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|  #1 Posted on 25.4.03 0914.37 | Instant Rating: 6.20 | From Wrestling Observer via Rajah:
The latest estimates for the Wrestlemania 19 buyrate are in at somewhere between 525,000 and 550,000 buys, which would translate into a slightly over 1.0 buyrate.
The figure, if it holds up, would be about 35-38% below last year's Wrestlemania buyrate and about the same amount below the estimate that Linda McMahon recently gave to investors. It would also be the lowest rated Wrestlemania since 1997 which incidentally was the worst Wrestlemania of all-time.
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| #2 Posted on 25.4.03 0958.58 | Comparing WMXIX to WMXIII isn't necessary, for we all know that buyrate or not WMXIX was better. WMXIII did have the Austin-Hart classic, but I think that was about it, oh and the Taker title win. Actually, watching a tape of WMXIII I had some good memories despite the lackluster card, so it's all sentimental to me. Numbers don't mean a thing if you're entertained anyway.
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|  #3 Posted on 25.4.03 1008.42 | | It's great, they raise the price and put on the same show they have for years. A ppv with one great match, one good match, and everything else is garbage. | MoneyInk
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| #4 Posted on 25.4.03 1041.48 | | They also put on a webcast now which is much cheaper than buying the ppv from your cable company. I doubt it would make a 35% difference, but that could change the numbers slightly. | SKLOKAZOID
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| #5 Posted on 25.4.03 1327.39 | With the amount of hype and the lack of thought that went behind this PPV (from a storyline standpoint, the production was great, as always) it deserves that buyrate.
Angle vs Brock should have been more thought out. HHH-Booker should have been hyped for months in advance. Hogan-Vince should not have taken precedence over Angle-Brock. If Brock was such a weak performer that Vince-Hogan had to carry the "story" end of SMACKDOWN!, then Brock had no business even being in the main event.
Better luck next year.
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| #6 Posted on 25.4.03 1354.59 | Instant Rating: 0.00 | Back to the Arena year for WM XX which would probably be MSG.
At this rate it won't sellout | fuelinjected
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| #7 Posted on 25.4.03 1432.32 | | You'd think that'd be a wake up call to Vince that you know, the majority didn't give a flying fuck about him and Hogan. But alas, it seems that it's far from over and if they think the buyrates are bad now, wait until they do that Hunter/Nash Pay Per View in May. | redsoxnation
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| #8 Posted on 25.4.03 1439.34 | For 'pulling that number out of my ass' the weekend before Mania, I came very close to hitting this buyrate when I predicted a 1.4-1.5 buyrate. However, 500,000-525,000 isn't a 1.0 buyrate. Last I recall, a 1.0 was 400,000 buys, so 500-525,000 would put the buyrate in the 1.25 to 1.4 range. Still, this number is far short of the 850,000 buys that Linda McMahon stated was the expectation in the conference call to the suckers; I mean stock holders, before Mania.
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| #9 Posted on 25.4.03 1529.22 |
Originally posted by CajunMan
Back to the Arena year for WM XX which would probably be MSG.
At this rate it won't sellout
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| #10 Posted on 25.4.03 1733.11 |
Originally posted by MoneyInk
They also put on a webcast now which is much cheaper than buying the ppv from your cable company.
...AND of which the WWE gets a MUCH bigger cut of the payout, unlike PPV.
Excellent point!
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| #11 Posted on 25.4.03 1753.35 | Instant Rating: 5.96 |
Originally posted by CajunMan
Back to the Arena year for WM XX which would probably be MSG.
At this rate it won't sellout
They got 50,000+ people for Safeco. The East is still considered WWF country, especially New York City. Meaning? They can EASILY get 20,000+ for MSG. I say it'll sell out within the first week of ticket sales.
Then again, I have been known to lie through my teeth.
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| #12 Posted on 25.4.03 1820.16 | Originally posted by Freeway420
Originally posted by CajunMan
Back to the Arena year for WM XX which would probably be MSG.
At this rate it won't sellout
They got 50,000+ people for Safeco. The East is still considered WWF country, especially New York City. Meaning? They can EASILY get 20,000+ for MSG. I say it'll sell out within the first week of ticket sales.
Then again, I have been known to lie through my teeth.
I'd put money on wrestlemania XX selling out in less than 6 hours.
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| #13 Posted on 25.4.03 1844.39 |
Originally posted by CRZ
Originally posted by MoneyInk
They also put on a webcast now which is much cheaper than buying the ppv from your cable company.
...AND of which the WWE gets a MUCH bigger cut of the payout, unlike PPV.
Excellent point!
The point was that it would affect the ppv buyrate. Obviously they make more money off it, but it is not included in the number of ppv buys. | Cerebus
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| #14 Posted on 25.4.03 2017.03 | Instant Rating: 2.74 | The majority of the people I know who planned on seeing it said they wouldn't actually PAY for it. I had one friend who gets free PPVs by working for TW(Now called Brighthouse for some reason?!?!) and he had 30+ people come over to watch, Another group of about 20 people all went to Hooters around here and saw it, and I just caught the replay(for free) at a friends house. It really didn't look like it would be all that great, so I didn't really want to shell out the cash for it.
And gosh darnit, I actually LIKE Mania13, what's with all the hatin', huh?
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| #15 Posted on 26.4.03 0132.45 | Instant Rating: 2.59 | Now, would be a good time to hit the red alert button. I do think the point about the webcast is true. There probably is some people who did do that rather than order. However, if that did any business at all Linda would have told the stockholders that story. "Yeah, the buyrate was hella low, but if you look at the webcast, we did well or at least broke even."
The more the WWE keeps pushing people like Vince and the Senoir Tour they will keep losing money. The fans want their faces to win titles and to be entertained with some long matches or at least a spotfest or too. I think the WWE has lost its edge. They need to bust out some more ECW style matches, those were the ones that were making money. I also miss the fact that I don't see enough of the person in the character. When Rock, Austin or Mick would cut a promo, I believed that part of them believed in what they said. Angel and Jericho can do that in a blue moon, but they are more comedy than serious.
The problem I have is that I can't really identify with any of the characters. Hurricane is neat and all, but I know they won't push him. Booker can be a blue collar champion, but they obviously are not going into that direction. The rest of the roster kinda sucks on characters. HHH is an amazing heel yet, there is no one who can counter act him like Rock did. Without Rock, HHH sucks. Rock is great, but Goldberg is a miss match for him since we all know that he is leaving and they haven't done anything to build tension to the fued. Brock and Goldberg's characters are basically expect Brock has talent. Cena is someone who enjoy and I know people like him, so I at least identify with that. Benoit doesn't get enough to be a legitimate bad ass and Jericho is just a bitch. When Kurt comes back as a face it might work. I just don't see the need for writers. I say give the guys a general idea about the plot and end and let them do it. The writers have fucked up everything since Invasion. I say give the boys a shot who are not cliq members a shot.
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|  #16 Posted on 26.4.03 0155.10 | Instant Rating: 5.54 | First of all, WrestleMania IX was definitely the worst WrestleMania (honourable mention to I and II, though since the Fed was still working out the formula, I'll let them slide).
Second of all, the low buyrate means more cuts. Looks like more non-hosses are getting fired.
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| #17 Posted on 26.4.03 0526.02 | Instant Rating: 4.45 | Well, I hate to wish bad thoughts on anybody, but I think Vince got what he deserved.
He refused to make new stars in the past year (Brock aside) and it showed in the buyrate.
I've been doing a little survey at my place of employment, the results of which i will post here when I get 13 more people. And their general attitude was "I thought Rock was making movies" "Austin still wrestles?" "I thought Hogan was retired." And hardly any of the casual fans I talked to even knew who HHH was.
And vince dropped the ball even more at Mania. He could have started making stars for the next mania, but instead he fucked up again. Who went over? Hogan, HHH and Michaels. Brock's great and all, but he isn't bringing in the fans -- not by himself anyways.
I think Vince forgets the reason why 2000 was so succesful and why he had so many people watching. It wasn't HHH that got those people watching -- It was Austin, The Rock, Foley and The Undertaker in the two years previous to that. HHH just happened to be there to reap the rewards in 2000.
BUt I am sure Vince will look at this and go "Well, the buyrate was low because HHH wasn't in the main event. NExt year the main event should just be HHH by himself, sitting in the middle of the ring on a crapper reading a magazine. WoW! Think of the buyrate.' | Ender
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| #18 Posted on 26.4.03 0739.39 | Instant Rating: 10.00 | Uh... Minextoo, you mean BIG SHOW in 2000, not Undertaker.
And granted, in 2000, the main event was certainly the selling point on the show, but the undercard was still special at that point as well. The 3-way Ladder match (basically a TLC) was a new thing, and it was my personal favorite TLC-type match to date. 'Cause it was original, and they made a fort!
Now... what is there on the card that's special anymore? We have matches with a bunch of guys who do stuff that we've seen a lot in the past. There's nothing new, there's nothing special.
But... I think... what can Vince really do? How many new things can one come up with? Granted, he is being stubborn and pushing his usual BIG men... but nevertheless, even if he weren't, what could he be doing?
And I think he's giving lots of new guys a chance. Team Angle, Prototype, Brock... ... incidently, it's Smackdown where most of the newer faces are getting over...
The low buy-rate is a problem, yes... but I'm sure Vince already knows full well that there's a problem. I think he's just at a total loss of how to fix it. I don't know how to fix it, and I don't think any of you would know how to fix it either, other than all your usual ranting about how the wrong people are going over... but would it change THAT much if Booker and Jericho had of won at Wrestlemania?
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| #19 Posted on 26.4.03 0955.07 |
Originally posted by Ender
The low buy-rate is a problem, yes... but I'm sure Vince already knows full well that there's a problem. I think he's just at a total loss of how to fix it. I don't know how to fix it, and I don't think any of you would know how to fix it either, other than all your usual ranting about how the wrong people are going over... but would it change THAT much if Booker and Jericho had of won at Wrestlemania?
It wouldn't have affected the buyrate at all, but it would have helped WWE tremendously. What does WWE stand to gain by putting HHH & HBK over these days? Every time either of those two goes over in a big high profile match, it's just another step backwards.
There are more fundamental problems in WWE (the writing staff, Vince McMahon, the agents, Sephanie) that need to be completely overhauled, but the end result is this: WWE needs to develop new, interesting storylines involving characters that fit in today's world. The only way to do that is to take guys John Cena and Chris Jericho and make them better than the previous generation and write interesting stories involving them to help them appeal to the audience.
Things certainly aren't working with guys like HHH on top.
But, certain people don't react too well to change. Rock's gone off to make movies, Austin's been in-and-out for the last two years. Now that they're gone, The Clique, The Undertaker, and an ignorant Vince McMahon stand in the way.
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