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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.37
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    I mean, there's having an opinion, even an unpopular one, and that's fine, but this constitutes a complete divorce from reality. Lesnar not your cup of tea? Fine. Huge embarrassing failure? Objectively, demonstrably false.


The title was "held hostage" for over six months and there was no big payoff to the storyline other than a guy who wasn't in the match pinning a guy who wasn't the one holding the title hostage. That sounds like a pretty massive failure to me.

I'd also love to see how much Brock has gotten paid for every move he's done/taken in the last year. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get paid more per move than a lot of the roster is making in an entire year.
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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.62
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Originally posted by Horsemen4ever
      But why didn't Ambrose stop him?


    WWE's story is the powerbomb thru the ladder he took required medical treatment, and so he wasn't around to keep his promise to stop Rollins.


If they did this on purpose ("injuring" Dean in the ladder match to keep the storyline continuity going) then it is some next-level awesomeness which makes me (1) love them and (2) mad that they don't do this ALL THE TIME.

Anyway, IJ and I give this show the highest marks. And she's super glad that she can admit she always liked Seth Rollins this whole time (even if he didn't turn) because she was all-in on the Shield. (She won't go with me on loving Rusev, though, but I don't care because Rusev is an amazing professional wrestler.)

And I don't have enough heart emojis for Seth Rollins telling Roman "thank you so much" as the ref counted 3 for the final pin.

EDIT: I really, really don't understand how people can be anti-Lesnar. Really? The only thing I'll question is that the alleged point of giving the secondary titles to Cena and Bryan was that Brock's not always around, but now Seth's got the title and he's always around. (?!) OTOH, at some point Brock's going to have to go through J&J Security to get to Seth and we might as well get #RIPJamieNoble and #RIPJoeyMercury trending already.

(edited by JayJayDean on 30.3.15 0747)


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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
    Originally posted by FLRockAndLaw


    Despite the biggest MURRICA! FUCK YEAH! promo package leading to his entrance (and not-so-subtly implying that if you don't like Cena, you don't like America)... it was still hysterical to hear the fans break into "JOHN CENA SUUUUUCKS!" in next-to-no time. Stop trying to make fetch happen, WWE, it's not going to happen.



This promo package was amazing for two reasons. First, for booking this feud like it's 1983 with absolutely no winks to retro irony or anything. God bless them for keeping a straight face throughout this.

Second, for the begrudging nods to bipartisanship in the video package. You KNOW Vince wanted to have W & Reagan 'Murica!-ing exclusively, and someone in production finally convinced him that the WWE had fans who are Democrats also. I mean, ONE JFK quote? And it probably physically pained him to put throw that token Obama appearance in there.

(edited by MoeGates on 30.3.15 1046)


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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
    Originally posted by FLRockAndLaw

    I'm surprised to see Big Show with the ARMBAR, but with all the announcers talking about how he's never really won a battle royal, I guess that should've been a hint.


I was buying into that for a bit, then remembered that as The Giant, he won WCW's World War 3 3-ring/60-man battle royal in 1996. Sure, they usually skip over non-WWE stuff, but they actually MENTIONED "World War 3" by name.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
    Originally posted by MoeGates
      Originally posted by FLRockAndLaw


      Despite the biggest MURRICA! FUCK YEAH! promo package leading to his entrance (and not-so-subtly implying that if you don't like Cena, you don't like America)... it was still hysterical to hear the fans break into "JOHN CENA SUUUUUCKS!" in next-to-no time. Stop trying to make fetch happen, WWE, it's not going to happen.



    This promo package was amazing for two reasons. First, for booking this feud like it's 1983 with absolutely no winks to retro irony or anything. God bless them for keeping a straight face throughout this.

    Second, for the begrudging nods to bipartisanship in the video package. You KNOW Vince wanted to have W & Reagan 'Murica!-ing exclusively, and someone in production finally convinced him that the WWE had fans who are Democrats also. I mean, ONE JFK quote? And it probably physically pained him to put throw that token Obama appearance in there.

    (edited by MoeGates on 30.3.15 1046)


I think they used the Eisenhower where he warns against the Military Industrial Complex. The irony they probably never realized while busting out a tank is just amazing to me. I saw it with a variety of people and all of us groaned during certain parts of the montage. If anything it made me want to move to Canada. A friend of mine said Cena should bust through a foam Berlin Wall like the Kool Aid man.

(edited by lotjx on 30.3.15 0954)


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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
I kind of wonder how this show will age. The euphoria over the main event is at least in part due to WWE giving a result they had convinced (via bad TV) they were unwilling to do. If this turns out to be Sting's only WWE match, it'll be disappointing they felt they needed so much outside stuff. This would be a strange last match ever for the Undertaker and it was fine on the night, but also something people will skip right by on any rewatch of the show. Even the Rousey thing will be kind of disappointing if this is just it, and she's not back next year for something. (Especially if it's just HHH/Rock again.)

But WWE isn't making shows for how they'll hold up, they're making them for that night and this was about as good as they could've possible made it for that night. The show won on the Rusev and Cena enterances, both WrestleMania-levels of over the top in their own ways, and then they had the match they needed to have. (And they managed to neatly write Lana back in for one night and write her right back out for the movie.) The ladder match made the IC championship seem very valuable, if only for one night so far. The Rollins/Orton match gave them a highlight that should air in every Randy Orton video package for the rest of time and set up next month's main event - not just in a win/loss standpoint but also in a "I wonder how they're going to top that" way. Everyone's talked about the greatness of the main event. It even started well back in the pre-show, with the tag match probably being a standout match on a normal show and the battle royal more/better booked than the Royal Rumble.

Probably going to keep subscribing for now.



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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by MoeGates
        Originally posted by FLRockAndLaw


        Despite the biggest MURRICA! FUCK YEAH! promo package leading to his entrance (and not-so-subtly implying that if you don't like Cena, you don't like America)... it was still hysterical to hear the fans break into "JOHN CENA SUUUUUCKS!" in next-to-no time. Stop trying to make fetch happen, WWE, it's not going to happen.



      This promo package was amazing for two reasons. First, for booking this feud like it's 1983 with absolutely no winks to retro irony or anything. God bless them for keeping a straight face throughout this.

      Second, for the begrudging nods to bipartisanship in the video package. You KNOW Vince wanted to have W & Reagan 'Murica!-ing exclusively, and someone in production finally convinced him that the WWE had fans who are Democrats also. I mean, ONE JFK quote? And it probably physically pained him to put throw that token Obama appearance in there.

      (edited by MoeGates on 30.3.15 1046)


    I think they used the Eisenhower where he warns against the Military Industrial Complex. The irony they probably never realized while busting out a tank is just amazing to me. I saw it with a variety of people and all of us groaned during certain parts of the montage. If anything it made me want to move to Canada. A friend of mine said Cena should bust through a foam Berlin Wall like the Kool Aid man.

    (edited by lotjx on 30.3.15 0954)


Oh man. What kind of reaction is Rusev going to get when they go to Canada? May 4th RAW in Montreal!



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    The Rollins/Orton match gave them a highlight that should air in every Randy Orton video package for the rest of time and set up next month's main event - not just in a win/loss standpoint but also in a "I wonder how they're going to top that" way.


If they somehow nail a Firebird Splash-into-RKO combo the WWE will have earned my $9.99/month for several months coming.



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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.20
    Originally posted by MoeGates
      Originally posted by thecubsfan
      The Rollins/Orton match gave them a highlight that should air in every Randy Orton video package for the rest of time and set up next month's main event - not just in a win/loss standpoint but also in a "I wonder how they're going to top that" way.


    If they somehow nail a Firebird Splash-into-RKO combo the WWE will have earned my $9.99/month for several months coming.


Thinking back to January, Rollins used a twisting flip to land on his feet after being yanked away from the ropes by Cena. It was amazing.

Then there's this, which is just unreal. The agility to catch that air and flatten out for the RKO (and all the kudos to Orton for lifting at exactly the right time). Rollins again used the running powerbomb into the corner last night as he has against the much beefier Cena. And he hit that giant elbow drop on Lesnar at the Rumble before the Phoenix Splash.

This guy is something different.

(edited by Matt Tracker on 30.3.15 1135)


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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.45
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Tenken347
      2. The secret theme of the evening appears to be "fuck finishers." Literally every match had somebody kicking out of or escaping a finisher. Several matches had multiple broken finishers.


    I thought they were actually surprisingly reserved with the number of finisher kick outs this year. It seemed to be far less than the past few years.


I seem to remember Lesnar still going after 3 Superman punches and 2 spears..

But even before the main event Jerry Lawler literally noted two or three times "because it's WRESTLEMANIA!!" when JBL wondered how some guy continued to survive 'death' (finishing) moves. Oh, okay then.

And I forgot to note in the first place the high unintentional comedy quotient when they revealed the King of Kings-inator get-up. (At least you can explain this by supposing big-money movie tie-in deals are what's best for business.)



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.81
    Originally posted by InVerse
    The title was "held hostage" for over six months and there was no big payoff to the storyline other than a guy who wasn't in the match pinning a guy who wasn't the one holding the title hostage. That sounds like a pretty massive failure to me.

    I'd also love to see how much Brock has gotten paid for every move he's done/taken in the last year. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get paid more per move than a lot of the roster is making in an entire year.


The title was on the guy Vince decided it should be on. There couldn't be a payoff to the storyline because Brock signed a new deal and that changed the landscape. Him getting beaten clean by Reigns would have been moronic given his new deal and the negative overall reaction to Reigns. As for your latter point, you've been posting on this board for ages, as I have, so I know you know wrestlers aren't paid per move. He's a bigger deal than anyone else. If they weren't paying him that much maybe they'd book him as shitty as they do the rest of the guys, so some of that may be a self-fulfilling prophecy, but it's not incumbent upon Lesnar to turn down big money because someone may resent him for it.





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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.63
    Originally posted by lotjx
    David Metzler
Now you're just trolling us.
    Originally posted by lotjx
    this dumpster fire inside a cluster fuck.
As ridiculous as David Metzler's belief that this was one of the all-time great WWE shows. There's a middle ground somewhere.

Also wouldn't it be more likely to find a cluster fuck inside of a dumpster? Someone would need to set the dumpster fire after the cluster fuckers started cluster fucking, or maybe there is a friction component I have not yet considered.
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I know Sting/HHH. Why? Honest to God, why have this match?
Can't really argue here, except it was super hilarious campy garbage. It was either great entertainment or a disastrous misfire depending on how you look at it. I still haven't decided. It needed run-ins from the Misfits in Action and the ECW Originals and Blood Runs Cold.
    Originally posted by lotjx
    No, we don't need six months of Rock/Rhonda vs HHH/Steph at SummerSlam.
Good news! You're getting a year.
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Cena's montage was everything wrong about America.
NO IT FUCKING RULED USA USA USA USA

Seriously I hope Cena rides a bald eagle to the ring tonight while red, white, and blue fireworks go off and Cena's new manager, a hologram Ronald Reagan, raps the Pledge of Allegiance over The Stars and Stripes Forever.



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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.63
    Originally posted by InVerse
    I'd also love to see how much Brock has gotten paid for every move he's done/taken in the last year. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get paid more per move than a lot of the roster is making in an entire year.
As HMD alluded to, if you have a problem with that, your problem is with Vince, not with Brock.



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.45
Okay, if so many people are talking about the RKO spot - let's at least admit that while it was a cool thing, it was mostly a camera trick.

For the Curb Stomp, the guy taking the move is always on all fours, I think I noticed Orton use an arm to help cushion the bump when he took one (and kicked out.. "because it's WRESTLEMANIA!!"). Anyhow, for the big spot, the only way to propel Rollins that high into the air was for Orton to be on his feet, bent over.

It was the director who kept that so well hidden, keeping the shot on Rollins while he was setting up, and then cutting at the last second to a cockeyed-angle, ringside camera - an unusual angle that was disorienting enough to take your attention off Orton not being in normal position for the move. Which he had a good reason not to be.

Full marks all around for how they made it come off, but I think this group would appreciate the stagecraft as much as any bunch of smarks.



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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.89

Short & sweet for me. It was better than I expected, and I fully appreciate how they backed out of the Reigns/Lesnar mess.

On the HHH/Sting match, was I the only one thinking this was an (un?)intentional tribute or response to the "Wrestling isn't Wrestling" video?

Only time I lost the feed was during the Steph/Rock/HHH promo...no loss there.
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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.18
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      The main event would have been more tolerable if it was Rollins vs Reigns and we didn't have to suffer through the boring crap of Lesnar. Wish Reigns would have won, but let's hope this leads to a Shield battle and the huge embarrassing failure of Lesnar can be forgotten.


    This.

    Is completely insane.

    I mean, there's having an opinion, even an unpopular one, and that's fine, but this constitutes a complete divorce from reality. Lesnar not your cup of tea? Fine. Huge embarrassing failure? Objectively, demonstrably false.




It was a failure in that given that Brock has less of a move set than Kevin Nash and the matches that he was in were dull and emotionless (aside from the triple threat, only because Lesnar was napping outside and Cena/Rollins did all the work), what did Lesnar actually DO for the belt that couldn't have been done by a full-timer? On top of that, it doesn't help that Lesnar brings the worst types of "fans" with him, as well.
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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.05
I thought it was a great show, as a whole. Maybe there isn't going to be one match that really sticks out as a greatest of the great, but from the opening match to the main event, I thought all of the matches were well done. The only parts that left me shaking my head was HHH going over, but even when he did, it was after having the whole of DX in his corner in comparison of only 3 nWo guys.

Cena going over doesn't make sense either, but in one night, they gave some real legitimacy to both the IC belt with Bryan's win, and the US belt with Cena's win.

The fatal four way tag was the perfect way to kick off the show, and the way they set it up to write the injured Uso out of the match was clever.

The Battle Royal served it's purpose, and I enjoyed them giving the spotlight to Itami for making it in the show (I thought he was impressive while he was active), letting the Miz/Mizdow story play out.

The ladder match was fun, and for a second I was hoping that Ziggler and Bryan would pull a simultaneous pull down of the IC belt and have a feud as the co-champions.

Orton and Rollins was great, and that RKO out of the Curb Stomp was amazing.

The Divas got to do their thing and not end up being the annual filler between the main event and rest of the card.

Taker and Bray was what it was. Taker looked better than he did last year, and looks like he'll be ready to hang them up next year in Dallas. I would love if they gave him the Flair treatment, with a HOF induction the night before his last ride.

Ronda Freakin' Rousey. Not bad of the WWE to get the hottest property in the industry to appear on the show. Right, Rock was there too.

Reigns and Lesnar was good. I liked the idea of both of the WWE powerhouses hitting each other with their arsenal and not putting the other down. It totally worked well with Rollins coming in to cash in and steal the belt.

I thought the crowd was great, and the open air stadium seemed to hold in the crowd reaction better than I expected.
I've been planning on Making WM32 my first Mania next year, this show only increased my anticipation for Dallas.

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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.62
OK WUT

    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
    It was a failure in that given that Brock has less of a move set than Kevin Nash


I'm pretty sure Nash wasn't busting out Fisherman's Suplexes and all kinds of crazy throws. And how believable is "Brock, you're a superhuman monster according to the booking...could you throw some dropkicks, just 'cuz?"


    and the matches that he was in were dull and emotionless (aside from the triple threat, only because Lesnar was napping outside and Cena/Rollins did all the work)


You need to rewatch that match. Lesnar "napped" for much of the last act after basically dominating the first two acts of the match. It wasn't a match of the year between Cena and Rollins featuring Brock Lesnar.


    what did Lesnar actually DO for the belt that couldn't have been done by a full-timer?


Which full-timer would you suggest could've done that? The one most-equipped from storyline perspective would've gotten crapped on so hard. (Hint: It's John Cena.) The other one is probably the guy they planned to elevate up there (Reigns), only fans hated that, too.


    On top of that, it doesn't help that Lesnar brings the worst types of "fans" with him, as well.


But *you* were already *here*.



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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
This was the highlight of the night!

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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
The neighbors had to watch at least the first two hours on their phones as the network wasn't letting them watch it on laptop/tv. They said when they called WWE customer service, the service reps either didn't say a whole lot and they actually got hung up on twice.
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