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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
MVP of the night goes to my brother for his line during Shane's entrance. He turned to me and says, with a complete straight face, "is Undertaker going to chokeslam Shane's kids through a table?"

I think I would've booked the results of almost every single match on this show differently but it was still okay.



George Michael weighed his options. Maeby had chastised him for not taking risks, and what would be a bigger risk than perpetuating a lie about software just to ignite the passions of a woman? Of course it would be a lie, and since Maeby wouldn't know it was a lie, he wouldn't appear to be taking a risk. Perhaps the bigger risk was to tell his father he was lying, that he came up with it because he wanted his father to leave so he could enjoy what remained of his senior year. After all, he wondered, wouldn't that be the course of action taken by an overtly sexual man, a man who owns a pair of matador pants? He had not responded now for 41 seconds according to his unfailing internal clock, and it was time to come clean.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
ALL OF THIS
WAS BAD

except for Zack.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.80
I don't care about what else happened in the show. And I don't care that his interview was tempted fate, essentially telegraphing a 24 hour title reign. And I certainly don't care that there's people that will be unhappy that he won, and some never liked the guy int he first place.

After building up a huge following on his own, he was buried. Intentional? Probably. The guy was hardly ever on TV, he was buried that much. Still, he kept on working, albeit much more cynical than usual. Guy goes down to NXT and becomes one of those "solid hands", as others have referred to him as. Then by all accounts, he gets into the match because someone else got injured.

His reign will seriously probably only last 24 hours. He's going to get fed to Owens, or some other hot new act (Joe? Balor Club? Baron Corbin). If it doesn't, he actually provides fresh matchups for the belt. Owens and Miz. Ziggler he has history with.


Or he's going to get crushed. You see how I come back to this? Because it happened before. I don't care. For one night, in front of his dad and 100k people, Zack Ryder climbed the ladder and won the Intercontinal title. On the same week he pinned Jericho, who was on his ninth birthday party cake. And he gets to hang out with Emma after.

Just like how I choose to believe that WM 30 was the ending of Daniel Bryan's career, this is the end for Zack Ryder. As much as I can be happy for a professional athelete whom I have never (and will never) met, I'm thrilled for him.

#WWWYKI

Women's match was excellent, I love the new belt. Charlotte works as the first champ. Crowd was into it too! I liked it a lot.

Shane's spot was sick, and the match was okay I guess? More meh except the spot.

Rest of the shoe was ehhhhhhhhhhh, with the main event being baaaaaaaaaad.

EDIT: Baron Corbin winning the Battle Royal was dope, and I endorse a month-long (or longer) program between him and Ryder or him and Kalisto.

(edited by El Nastio on 4.4.16 0057)

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.43
I think the show peaked with the women's match, but my feed was breaking up so frequently during that one that I'm not sure. (This was not a good weekend for streaming video of wrestling shows.)

Roman/HHH was not a match people wanted to see, went too long, and was at a point where everyone was way too tired to give it a chance even it had been good. Shane versus UT completely depended on your wiliness to suspend disbelief about Shane apparently being tougher than anyone Undertaker had ever fought at WrestleMania, and/or how much you liked the big bump at the end. (I had trouble with both.)

The New Day losing to the Legion to set up HBK, Foley and Austin to get their moment seemed a bad use of moments, and more a sign they neglected to find anything for those guys to do and had to force them in the show. The ladder match was really good and the surprise winner was nice, even though the good times can't possibly last long for Ryder. Kalisto/Ryback was good for the 10% of the crowd in the building at the time, and the women's 10 match was perfectly fine for a RAW match. (So was Styles/Jericho. Dudleys/Usos felt more like a Superstar match.)

Having an NXT guy get a big surprise win makes sense, with just about any other NXT guy than Baron Corbin. (Among other reasons, he's a guy who probably needs video packages to get him over - throwing him out there in matches now will be doom.)

I think I'm missing RAW to go watch the basketball & baseball tomorrow, but I'm really curious what freak out/correction will come on that show.

(edited by thecubsfan on 3.4.16 2359)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.66
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    ALL OF THIS
    WAS BAD

    except for Zack.


I was going to write a long rant, but this is pretty much it.

Styles, Ambrose, Sasha/Becky, Shane. Any one of those could have gone over and they all lost.

I don't think there's any plans for Lesnar after last year, and I fear he's just going to be pinned by Big Show down the road. Ambrose was it. I'm really convinced of that and the shitty way they treat one of their best characters is astounding.

But hey, Zack Ryder winning the IC Title was great. I would have been happy with Zayn, but was elated by Ryder. He deserves it. Too bad it came too late, but it happened at the biggest possible moment for him.

I don't understand what they did with Austin/Rock/HBK/Cena/Foley at all. Really dumb. It's cool to give Legends a celebratory moment, but they really fucked over current talent to do it.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.83
Tough night for Wrestlemania undefeated streaks, as both Shane McMahon and Tatanka (!) saw their respective 2-0 perfect records get snapped, plus Diamond Dallas Page eats a loss in his first Mania bout since beating Christian at WM18. It occurs to me that if Bray had gone over Cena at WM30, Undertaker's new role at Wrestlemania could've been "streakbreaker," looking to stop anyone from getting even close to his record. He beats rebooked Bray last year, Shane this year and...uh....Baron Corbin next year?

The women's match was awesome. Good on WWE for treating it as a co-main event and giving it all the time in the world. I'm fine with Charlotte winning though I think we were all amped to see the Boss take it.

Zack Ryder getting a major breakthrough Wrestlemania win in 2016 as opposed to, say, four years ago makes zero sense but screw it, I agree with El Nastio's post. Ryder is well-deserving of a big moment, even if it's long overdue.

Shane McMahon is crazy. As much as the storyline status quo is being retained by him winning, I'm honestly glad that an Undertaker Wrestlemania loss wasn't wasted on the damn boss' son wrestling for the first time in years.

So now.....why job Styles? Why job the New Day? Why job Ambrose in 10 minutes after just one F5 when literally the entire build was based around how Ambrose was a wildman who wouldn't stay down? Why give Baron Corbin, of all NXT guys, the big battle royale win? (Nakamura as a surprise entry would've blown the roof off the building.) Why give Triple H another chance at sustaining his "boring Mania main event every seven years" streak?

Just when you think Vince McMahon is a promotional genius, remember that this show had Rock and Shaquille O'Neal in unannounced matches.

(edited by Big Bad on 4.4.16 0526)


George Michael weighed his options. Maeby had chastised him for not taking risks, and what would be a bigger risk than perpetuating a lie about software just to ignite the passions of a woman? Of course it would be a lie, and since Maeby wouldn't know it was a lie, he wouldn't appear to be taking a risk. Perhaps the bigger risk was to tell his father he was lying, that he came up with it because he wanted his father to leave so he could enjoy what remained of his senior year. After all, he wondered, wouldn't that be the course of action taken by an overtly sexual man, a man who owns a pair of matador pants? He had not responded now for 41 seconds according to his unfailing internal clock, and it was time to come clean.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    MVP of the night goes to my brother for his line during Shane's entrance. He turned to me and says, with a complete straight face, "is Undertaker going to chokeslam Shane's kids through a table?"



My favorites I read online were:

"I don’t know why Shane brought his kids with him, unless he plans to use them as weapons."

“Damn, the Mean Street Posse shrunk!”
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.07
So how in the hell did that crowd never chant "BOOOOOOORRRRRIIIINNNNG !!!!!" during that main event???

Definitely not the smarky crowd this year like they've had the past couple of years. Barely any chants throughout the night and even the booing of Reigns wasn't that loud.

Really nice to see Ryder win the belt, but way way way waaaaaaaaay too late. I also have a bad feeling that Zack gets murdered on Monday night.

Was Ryder's dad supposed to jump into the ring? Just a weird moment when the dad put his Shawn Michael's souvenir cowboy hat on Zack's head and Zack immediately tore it off and threw it to the mat as he turned away from his dad. Then his dad just seemed to uncomfortably stumble away.

Triple-H's Wrestlemania entrances just get weirder and weirder.

(edited by Kevintripod on 4.4.16 0000)
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.22
Caveat - didn't watch. Probably won't.

I read in a couple of places that the crowd was chanting for Bayley during the main.

Sometimes the competitors cop the blame for this via a de-push, but for this event I doubt that will happen.

What are the chances that Bayley gets called up to the main roster and put into a Molly Holly / Mickie James-esque fat/jealous angle?

EDIT: Sorry - shit day in the salt mines. Probably being overly negative.

(edited by Big G on 4.4.16 0629)


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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.16
Maybe relying so heavily on the cast of 2000 is a poor idea.

Thumbs Down.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
VKM is digging his heels in with Roman, just like with Cena in 2006.

Stop waiting for that mythical heel turn just around the corner. We've all seen this play before & know how it ends.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    even the booing of Reigns wasn't that loud.


I disagree with that. Crowd did not care for Roman Reigns, but after about 6 hours, I don't think they could keep up any sustained reaction to anything.

Actually, I thought this was a pretty good show. Choices for who went over were weird as hell, but I just keep comparing the show to last year's, and this one wins that comparison hands down. The ladder match and the women's match were genuine high points. I loved Ryder winning (Woo Woo Woo - You Know It!), and I'm actually okay with Charlotte retaining, because it would have been a real disservice to her to be the last Divas champion and somebody else get to be the first Women's champion. Let her be part of that transition. Also, it secretly turns out that everybody, everybody always hated saying "Divas." That actually makes me feel a lot better about a lot of things. Everybody's a Superstar now. And I was as okay with Roman Reigns as I think I'm ever going to get. This was a complete "Hell or high water" situation, but at least this year they actually bothered to book a real feud with Reigns, he had a reason to fight HHH, and even though, like all right-thinking people, I hate Roman Reigns, this is not actually because of Roman Reigns in any way, so, there you go.

My only real complaint was the Ambrose/Lesnar "match." I could go on all day, but I'll just steal Justin's routine here. ALL OF THAT. WAS BAD.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.41
I have forgotten better Manias than this one. Ok, it's time for reak talk. The part timers are killing this company. You either ride on what you have or just tell the guys who work there ever day that they are window dressing. The women's division like it was in 2003 to 2006 is going to be the saving grace of Raw. This was the worst Mania of the last ten years if not ever.





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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.95
I was enjoying WrestleMania as it rolled along. I did watch the entire two-hour pre-show so I knew I was in for six hours of this. Zack Ryder winning? Well, that was the oddest choice, but sure, why not. Jericho winning? That ties them up 2-2 I think, so yet another AJ/Jericho match coming along? Okay. Barrett isn't wrestling? League of Nation wins? Uh, that's weird. Michaels, Foley & Austin coming out together and beating them up? Cheap pops for the crowd I guess. Austin's beer gut was visible. I was annoyed that Foley took the time to give a beer to the guy his daughter is dating.

Lesnar kills Ambrose? Expected. Charlotte retains? It sucked that her dad was the reason. It'd have made more sense for Snoop to be ringside to counter Flair, but I guess they wanted Charlotte to be the "first" women's champion.

Shane gets killed by the Undertaker for half an hour? I guess all the stips were to get us to believe Undertaker could lose. Shane was presented as too strong. I have a hard time believing he is on the level of any wrestler, let alone the Undertaker. Jumping off the cell is nuts, but I did see the airbag under the table slowly deflating.

Battle Royal going on second to last? Shaq? Tatanka being in it was alright for nostalgia. Corbin winning? If it winds up meaning anything, sure.

Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders? Oh here's the Rock, that's why. Rock dicks around forever. Wyatt Family comes out. Rock wants a match. Quickly beats Rowan, which I'm fine with. Cena comes out. I guess they wanted him to make an appearance.

By this time I'm exhausted, and I see they're well past their four hour window. Triple H gets a weird entrance. Steph made sense. All the guys in masks carrying titles I guess was beyond me as I was struggling to stay awake. Crowd is booing Roman the entire match. Steph gets speared by Roman. Spears Triple H. Superman Punch to Triple H. After nearly half an hour, it's over and Roman is a 3x champ to boos. Crappy match, and Roman is boring. Superman Punch and Spears are not a good moveset to indicate one has any talent in wrestling.

Five hours (plus two more for the pre-show!) was way too long. Rock's segment was too long. I get people love the Rock, but if I wanted to see the Rock not wrestle for that long a time, I'd watch one of his movies.

I was very positive at the beginning of the night, and was fine with things until Hell in a Cell started. From that point on it went to shit.

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.17
The irrational Reigns hate from delusional smarks, still trying desperately to scream out about about nobody likes Reigns despite evidence and facts being contrary to their cause (they tried doing it before with Cena too) is just sad at this point.

I thought the whole show - with the exception of Lesnar/Ambrose - was good, and that's only because Lesnar continues to be a talentless gasbag who contributes nothing to the show yet continues to go over everyone for some absurd reason.

    Originally posted by steven87gill
    VKM is digging his heels in with Roman, just like with Cena in 2006.


And, like in 2006, VKM was vindicated and, ultimately, proven right while the people who thought they know better than someone with over 30+ years experience were proven wrong.



(edited by wannaberockstar on 4.4.16 0835)
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#16 Posted on
I was going to start this thread last night, but was too tired (drunk?) to do it.

Thrilled for Zack Ryder. Let's just keep him away from Swagger, Kane and Eve Torres for a while.

For obvious reasons, totally OK with my boy Jericho getting the win. Baby Jerichofan still loves his light up jacket.

I thought New Day doing the job was absolute booty. They still could have worked the legends into that segment another way. Still, I marked hard for HBK and Austin.

Lesnar-Ambrose was an absolute disappointment, beginning to end. Ambrose can't even kick out of one F5?

The women's match was phenomenal. I also thought Snoop would prevent Flair interference, giving Sasha her big moment, but alas.


Taker-Shane was long and not particularly good. I figured Shane was coming off the cell one way or another, good thing that table was gimmicked. Glad things will remain status-quo on Raw, UNLESS they get technical and bring up that Vince only said Shane had to do the match, not win it.


Two years ago, the Wyatts were a big up and coming act. Now, they're getting punked by The Rock and Cena in a segment that just dragged on and on? I don't see how they recover from this. I'm glad Lillian had a stopwatch on her to know the exact time of The Rock-Rowan, um, "match" a half-second after it ended.

Reigns-Triple H? ALL OF THIS. WAS BAD. The crowd gave no damn about either of them, and I dread the rematch Triple H will want next month.

Worst Mania ever? Not by a long shot, but a step back after the last handful were pretty solid










(edited by jerichofan717 on 4.4.16 0746)

(edited by jerichofan717 on 4.4.16 0954)
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
I'm trying to temper my response until after I see what Raw offers me.

I'm at a kind of crossroads with the product now. This isn't one of those "OH FUCK THIS I'M OUT AND HERE'S WHY" posts, more of a therapeutic talking through issues and frustrations. I've been realizing for some time that this show is not meant for me. I'm able to reconcile that by having at least a few parts which feel as though they were made specifically for me. I had none of those last night and that bums me out more than any booking decision which can be changed or ignored tonight.

Ryder won. I'm not huge on him, never have been, but this was a pleasant surprise. More importantly, I took it as a huge shift in what we were going to get, a shift that would highlight those who continue to work hard, day in and day out, despite their treatment by creative. (That feeling of hope wasn't exactly shat upon by this show; I can't come up with anything specifically ruining those feelings other than the WWF 2000 Main Event segment, which was only saved by RUSEV having a top-three Stunner sell. The official list is now Rock, Shane, Rusev.) But to follow that with Jericho beating Styles blew my fucking mind. What is the purpose of Jericho winning? Who does it elevate? What does it progress? Styles was up 2-1 in their series, for all intents it was over. Jericho says he only comes back to put over new talent. Styles ain't exactly new, but he is WWE new. Jericho put over fucking Fandango at Wrestlemania but jobbing to Styles was the wrong way to go with this?

The New Day match was fine; we've seen better from these guys and we've seen worse. That's the problem though. WWE has fallen into this ridiculous rut of booking feuds by having the people involved wrestle each other numerous times to build the feud. But why? Why not keep them apart from each other and then have one big blowoff match (or three, or five? I don't want to see New Day vs The Lads on Raw, then Smackdown, ad infinitum to build for their SummerSlam feud). Giving the audience a reason to differentiate the big shows from a normal episode of Raw is a GOOD thing, a GOOD thing that they keep ignoring. They have the roster size to keep the feud fresh, but they choose not to. I don't get it and I don't like it because it doesn't make any sense. The Attitude Main Event run-in seemed shoehorned rather than planned and that sucks. Woods ate the pin, which is fine. It gave LoN a win and they need wins to be relevant. But then that's all thrown off the building to get completely destroyed by guys who had no business in the ring 5 years ago, let alone now. Just stupid.

The women's triple threat was fine too. The wrong person won, but whatever. Two things stood out in the worst ways: Becky sucks at the Backstabber to Banks Statement transition. They tried it twice and she just failed. And Michael Cole can't tell the difference between Charlotte Flair and Sasha Banks to save his life. It took me out of everything happening and was again, stupid.

Shane McMahon. I love him. He's the real lunatic. I was very uncomfortable the whole time he lead up to that spot. Like, I had to make a conscious decision that I was willing to potentially watch a guy die, or at the very least hurt himself very badly, just to be entertained by a match that had no real bearing on anything. I don't like that I had to make that decision and I don't feel good about it. I can't imagine what his family felt while sitting front row. I'm happy he's ok, but there was no need for that and I would be fine if I never had to make the decision to watch something like that again because I probably won't watch next time.

Lesnar-Ambrose was not good. There was so much they could've done and so many ways they could've gone and they just... didn't. Whatever.

I didn't watch the ARMBAR because I had to put my son to bed but I'm happy Corbin won. I'm concerned that he's going to be a fart in the wind because, as has been said, he's a guy who needs vignettes to get over on the main roster. We'll see how it goes but I have no real expectations for greatness here.

    Originally posted by Tenken347
      Originally posted by Kevintripod
      even the booing of Reigns wasn't that loud.


    I disagree with that. Crowd did not care for Roman Reigns, but after about 6 hours, I don't think they could keep up any sustained reaction to anything.
From what I've heard, they turned the crowd mics way down. There was a noticeable shift in audio levels at least twice during the main event. Could be streaming issues or it could be what others are saying. I'm no genius but if you have to go that far to protect your guy, maybe your guy isn't the right one.

At least Stephanie looked super ridiculous hot last night, so there was that. I guess. This was not a good show. I would be fine with the winners if there was a logical progression or a good story to explain the strange choices but again I don't have hope. I'll see how this pans out on Monday. It might be time to take a little break though. None of this is for me anymore. At least Nakamura completely captured my imagination this weekend.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.18
I dunno, I saw a good number of pops for Reigns last night. It wasn't everyone, no, but by the AITA Factor (Arms In The Air), he has a good sized group of fans.

I wonder if after the show HHH told Stephanie "C'mon, Steph ... leave the outfit on. Let's just go back to the hotel like that ..."

I'm with those who called the UT-Shane match more uncomfortable than entertaining. Him going to the top was useless and pointless. That said, there's gotta be more to this storyline, right? They didn't just bring him back for one match, did they?

I think where I'm struggling -- and I suspect others are, too -- is that WrestleMania used to be where things FINISHED. It was the Road to WrestleMania -- a destination, an end. And yeah, new things would start at WrestleMania, too. But I think there was too much on this show that was just the middle of a story. And that doesn't seem right for WrestleMania.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.64
"The Either-Shut-Up-And-Watch-Or-Turn-Off-The-TV Era" doesn't have the same ring to it.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
Ryder winning was nice. I did think it was funny that they aired that snickers commercial later in the show. I too believe he's a transitional champ. There's no way Neville was planned to win right?

Are Shane's kids named Pete, Rodney, and Joey?

Shaq will be the celebrity inductee in 2017.

Boo, Orlando boo. Boooooooo.

Glad Steph still got a 5 min promo in.

Very surprised that Shawn of all people broke out the tights. He loves coming out in his huntin gear.

I thought DBZ was over in 2002?

Overall just meh.
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