your views... but IMO that Rumble was one of the best matches I've seen.





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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.07
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    This has become a list thread whether it was intended to or not.

    I suggest a return towards posts about the card in the original post.
Would have been better to put it out of its misery instead.



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