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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.45
It was a 7 out of 10 for me. I thought Taker/HBK II was better then the first one since they actually told a better story and most of the spots were good. Good call going on last since nothing was going to top that. Someone needed to show Batista/Cena a tape of Rock/Austin at WM X-7 and say, "This is pretty much what we expect from you guys and so do the fans." It wasn't terrible, it was actually good, but it needed to be great. I was happy to see Jericho get a meaningful win and the spear through the barricade was the spot of the night. Bret destroying Vince was spot on, but it could have done without the numerous chair and crowbar shots. If any match needed a few less minutes its this one.

Rey/Punk was good, loved Rey using the frogsplash as well as Serena willing to sacrifice herself for Punk. I am ok with Rey going over even though there was a lot of story potential for him as SES. Yet, with the writers these days they would have found away to mess it up. It was better for Rey to get revenge for his daughter here then down the road when it would be a clusterfuck. MITB was ok, didn't see Swagger winning it which was a nice surprise, but it reaffirmed my belief Christian is only there to be a guy to put others over instead being champion material now that ECW is closed. Even wit the Eddie tribute, the Divas match was garbage and was begging for a Kong beatdown. The tag match was criminally short. All in all, it wasn't a bad Wrestlemania. I just think we all saw the card and went "Holy Shit, this is going to be awesome." I said earlier this week that maybe we were hyping this up to hard and sadly I think I was right. The sad part is that tonight will be another night of Cena prancing around while everyone continues to stay in holding patterns. I do hope they give Shawn a going away party as well as Bret, but I get the feeling we are going to be stuck in Wrestlemania rematch hell for a few months. I don't think its the right move, I am sure the rating will be big tonight since it traditionally is, but damn if this product doesn't look stale.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.92
I wish Punk/Mysterio had been give 10+ more minutes to work together (and that Punk went over to continue the feud...). How 'bout that creepy new Punk t-shirt?

    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    And why did Rey Mysterio come out as MAX MOON, of all people?


Someone else referred to it above, and my girlfriend was the first to figure it out in our group: he was a Nav'i from Avatar. Hence the giant ponytail.

I have no complaints about the ending match...I figured Taker would win and it deserved to be on last. I enjoyed both title matches, especially Cena posing afterwards with the anti-Cena-t-shirt-brigade. Also, my favorite sign of the night was "AXIOMATIC." (and Jericho going over.)

The women's match unfortunately summed up everything that is wrongheaded about the division right now. And whose music did the faces come out to? Was that Gail's?

Wasn't really feeling the Sportz Entertainment match with the Hitman, sadly.

I thought Sheaums was going over...and one of the Legacy guys, rather than the Established Veterans.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
I'm in the "thought it was great fun" camp. A couple of matches seemed a bit rushed - the tag match in particular - but I thought that was more down to them trying to get too many people on the card than anything else. Both title matches, Money In The Bank and Taker v HBK were all really good, and the rest of the matches were pretty darn fun.

It was the first time I've ever had to spend money on a WWE PPV and, while I didn't have to fork out $60, I don't regret it in the least.

Edit - Did Jerry actually make a "PY-Romania!" joke when they were talking about all the new countries WM was airing in? If so it was.....actually quite funny, but then I'm a sucker for terrible puns.



(edited by dMr on 29.3.10 1247)
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
I want CM Punk's GI JOE outfit to win the Intercontinental Championship. That is fantastic. He worked his ass off out there, and he would be the WWE's best all-around performer if not for Jericho. Having both of them currently on one weekly show is an embarrassment of riches.

I was disappointed by Edge's win at first until I realized Jericho successfully defended a world belt at WrestleMania. That's a hefty silver lining. Man, did the crowd get ready for Jericho's spear. If this match leads to a prop-heavy repeat at Extreme Rules, I think that's fine. They can be creative with the plunder. Edge's pigtails of wrath look sillier every week. Doing it in time to "spear" chants is ridiculous.

Cena/Batista was a thousand times more fun that I expected, and I credit Cena as we heard him call spots the entire match. He did good. They both muscled into some nice spots, so give Batista kudos as well. Loved LOVED Cena posing with the hater corner after the match. That's the biggest smile he's ever sported. The Trackers loved the Air Force entrance too. From start to finish, this was big fat fun.

Taker and Michaels was exhausting, and I agree that the leaping Tombstone is a muthafuckin' death move. It's a clear declaration that that's it, the Iron Chef battle is OVAH. The Lovely Mrs. Tracker noticed Taker's still-red burned skin right before he ate some Shawn chops, and that made us curl up into balls of agony. Boo to Cole for saying disbelief was sweeping across Taker's face for the first time ever. First time since last year in the very same match, maybe.

Swagger's win is the PPV's sole elevation of a midcarder, and I'm glad to see someone get the push. I like everything about Swagger, and I hope he gets a respectable showing when he cashes it in. The Lovely Mrs. Tracker, still carrying Epic Win Tracker in her womb, laughed with glee at Kofi's ladder-stilt spot.

Short matches hurt the show's energy for me but at least we didn't have a mini-concert this year. The shot of Taker's entrance screen through the opening in the roof was awesome.

There's a lot to like here.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.97
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
      Originally posted by The Game
      I would also like to add that there was just no emotion, chemistry, or intensity in any of the matches (besides perhaps HBK and Taker). The crowd in my opinion was not showing any signs of life for a good portion of the PPV and that was the key...there really was no "life" to this PPV.


    Really? That was one of the hottest stadium crowds they ever had. They killed the crowd dead with the whole "Vince bought off the whole Hart family" bit. That was a really dumb thing to do. It took a long time to get them back, but the crowd was back in time for the end.

    As far as time management goes, it's better to make your opening matches shorter instead of being forced to cut your main events short. Jericho-Edge, Cena-Batista and Shawn-Taker got all of the time they needed. And all three were fantastic to boot. Taker's garb is badass.

    Punk-Rey was very good. It wasn't epic, and it didn't need to be. It was engaging, and the ending sequence was sweet.

    There was some pretty shitty camera work tonight. Some pretty bad missed spots.


Part of it could have been that the top of the stadium was open allowing some of the sound to escape which could have made the crowd sound less hot for the matches (but perhaps it's just me). I don't know...I just don't think the crowd was in it as much compared to other PPV's.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.97
Some other highs and lows from last night's WM 26....

1)Shawn Michaels' near pin on Undertaker despite being in The Hell's Gate was cool because I have not seen that

2)Cody Rhodes wearing tights that looked like granny panties was god-awful.......one of my friends last night did call Cody Rhodes coming out to his old music just before it hit

3)After Natalya slapped Vince McMahon, Matt Striker made a funny comment about Natalya perhaps being 'future endeavored'

4)Ouch! Batista's DDT on Cena looked like it actually did a number on Cena for a couple minutes in the match and had no choice but to sell

5)Vickie Guerrero was a total low; she did a hideous frog splash which Striker or Cole called the "Bullfrog Splash" and it took longer than it needed when she got the pin and the win and not to mention her doing a taunt similar to that of Latino Heat (at least we didn't get to see her underwear like what happened on Smackdown)

6)Santino's promotion of Slim Jim was kinda funny when the people kept changing every time he took a bite to where the person turned into Melina at the end
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41
    Originally posted by The Game
    5)Vickie Guerrero was a total low; she did a hideous frog splash which Striker or Cole called the "Bullfrog Splash" and it took longer than it needed when she got the pin and the win and not to mention her doing a taunt similar to that of Latino Heat (at least we didn't get to see her underwear like what happened on Smackdown)


LOL Vickie is fat how dare she pay tribute to her dead husband
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
For the 2nd year in a row, Shawn-Taker saved the show from being a disappointment. Last year's match was better, but there was more drama in this one so it evens out. As Drew and I said after it was over, "Thanks Shawn, see you at SummerSlam".

I agree that the midcard should be shorter matches so the main events can have plenty of time. However, Punk/Rey would have reached 4 stars if it was given maybe 5-6 more minutes. And why even bother with the tag title match? I am glad they were defended, but 3 minutes?? JoMo missed the MITB for that??

On paper, this looked like it could've been one of the top 3-4 Manias ever. In the end, it was no better than last year when Shawn-taker also saved the day.




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#29 Posted on
I thought the opening tag match did exactly what it needed to. Go read the predictions thread again, how many were questioning R-Truth even being there and how "thrown together" the challengers team was? A throw together team got exactly what it deserved from a team shown to be currently dominant.

Was it me, or did Serena's covering of Punk to stop Rey's 619 get the loudest heat of the night? Was a great sequence but like most of you I guess I didn't expect that to be the actual 1-2-3.

Yes, Rhodes outfit made him a look a twat, basically.

The diva match was like watching a slow motion car crash but I thought it was a very nice touch for her to point to the sky when she climbed the turnbuckle. At least the resulting jump down then fall over onto her victim fit in with the rest of the match :p For once the ref made a good spot that the shoulders were way off the mat and made Vickie try again.

As others have said, Cena's shit-eating grin when surrounded by the Cena-Haters group was hilarious. It looked like even they were almost all won over by it.

Maybe I'm just old and jaded but the only out loud "holy shit" of the night for me was the huge final Tombstone on Michaels, that was so unexpected in how angry he looked and for once executed he was trying to kill somebody it really stood out. Presume tonights Raw will be the goodbye and flairwell?

(edited by Fuzzbug on 29.3.10 1624)
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.88
Also, no real mention of Taker shaking Shawn's hand and hugging him afterwards surprises me. Even when flair retired, Taker waited until the Cameras stopped rolling to pay respect to Naitch. For him to do it live was HUGE in WWE canon.

The Crowd only really seemed dead for parts of Edge/Jericho to me, but were into it by the end. I don't get why people are crapping on this crowd. I've seen a couple of fan cam reactions to this show on youtube, and the heat is off the charts.

Also after watching the murdertombstone again, I think that moment might contain my favorite assortment of sounds and visuals ever captured in a single wrestling moment. Taker's face and movement + the force of the move sounding like a gun shot (which is SCARY when the move is a freaking PILEDRIVER) + the sound of 70,000 people collectively realizing how screwed Shawn is makes for an amazing 5 second clip.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
Something I forgot to mention, but it bears notice. When the Taker/Shawn match ended, Taker pulled Shawn up, and they hugged. Taker was still selling the match toll -- hobbling and sagging -- while Shawn simply stood. He looked fresh as a daisy. Taker rolled out, and Shawn acknowledged the fans. He dropped the sell of the match. AS HE SHOULD HAVE.

The performance was over, and even if he was only selling the retirement we all suspect may last a few months, it added to the moment. It was a distinction between the character of the match and the performer taking a bow. Even if that's an unpopular break from wrestling tradition, I appreciate it for the theatricality. I liked it.

Cena's moment with the haters works the same way, and I think they took it the same way. They hate the character, but they seemed to appreciate the worker. Or maybe they were just manic to get more camera time. I prefer to think the former.

These are the types of considerations we seem to only get from a WrestleMania, and those are the "WrestleMania moments" I appreciate.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.62
I actually got to watch this at a friends house, luckily.

When you put a 60 dollar price tag on a PPV, you are instantly holding it to a very high standard. That being said, while Wrestlemania 26 was a fun card with some good moments, it failed to live up to it self imposed lofty expectations.

For starters, a lot of people on the board made some very good points, so I wont quote them all, but I am in the camp that this year, the show lacked something.. I'll steal a word from good ol JR and call it "sizzle". Things seemed rushed, the usual emotion associated with big Wrestlemania's seemed muted somewhat. Maybe the size of the crowd hurt the camera's ability to capture it, but the audience seemed a touch flat at times. You cant fault them though. The event seemed a touch flat at times as well.

I am probably putting myself i the minority here, but I think this PPV is an example of a show being good in theory, yet somewhat poor in execution.

The tag title match did nothing for me, and was a poor choice of opener. It did set the tone of mediocre to fair matches that would populate the card.

The triple threat match with Legacy was devoid of any real drama or significance. The crowds reaction to Randy saved this match from going down as one of the most boring matches in Wrestlemania history. Hopefully Rhodes and DiBiase can do great things this year and be at next year's WM in a more prominent (and less boring) role. I got what I expected out of this one.

Money in the bank was entertaining, with some innovative spots, but it lacked any real story or drama. I was a little disappointed that the two men in this match who helped make ladder matches a staple in Christian and Matt Hardy barely had any significant interplay regarding their history, but you have 10 men in this thing and that doesn't leave a lot of time for story telling. I liked it,and it was about as good as a ten man laddr match can be I suppose.

HHH vs Shamus was maybe my second favorite match on the card. I really liked this for some reason. I thought the pace was good, the possum pedigree was an innovative finish, and both guys ended the match looking great, which is a rarity for a HHH match.

Rey vs CM Punk just did nothing for me. This match could have been on Smackdown, and maybe should have. They would have gotten more time and better mileage out of it.

Bret vs. Vince was strange. There was that weird reveal by Bret about a double cross. Then you had a senior citizen being beaten by 12 people, while Bret stood in the ring. Then he gets badly beaten with a crow bar, then severely beaten with a chair. You had the commentators saying that they would have passed out a long time ago from the vicious beating. I felt like the crown ind of went dead for this one as well. They booked them selves into a corner and answered the question, "how do you book a match between an over 60 year old un-athletic non-wrestler, and a 50+ year old former wrestler who is recovering from a stroke and cant take any bumps or else he could die?" This did fit Bret's dark sense of humor, but I couldn't help but feel sympathy for the devil here.

Diva match was ok, the commentators ruined the Eddie tribute by Vickie, calling it a Hog Splash, but it was about as good as you could expect.

Jericho vs Edge disappointed me, but I got the story they were telling of Jericho avoiding the spear all match, with Edge maybe a little to focused on delivering it, ultimately causing his demise.

I liked Cena vs Batista even though they botched some moves and John looked like he legitimately got hurt on the Batista DDT. I LOVED Cena celebrating with the Cena Haters in the front row with a HUGE smile on his face, then going to the little Cena fan in the front row and giving him his wrist band. Made me like him more.

I may be in the minority here, but I felt Undertaker vas HBK was good but not great. I watched last years match before the card yesterday to get hyped up, and I feel last years was better. Re-watching last years, I felt 2 thisng were wrong with it. One was that they layed around a little too much, but I couldnt put my finger on the other thing. This years mach highlighted it for me. Aside from the opening minute of the match, it felt like they cut out about ten minutes if the match and we were joining it in progress. It didnt take long for the match to go into finisher after finisher, which I feel hurt the significance of the ending. First of all Shawn got tombstoned ON THE FLOOR. Last time we saw that, it was sold as if it ended Jake Roberts (the recipient) career. This time, it was treated as an almost transitional move and it occurred mid match! Shawn came back after this and almost won. That should have been the move before the Shawn slap, it would have made more sense. I got what they were trying to do, and I know they were both limited at this point, but I just dont see it as the epic match everyone seems to be saying it was. Good not great. A little flat in execution. Just like the entire card.

Sorry for the long rant!

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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
    Originally posted by i before e
    This did fit Bret's dark sense of humor, but I couldn't help but feel sympathy for the devil here.

Yeah, I was actually feeling bad for poor ol' Vinny Mac.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.11
    Originally posted by Broncolanche
      Originally posted by i before e
      This did fit Bret's dark sense of humor, but I couldn't help but feel sympathy for the devil here.

    Yeah, I was actually feeling bad for poor ol' Vinny Mac.


It doesn't speak well for me, but I found the beating to be quite cathartic. Even Mrs. Goon, who hates wrestling with a passion, watched simply because as a Calgarian, she knew the backstory quite well.

I do wish the Hart double-cross reveal had been done more dramatically, though - ie. Vince getting thrown out of the ring to what he thinks is a group of friendly lumberjacks, only to have them turn on him then. It was quite funny that some of them operated as lumberjacks in tuxedos and evening gowns.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.62
    Originally posted by The Goon
      Originally posted by Broncolanche
        Originally posted by i before e
        This did fit Bret's dark sense of humor, but I couldn't help but feel sympathy for the devil here.

      Yeah, I was actually feeling bad for poor ol' Vinny Mac.


    It doesn't speak well for me, but I found the beating to be quite cathartic. Even Mrs. Goon, who hates wrestling with a passion, watched simply because as a Calgarian, she knew the backstory quite well.

    I do wish the Hart double-cross reveal had been done more dramatically, though - ie. Vince getting thrown out of the ring to what he thinks is a group of friendly lumberjacks, only to have them turn on him then. It was quite funny that some of them operated as lumberjacks in tuxedos and evening gowns.


That would have actually been pretty cool.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
The scene you waited 13 years to see:



I got this from WWE's Hitman five day WM diary. It was a really cool read: http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/diary/day5/
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.45
WWE may want to consider going back to MSG sooner then later. That crowd is electric, you can charge an arm and a leg for seats that people will pay. I went online Saturday to see if I get 4 tickets, I found them for $3,200.00 six rows from ringside. This is unheard of. I remember at WM XX, I was online at 9:00 am on the second round of sales trying to get tickets and found one for $11000.00 in roughly the same spot. So, in six years, the price of of said ticket dropped $300. Considering how prices have skyrockted for almost everything during that time, I don't know if Vince won't be better off charging $200 more a ticket to get a smaller more vocal crowd instead these open air arenas which according the live reports where hot, but rarely showed up on film. Personally, I am not a big fan of southern or west coast crowds and the idea of making the Staples Arena, the permanent spot for SummerSlam is stupid. Mania hasn't been on the East Coast since WM XX. Those are the best live crowds for wrestling, time to go back to the roots.

I also would like to applaud Punk for the GI Joe shorts. Its a paradox to have that and a Cobra tatoo as well. My friend was saying he should do GI Joe type PSAs with SES. Those things would write themselves. I also agree Bret shouldn't have outed his family as faces til the midway point.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.97
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Something I forgot to mention, but it bears notice. When the Taker/Shawn match ended, Taker pulled Shawn up, and they hugged. Taker was still selling the match toll -- hobbling and sagging -- while Shawn simply stood. He looked fresh as a daisy. Taker rolled out, and Shawn acknowledged the fans. He dropped the sell of the match. AS HE SHOULD HAVE.

    The performance was over, and even if he was only selling the retirement we all suspect may last a few months, it added to the moment. It was a distinction between the character of the match and the performer taking a bow. Even if that's an unpopular break from wrestling tradition, I appreciate it for the theatricality. I liked it.

    Cena's moment with the haters works the same way, and I think they took it the same way. They hate the character, but they seemed to appreciate the worker. Or maybe they were just manic to get more camera time. I prefer to think the former.

    These are the types of considerations we seem to only get from a WrestleMania, and those are the "WrestleMania moments" I appreciate.


I can't believe I forgot to mention the row of 'Cena Haters' and how John Cena just seemingly enjoyed to be with them....that was pretty funny and interesting to watch as he stood right next to them and with them as the fans were elated to be right next to Cena and the fans still giving the thumbs down; that may have been the funniest and most interesting part I seen all night on WM.
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
I would bet good money that Madison Square Garden will host WM 30. I'd guess MSG is locked into the round-number Wrestlemanias for the rest of time.

Actually, speaking of venues, if only Bret's return had been saved for a Wrestlemania in Toronto. The fans would've been going nuts for that entire beatdown. The sheer crowd heat alone would've kept it being dull.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.40
I never thought that Vince was the one at fault for the whole Bret thing anyways, so I got little satisfaction out of the massacre. Even a low blow with him strutting around a little while hitting Bret with a weapon would have helped here.

If Swagger were smart he would have cashed in right after the giant spear into the barricade. I have a feeling he will be the first one to lose his challenge causing an internet riot.

I love the way HBK went out the same way he came into the match with the UT throat slash. I always wished Flair went out with one defiant WOOH before eating the Super Kick.

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