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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.20
D-Lo Brown. He was massively over as a heel back in the Summer of '98. I remember going to a House Show in October '98 where he got the most heel heat of anyone. Tomko is another one. Late '07 early '08 it looked like he was gonna be a mega star. Stevie Richards is a good one. He was on fire with The BWO gimmick and was gonna get the TV Title but he left for Wcw and besides for the RTC has never gotten another push. Vader in the WWE. I thought when he came in back in '96 that he would become a bigger star than he was in WCW and it wasn't close.

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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
While on my "ECW guys who could have been bigger" rant I forgot to add Steve Corino. His Mr Old School gimmick was great and he's such a natural heel.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
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Scottyflamingo
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Blitzkrieg.

    He was a cruiserweight, so maybe I shouldn't exactly be surprised he never made it big, but even at the height of WCW's cruiserweight division, he really stood out in my eyes. His Nitro debut (against Rey Mysterio, I believe) was really something else.

    And why is everyone down on Raven in the WWF? I liked Scotty Flamingo! =)

    - StingArmy


Thanks!

But yeah, Blitzkrieg is a great answer. That guy should have been Rey Mysterio huge. I remember at the time hearing that he had photographic reflexes (meaning he could perform and move once he saw someone else do it).

La Parka was really getting over with the "Chairman of WCW" gimmick where he'd hit someone with a chair (sometimes even his own tag partner) and do that awesome awesome chicken dance.

Tajiri could have been what Muta was to the NWA in the 80's, a Japanese star that could get over without using Xenophopia. The kicks, the Octopus, the Tarantula, he had moves that popped the crowd and had faciel expressions that totally sold what was going on.

Disagree with Steve Corino though. That guy has always screamed Indie for life to me. He got pushed during ECW's Justin Credible era when anyone that wasn't worth being snapped up by WCW and the WWF got a push.

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ecwfan4life2004
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.48
The one man who has never been given a World Title yet but should most definitely have one reign before he retires. The man who has yet to get that huge push (although him dressing like Goldust was really funny) is William Regal!

William Regal deserves the world title
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
Regal proven himself to be too "chemically unreliable" to be a champion.

The guy who deserved the title, but didnt get it was Finlay
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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.77
    Originally posted by Galidor
    Regal proven himself to be too "chemically unreliable" to be a champion.


Sadly true. Regal was on fire as the 'King' and GM of Raw in 2008 and looked to be on a fast track to a world title run before he failed another drug test. That doomed him to the midcard for life.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.48
Thats a lil judgemental. We've had plenty of chemical people as champions, like Jeff Hardy, RVD, and quite a few others. Regal deserves the world title
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
    Originally posted by ecwfan4life2004
    Thats a lil judgemental. We've had plenty of chemical people as champions, like Jeff Hardy, RVD, and quite a few others. Regal deserves the world title


I wasnt judging him.
He was being pushed to the moon, got a second wellness violation, leaving him in a position, where 1 more and hes immediately fired.

WWE cannot put a world title, on someone who can lose their job like this.

Regal is one of my favorites, the facial expressions, the in ring work, he is one of the most complete performers ever, but he can not be a champion.
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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.96
    Originally posted by Galidor
    Regal is one of my favorites, the facial expressions, the in ring work, he is one of the most complete performers ever, but he can not be a champion.


Jeff Hardy also had two wellness policy violations, the last one occurring more recently than Regal's last one, and they still put the belt on him, so the two strikes don't necessarily factor into the company's decision as to who gets the belt.

One thing that could work in Regal's favor is that I believe his two strikes are for different things. If I remember correctly, the first one was for narcotics, whereas the second strike was for steroids.

Of course, the real reason that William Regal has never been world champion is that his talent to popularity ratio is inversely proportionate to that of Jeff Hardy. Still, it would be nice if he had a 30 day token run as a transitional champion at some point.
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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.48
Hell he is one of Triple H's closest friends, you'd think that would get him a short title reign
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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71

    Tajiri could have been what Muta was to the NWA in the 80's, a Japanese star that could get over without using Xenophopia. The kicks, the Octopus, the Tarantula, he had moves that popped the crowd and had faciel expressions that totally sold what was going on.


Good pick, and I'll add that Kaz Hayashi could've been another Tajiri for WCW (and later to WWF, but he never got out of developmental and quit right before they started their cruiserweight division on Smackdown). But this is getting into "really talented guys who deserved a bigger break" more than people who seemed destined for superstardom.


    William Regal!


Regal is probably second behind Christian as "best guy who's never been WWE champion," especially now that everyone becomes WWE champion. Matt Hardy used to be in the conversation but he's fading away.

    Originally posted by InVerse
    Of course, the real reason that William Regal has never been world champion is that his talent to popularity ratio is inversely proportionate to that of Jeff Hardy.


I don't think it's that William Regal is unpopular (or that Jeff Hardy is untalented -- there's a reason people thought he had Shawn Michaels potential before he chose a life of painful dives). Everyone in positions of power seem to be big fans of Regal except for Vince (likes him as an actor but doesn't think he wrestles excitingly enough), so it's not so much that his suspension hurts him, it's that it gave Vince all the reason he needed to kill his big push after being skeptically convinced to go through with it. In that sense he's the only person I can think of who's been negatively affected by a Wellness violation -- most people come back to the same push or sometimes even bigger ones. Van Dam was just the public embarrassment of getting caught, and I guess Kennedy lost the son spot because of timing but they still kept trying him as a top heel.

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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.98
I would make a distinction between "making it big" and "being the champ." Roddy Piper never held the WWF/E or WCW world belts, but he certainly made it big.

Regal, for instance, has these titles on his WWE bio:
Intercontinental Champion
World Tag Team Champion
European Champion
Hardcore Champion
WCW Television Champion
WWE Commissioner
Alliance Commissioner
Raw General Manager
2008 WWE King of the Ring

He's been a prominent WWE character for years and years.



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JustinShapiro
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
He's definitely had a strong career and meets easily meets "actual WWE Hall of Famer" criteria. I think my disappointment comes not from him never getting a main event run but in that he goes periods of time where he's a marginalized TV jobber like now when he could always be valuable. But he always seems to find his way back to a good spot; in the last three years, he's gone from Raw GM to irrelevant to IC champion to irrelevant to ECW top heel back to irrelevant.
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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
Once upon a time I thought that Ahmed Johnson and Ken Shamrock would make it big.
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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
Ahmed is one I thought would be Hulk Hogan big at the time. He looked like a beast and the fans loved him.

I've never thought World Champion when I've seen Regal. He's a great midcard title champ, but I dunno.

I never understood why 2 Cold Scorpio didn't do a LOT more. He had a great start in WCW, was strong in ECW, then became Flash Funk.
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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

    I never understood why 2 Cold Scorpio didn't do a LOT more. He had a great start in WCW, was strong in ECW, then became Flash Funk.


Didn't he have a drug problem back then? (around Flash Funk time)

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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo

      I never understood why 2 Cold Scorpio didn't do a LOT more. He had a great start in WCW, was strong in ECW, then became Flash Funk.


    Didn't he have a drug problem back then? (around Flash Funk time)

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I heard he loved the ganja, but so did RVD.
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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.68
At the end of the day it is pretty amazing that nobody gave Scott Hall a cup of coffee with any World Title.

Raven in WCW was pretty great he was the top heel midcarder for awhile, but Raven in WCW really could have been a whole lot bigger if the nWo was clogging all the top spots.

I totally agree with Shapiro on Kenny Dykstra. I'm thinking that last name as well as having him wrestle singles right after the Spirit Squad burial was too much at once. They should have kept him off tv for awhile.

I also always expected more out of Tazz in the ring when he left ECW, all he did was get fat and get hurt.

Sal Sincere would have gotten over if he wasn't slightly before his time and WAY over the top.





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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.94
    Originally posted by Galidor
    Pillman


Had he lived (and not returned to WCW, as Bischoff claimed), I like to think Pillman would have been Austin's main rival (on behalf of Mr. McMahon or not).

+1 for Raven and Tazz. Again, I think they would have been great adversaries for Austin (both), The Rock (both) and the Undertaker (Raven).

Aside from those two, in my view, I think some of the names mentioned in this thread fall under the category of, "Could have been used better," rather than "Could have made it big." I do tend to think there is a professional reason why some people aren't given that big run; they just didn't have that exact balance of "it" the more iconic people of the industry had. But that's just me.

Al Snow, Scorpio, Ron Simmons, Jinsei Shinzaki/Hakushi (guy's look was awesome), Great Muta (!!!) and Shane Douglas could all have been used so much better. Especially Douglas, but I think we kind of received that with HHH's run in 1999-2001. I think it's funny sometimes because Scott Hall and Shawn Michaels both said they expected more out of Douglas during his second WWF run in '95.

According to Hall, Douglas was brought in specifically to feud with HBK in what they thought would be standard-setting matches, but it just didn't work out. In that 2000 RF Video interview, HBK said he didn't know why Douglas didn't bring any of the innovative, edgy stuff he was doing in ECW to the WWF (which he later claims as his innovation in the business--but that could have just been the drugs...).







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