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Since: 17.11.03
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.88
The ric Flair dvd is the highest selling wrestling dvd ever. Chris Benoit is getting respect from wrestling which the fans are actually cheering. Eddie Geurrero is getting a title shot. The storylines are starting not to suck anymore. Its taken nearly three years but more and more WWE is starting to get good again...I almost feel like I've betrayed TNA by saying that!



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Trust me, TNA is second-rate so you're not betraying anyone...



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Since: 4.1.02
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.32
I know someone will piss on this and say something like
"blahblahblah never change....HHH..blahblahblah..push..blahblahblah..cancer..'

but yeah, I agree with you.
There is a good chance that WMXX is going to be a freakin amazing wrestling show with many of the better workers on top of the card. In general, despite certain crap still being thrown at us, we are treaded to long feuds, slow burn stories and interesting turns and twists along the way. And they are involve the more talented wrestlers too.
I wouldn't go as far as saying things are bright but the light is less dim now.





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Since: 17.11.03
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.88
    Originally posted by dMp
    I know someone will piss on this and say something like
    "blahblahblah never change....HHH..blahblahblah..push..blahblahblah..cancer..'

    but yeah, I agree with you.
    There is a good chance that WMXX is going to be a freakin amazing wrestling show with many of the better workers on top of the card. In general, despite certain crap still being thrown at us, we are treaded to long feuds, slow burn stories and interesting turns and twists along the way. And they are involve the more talented wrestlers too.
    I wouldn't go as far as saying things are bright but the light is less dim now.



Yea less dim is alot more accurate!



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Since: 24.11.03

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.58
Its funny, how we have all berated Vince and Co. for so long for not listening to the fans, and finally it seems to be getting through, yet I can't help but worry about a few things.

The first is, that Smackdown is just the dregs of television lately. Even with Heyman supposedly starting to regain some backstage clout, so many of the storylines have been forgetable, that its laughable. Did anybody think Bob Holly had ANY chance against Brock? Or care that Chavo Sr. got involved in that feud? I don't think so.

Over on Raw Benoit made his debut to a decent pop, but the crowd then died. The life got sucked out of that building so fast it made my head spin. Give him a title shot, but remember, a champ who can't talk isn't going to be around for long.

It may be Vince's way of proving to people that he is justified in some of his decisions. I agree that Benoit is a great technical wrestler, but he bores the pants of me otherwise, and although Guerrero has the all around package, you can only get so far this day and age playing a stereotype.

We'll see how it all plays out, and I'm sure people will bitch and moan if HHH retains his belt. Yet, I have a feeling that if Benoit ever was front and center, his greatest weakness would get exposed, and he would lose a lot of credibility with the marks that he'd never be able to get back.



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Since: 19.11.03
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.88
You are, and many of the smarks are ooking at it from a different perspective.

You have to look at it from the casual fans point of view.

That's where the money is, that's where the difference is between 2,500 and 12,000 ( credit to Meltzer ) for a show.

Personally, I dunno what the casual fans want, but I assume it's not this going on now, sadly. But if I were to attend a show, I might be able to ascetain what the fans wanted, and I am surprised that the WWE hasn't since, well, they;re at the shows. Unless those idiots dont watch their own shows.

RVD, Booker T, and many others who are over of their own doing, in prominent roles. Better storylines, morehistory so the casual fans become more educated. How can you sell a stroy about Chavo Sr. when nobody knows shit about the Guerrero family? So the WWE bites itself on the ass by trying to be cutesy and not informing people of shit that has happened OUTSIDE the product. It's smart on one hand, but it's fucking retaaaaaded on the other.



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Since: 20.8.03
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.50
Benoit and Guerrero are only being pushed so eventually Triple H can squash them and take all of their heat. Plus, he gets all of the royalties for the Flair DVD and rumor is that there's a glitch in the disc where after six months all three DVDs automatically mutate into the "Triple H - The Game" DVD. Things never change with HHH on top. No matter who they push, he's a cancer that will kill off the careers of the entire roster. Sorry, but that's the truth.


And yes, the shows are ruling as of late. But quite honestly, between January and March, they ALWAYS do. The real test is if they will be able to continue this sudden momentum past Mania. With the looks of things and the long-term investments in Eddie, Benoit, Cena, etc, the glass is indeed half-full.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.21
I nearly puke everytime I hear somebody complain about somebody "losing thier heat" because they lost a match. What is Foleys career record in BIG MATCHES? not great. Rock is barely above .500 Its a rediculous thing to say. Can you honestly tell me that you WONT cheer or root for Benoit, becuase he lost a title match to HHH? If thats the case, you peeps shouldnt be cheering him at all, seeing as how he has jobbed throughout his career.

And, say Benoit beats HHH and has a year long title reign, and loses it at WMXXI, will you be complaining about how he "HELD EVERYBODY DOWN" during his title reign? Or, about how others were fed to him to beat?

If you dont like HHH in the ring, thats one thing, if you dont like the politics, thats another, but to say he is the worse thing for business and is a cancer is just retarded, because, if you sat and watched matches, and rooted for whomever is going up for the title, and you HATE HHH when he wins, then you are getting exactly what they are trying to get out of you, a REACTION.
If the internet didnt exist, all the HHHaters would be saying he is the biggest heel champ of all time, becaus he cheats to win, and never seems to be able to pull out a clean win. Yet, since you all know he is Vince's son in law, all you can seem to do is complain. Remember, this is the man that Foley put over at the end of his career. This is the man that carried the promotion when Austin was out. And, when he is on the top of his game, which admittedly lately he hasnt been, but when he is, he is one of the most entertaining heels we have seen in the past decade.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.75
I have to agree that they are surprisingly doing the right thing. And don't forget one thing that people haven't really been mentioning. No McMahons. There were rumors a few months ago about Vince wrestling this person and Stephanie coming back and replacing Heyman and so far it hasn't happened. We've had no Stephanie, no Shane, no Linda and very little Vince. The only McMahon on television is Triple H and to be honest with you he's been entertaining for the past month. Some of the not so great wrestlers like Big Show and Kane are being booked properly. Eddie and Benoit are being pushed. I'm sure Edge is going to get a push when he returns. Things are looking good so far in 2004.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.88
Stagger, regarding HHH, a couple of points:

- "He's the most entertaining heel we've seen..." well of course he is. He's the only person allowed to consistently remain at the top of the card and keep a consistent character for the last couple of years. Name one other person who has been able to basically hang out in the top card for the last 4 years (minus his injury time) and thus keep his character constantly in play.

- Exactly what reaction is HHH getting? He gets pops in the arena, sure. But Sid used to get big pops too at the last days of WCW. Since HHH began to be pushed as a main event heel and dominant champion every measure of business has declined. One reaction to HHH has been turning and walking away from WWE product, one that has been done by a couple million people. And while I know it's not by any means all his fault, when you get to the top of the card and stay there indefinitely, it's like the President, you get credit and blame for things you didn't do.

- There are two kinds of hatred of wrestlers when they win. There's the "DAMN! That bastard won again. I hate him so much." That kind often leads to paying to see him lose in the future. However with HHH it's more of a "Oh crap, that means another month of him being unavoidable. Well, unless I change the channel."

- Losing of heat. Once a character is established at the top of the card I agree it's foolish to get into that argument. The problem is with HHH is he seems to constantly be going over people who are on the tipping point of main event credibility, and then never giving them a chance to get their heat back. Foley and Rock always got a crack to get their heat back. Think about the people HHH vanquishes. Jericho, Booker, RVD, Kane, Steiner...at some point the feud basically ends with HHH establishing himself as the better man and moving on. The only person who ever gets to get his back on HHH is Michaels, and that's likely why the crowds always react decently to those two going at it.

-Regarding Benoit, I think the reason people will be despondent if he loses is not because he LOST. It will be because if he follows the pattern everyone else follows who loses to HHH he'll end up teaming with Lance Storm in some sort of wacky feud against La Resistance that averages 3.4 minutes per match on Raw. People who lose to HHH tend to be shunted back to the midcard very quickly and efficiently, and often seem the worse for the experience.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
2004 looks to be a big, big transition year for the WWE... wrestlers like Randy Orton, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, John Cena, and Edge (among others) are likely going to be given big-time main event pushes throughout the year. Some of the low- to middle-tier young guys like Rene Dupree, Charlie Haas, Shelton Benjamin, Mark Jindrak, and Garrison Cade will likely be put in more prominent positions than they are right now, and possibly could even be elevated to a U.S./IC title level(ish). Meanwhile: Michaels and Flair get a year older, Austin's shtick isn't going to get any fresher, Goldberg's probably going to be gone, Triple H will be filming movies, etc. etc. They need to show this year that they can establish new stars a la 1997-98 with the Rock, Foley, Austin, HHH, etc. Wrestlemania 20 is going to garner a shitload of attention for the company, and they need to take advantage of that. Out with the old and in with the new, so to speak. It's happened before, so I'm looking forward to see if Vince and Co. can do it again... politics be damned.
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Since: 19.11.03
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.88
One thing to remember, and I am sorry but I am ripping off Meltzer again, but the smark should know this...

after these guys, the RVD's, Booker T, Jericho, Christian, Edge, all the young OVW guys... etc. etc.... there is NO ONE LEFT.

The indies are full of MOSTLY jrs. which isn't WWE style, so, THEY HAVE TO DO THIS NOW... or never and then die.

And as much as I dislike WWE's front office and ownership, I wouldn't want the fed to close.



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#13 Posted on
    Originally posted by spf2119
    Since HHH began to be pushed as a main event heel and dominant champion every measure of business has declined.


when business truly began to decline, hhh wasn't even on tv. 2000 was the wwf's most successful year ever with hhh as a main event heel. it wasn't until after wrestlemania x7 that things really started slipping, and he was only around for two months of it before his injury. he started being the dominant champion of raw in fall 2002, and there have been no big drops in business since then.
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1)- To be fair, Ahmed Johnson was CRAZY over when he debuted. Much more over than Lashley ever got. Repeated injuries and an ill-advised heel turn killed that in short order, but for a while, he seemed like a lock for future world champion. 2)
- KJames199, Lashley quits WWE (2008)
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