Originally posted by ShadowhendrixBoston Legal's Cast from Season 1 and 2 being slowly cycled out and replaced until the series finale with the exception of Alan Shore, Denny Crane, and Shirley Schmidt. Nearly every replacement character with the exception of Jerry was a huge let down (and even Jerry got tiresome after awhile.)
I could have stomached it better if any of the departing cast EVER got a remotely decent send off. I was especially pissed at how they handled the departure of Brad Chase, the diametric opposite of Alan Shore, who just apparently randomly leaves the firm to be a DA after making full partner.
I liked the addition of Larroquette, though he was woefully underused at times.
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Originally posted by NickBockwinkelFan 4) On MASH: Trapper John replaced by BJ Honeycutt
5) On MASH: Frank Burns replaced by Charles Emerson Winchester III
6) On MASH: Henry Blake replaced by Sherman T. Potter
Yeah, you need to hush.
MASH is an unwatchable show until Blake and Trapper leave. I could maybe, MAYBE, concede Burns for Charles, simply because Charles wasn't as automatically hateable as Frank, seeing as how Charles was a competent surgeon and an OK guy once he lowered his arrogant prickshields. But the suggestion that Trapper was a better character than BJ, or Blake was a better character than Potter? Seriously?
Then again, the fact that you like Hogan's Heroes explains a lot.
To me, it's more complicated than "one is automatically better than the other". MASH essentially is two different shows, split sloppily around those deaths/replacements over the course of a season or two. The original MASH is much more about straight-up comedy, with a bit of pathos thrown in, while Potter/BJ-era MASH has much more character development and serious elements. Is it a "better" show that way? Maybe...unless you're just watching it for a laugh, in which case, you might prefer the early days. I watched most of MASH originally as a kid, and I -hated- BJ and Potter and especially Charles for years. I could appreciate them better as an adult...mostly. BJ and Potter both grew on me, but Charles...Charles was just not funny.
Of course, the very idea of talking about TV shows and acting as if there's anything resembling an objective barometer of quality is absurd to begin with.
As for bad cast-switching? Jill Wagner leaving Wipeout. Seriously, I'm still not over it.
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Originally posted by GodEatGodTo me, it's more complicated than "one is automatically better than the other". MASH essentially is two different shows, split sloppily around those deaths/replacements over the course of a season or two. The original MASH is much more about straight-up comedy, with a bit of pathos thrown in, while Potter/BJ-era MASH has much more character development and serious elements. Is it a "better" show that way? Maybe...unless you're just watching it for a laugh, in which case, you might prefer the early days. I watched most of MASH originally as a kid, and I -hated- BJ and Potter and especially Charles for years. I could appreciate them better as an adult...mostly. BJ and Potter both grew on me, but Charles...Charles was just not funny.
At a certain point in the show's run, Alan Alda decided that he should use his clout with CBS to turn the show into 'Alan Alda's Soapbox' for his political leanings. It didn't really hurt the show, but it certainly made it less comedic at times. I believe this is why some episodes lost the laugh track because Alda didn't want the audience to laugh at something he thought was serious.
Originally posted by GodEatGodOf course, the very idea of talking about TV shows and acting as if there's anything resembling an objective barometer of quality is absurd to begin with.
At a certain point in the show's run, Alan Alda decided that he should use his clout with CBS to turn the show into 'Alan Alda's Soapbox' for his political leanings. It didn't really hurt the show, but it certainly made it less comedic at times.
I hate the episode "Hawkeye" where he is trying not to fall into a coma from a head wound and talks at a Korean family, and the camera, for 22 mins and is the only main cast member to appear in the show.
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Originally posted by geemoney I liked the addition of Larroquette, though he was woefully underused at times.
I found his delivery to be funny, but his whole character seemed shoehorned into the show, and I never bought him as Shirley's man. If anything, Ivan Tiggs (Tom Seleck) was who I was rooting for.
I felt after season three Boston Legal became the Alan/Denny/Shirley show, and then season 4 tried to throw Carl Sack in the mix out of nowhere. He was also unfortunately tied to the introduction of Whitney, who might have been the most useless character ever on that show. (Clarence also got really annoying once Constance Zimmer's character left the show.)
Replacing Lilah on the show Angel with Eve. The woman playing Eve was way too cuddly and cute to act as a connection between a do-gooder vampire and the most ferocious and oldest demons in Hell. Plus I loved seeing a manipulative attractive calm older woman fight with her mind against Angel Investigations.I think I just figured out where my attraction to older women comes from.
Replacing or forcing to assimilate Poochie onto Itchy and Scratchy.
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Replacing Fred Sanford with the character Grady on Sanford and Son. Grady was never lead character material, and without crafty Fred to play off of he seemed more like a minstrel character. Ironically SANFORD couldn't carry the show without Lamont as a foil to his scheming.
Originally posted by OliverI thought Coy and Vance were a great replacement for Luke and Bo, personally.
This may be the most wrong statement in human history...or something.
I would have to concur with Moss.
It's a matter of opinion, of course...but I quite liked what Byron Cherry and Christopher Mayer brought to the show. They had really big shoes to fill and I think they did a fine good job.
I said it in the other thread, but replacing Tiffany Amber Theissen with Leanna Creel(Tori). But it got better when Kelly came back...then left again...I didn't understand the end of Saved by the Bell.
I liked Jason Gideon and Elle Greenway on Criminal Minds more than David Rossi and Emily Printiss. I thought both characters were better than their current counterparts.
Jon Lovitz replacing Phil Hartman on News Radio. I'm a Lovitz fan, he just didn't fit in with this show. he had his moments, there was just no way of replacing the late Phil Hartman.
Josh Meyers replacing Topher Grace on That 70's Show. Randy sucked.
5) On MASH: Frank Burns replaced by Charles Emerson Winchester III
6) On MASH: Henry Blake replaced by Sherman T. Potter
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Speaking of MASH, I don't know if this counts or not because both characters were already on the show. What about replacing Radar with Klinger? No way does he fill in Radar's shoes.
5) On MASH: Frank Burns replaced by Charles Emerson Winchester III
6) On MASH: Henry Blake replaced by Sherman T. Potter
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Speaking of MASH, I don't know if this counts or not because both characters were already on the show. What about replacing Radar with Klinger? No way does he fill in Radar's shoes.
Thats more of a promotion type of thing. Klinger was already an established character. That is like Worf replacing Tasha Yar on TNG. That was also a great move since Trek fans were accustom to bridge characters living while red shirts died and no one got a promotion. In one episode they pretty much turned the franchise on its head then kept it steady til DS9 came around and slaughtered their entire cast at the end.
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Originally posted by LennyAaronRoxxI liked Jason Gideon and Elle Greenway on Criminal Minds more than David Rossi and Emily Printiss. I thought both characters were better than their current counterparts.
I was thinking the same thing about Mandy Patinkin/Joe Mantegna, but IMO, it's not even close. I can't say that I hate Joe Mantegna, because that's like saying that I hate vanilla ice cream.
Michael Bendetti replacing Johnny Depp on 21 Jump Street and Ray Combs replacing Richard Dawson on Family Feud were pretty bad also.
Originally posted by The Guinness.Jon Lovitz replacing Phil Hartman on News Radio. I'm a Lovitz fan, he just didn't fit in with this show. he had his moments, there was just no way of replacing the late Phil Hartman.
In Lovitz's defense, he'd fully admit this himself, not to mention the fact that everyone was caught off guard by Hartman's death and had to scramble just to keep the show going without him.
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I like Joshua Molina. Liked him an awful lot on SportsNight, the previous Aaron Sorkin show. I sent him a fan email and got a response. He didn't have to do that. But I did not like his Will Baily replacing Robe Lowe/Sam Seaborn when Sam left to run for office in California. Sam should have been replaced by CJ Cregg as Toby's able assistant messagesmith for the administration.
Also, I cannot stand the choice to make press secretary CJ Cregg the chief of staff when Toby FUCKING Ziegler and Josh FUCKING Lyman were right there. Yes, it gave Josh a reason to hit the campaign trail and leave the White House, but it began the marginalization of Toby, who I consider the true romantic of the show in the Warren Ellis sense. He was bitter and gruff because he was fighting for a better world, and he rightly took the president and previous chief of staff Leo to task for how they handled the president's MS diagnosis. Toby also pushed the president on the matter of his father's ghost, giving Bartlet the spark to seek re-election.
He deserved better. So did we.
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The Apocalypse had seemed like the perfect way to end this series (since it had been widely rumored before March that it was a five-seasons-and-out deal for the creator and 2 main actors).
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