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Let's spin this off the RNC thread...

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Someone tell me that '9-11 Tribute' was actually a tribute and not blatent fear mongering.


Okay, first, if you missed it, you can now watch it through the magic of the Internet. (youtube.com)

And if you're too lazy to click (or want to avoid the comments of "truthers" - assuming they don't end up HERE, too), I'll embed it below.



Now: what do you think?

(Please answer in a way that won't make me sorry I asked and/or delete your response.)

I'll offer this and then probably say more later (or maybe not): I'm not going to say it made me COMFORTABLE, but I don't think that was the point. I think there was a definite intent to remind us that this HAPPENED...but also, it hasn't happened AGAIN since.

Also, from this video there was no indication that we had a president back then. ;-)

EDIT: Oh, also, that music is a total ripoff of Jakatta's "Visions" album.

(edited by CRZ on 5.9.08 0057)


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.18
It's safe to say that the families and friends of the victims will never forget that day, but to keep bringing it up over and over again (and this time, at a political convention) seems pretty insensitive to me. My opinion is, it's poor taste at best and exploitative at worst.

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Okay after re-watching it to see if I'm just being a spineless liberal I have to say I'm sticking with my original assessment.

- First, leading off a tribute to the victims of 9-11 probably shouldn't start with militant Arabs, and certainly not a black and white photo of blindfolded hostages surrounded by bearded enemies.

- The first image of 9-11 was of a burning tower, the first words uttered over the image, "...And kill us they did"

- '...buildings burning, bodies falling'

- To me the 'Tribute' doesn't really start until a little over two minutes in, when the music changes and the narrators voice softens.

I can't see the families of the victims or the survivors of that day being particularly honored by this video. Even the reaction in the crowd after the video, a crowd that has really enjoyed the "red meat" portions of the convention thus far, seemed a little off and this was the most telling thing to me. A well done tribute probably would have brought out a lot more emotion, this video brought out what sounded like an awkward silence and maybe half the stadium clapping.

Not forgetting 9-11 is one thing, using it as a tool and propaganda to bring out fear and a rally cry for a party is wrong. Whoever made this video and okayed it to air should be ashamed of themselves. It's bad enough we were terrorized on that day, it's even worse that some in power keep using that day to terrorize us.



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There was absolutely no need to show the second plane hitting.



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I didn't need a reminder that it happened. It just smacked of fear-mongering to me. Nobody who's watching convention coverage needed any reminding either.

I'm not surprised though.



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Didn't see it on the coverage of the RNC last night and viewing it here through the "lens" of chosing if I would consider it a "tribute" or "fear mogering" I would have to say a mixture of both, but then I'm pretty middle of the road and tend to see the grey in a lot of things once my initial shock of things passes.

It's my opinion that this was shown to remind people of why we've committed the troops and funds to the Middle East we have since that day and to remind people that weren't they glad that Bush (a Republican) was in office that day and not Gore (a Democrat).

Personally, I'm not sure that the Dem's plan for dealing with terrorism or the Middle East will work better or worse than the Republican's plan, so all it ultimately does for me is make me sad and fearful for the world I'm leaving for my children to live in.

Ultimately, I'll make my voting decision on whichever ticket mirrors how I feel about the issues, and not get into who I like better (which might have been hard if the Dem's had put up Hillary).

As for the morbid curiosity of the vid, I haven't seen that angle of the plane crashing into the 2nd tower before. Chilling.



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The first two minutes of this didn't strike me as a tribute in any way. I agree with BigDaddyLoco that the footage of Muslims with guns is a bad way to start this off and is nothing more than fear mongering. It then goes to a replay of 9/11. Again not a tribute. I don't believe remembering something is the same as paying tribute to it. Only at the end does it feel in any way like it is honoring those who died.

In general I don't care for things like this because I tend to feel there is some alternative motive, even more so at a political convention. This is not a partisan thing, had the Dems done this it would have been just as tasteless. Big "tributes" like this always leave me uncomfortable and feeling like it is no more than propaganda. Maybe I am overly sensitive to this kind of stuff (and that is a distinct possibility) but it seems more insulting than helpful.





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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
    Originally posted by DrewDewce
    It's my opinion that this was shown to remind people of why we've committed the troops and funds to the Middle East we have since that day and to remind people that weren't they glad that Bush (a Republican) was in office that day and not Gore (a Democrat).


The trouble with this logic is that it can be easily turned around into 'This happened under a Republican's watch, and if Gore had been president, it wouldn't have happened.' And, again, the war in Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terrorism, no matter how much the Republicans would like to make you think it does.



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I think they don't show ENOUGH footage of the attacks, or other terrorist attacks. The citizens of this great nation are growing forgetful of how much we are hated worldwide.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.92
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I think they don't show ENOUGH footage of the attacks, or other terrorist attacks. The citizens of this great nation are growing forgetful of how much we are hated worldwide.





One positive reason we are growing forgetful is that we haven't had another 9/11. And you can show things too much. People become numb or blase when hit over the head often enough.

And yes people hate us but in part it is due to our actions over the last 6 years. One of the reasons Russia did what it did in Georgia is we have lost much of our moral authority. IMHO, the world understood what we did in Afghanistan and supported it but many of our actions since then (backed by both parties) have fostered this mistrust and suspicion.



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Well, it reminded me that we haven't gotten Bin Laden, and that our original target was Afghanistan.

It felt really weird watching it. Like it was created by a committee and it ended up with no real message.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Let's spin this off the RNC thread...

      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Someone tell me that '9-11 Tribute' was actually a tribute and not blatent fear mongering.


    Now: what do you think?



National political conventions are the single most partisan institution we have in this country. I can't believe it wasn't front page news that the Republican party decided that yesterday was the day it became all right to use 9-11 imagery for partisan political effect. Pathetic.

And yes, as long as they're going there, they should have shown the clip of Palestinians dancing in the streets and passing out candy when they heard the news.



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    Originally posted by DrDirt
    One of the reasons Russia did what it did in Georgia is we have lost much of our moral authority. IMHO, the world understood what we did in Afghanistan and supported it but many of our actions since then (backed by both parties) have fostered this mistrust and suspicion.


Russia wasn't thinking about what the US was doing/had done/will do when the Georgia incident happened. In fact, there were already Russian troops in that breakaway area. Georgia attacked hours after agreeing to a peace deal with the Ossetians....it is absolutely absurd to even draw the slightest parallel to US actions here.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.77
These are two different videos really.
The first part is aimed at striking fear and the 2nd part is a tribute, but due to the first part it still comes across as creepy.

I mean, I fully get it. "Look at these bastards and what they did".
But if you want to go that route please follow it up by explaining how you stopped them and/or how you plan on stopping them ever since.
No matter if you'd agree with the Republican policies or not, they are the ones who could list all of the stuff they did do and that did work, due to being in the White house. They are the ones who can make it into a positive story (while the Democrats technically can only point at stuff and say "didnt work!" but they cannot prove they would have done better)

Then end it with a shot of the *future* WTC building and saying that the Republican party will ensure the safety of the USA and make it bigger and stronger than ever.

Now -that- would make me think that they are the people to put in power. Not this video.

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    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      One of the reasons Russia did what it did in Georgia is we have lost much of our moral authority. IMHO, the world understood what we did in Afghanistan and supported it but many of our actions since then (backed by both parties) have fostered this mistrust and suspicion.


    Russia wasn't thinking about what the US was doing/had done/will do when the Georgia incident happened. In fact, there were already Russian troops in that breakaway area. Georgia attacked hours after agreeing to a peace deal with the Ossetians....it is absolutely absurd to even draw the slightest parallel to US actions here.


Russia did the right thing, from a military sense. Over in two days. Which is what we should have done in Afghanistan and Iraq, but there are reasons that America likes to prolong "wars" or "police actions", and they have nothing to do with winning, obviously.

It's also becoming passe to hate America. I think the world looks at us as more of a joke instead of a place to be somebody - there will always be anti-American sentiment, but in the last 5 years or so, it's not like we've done anything to redeem ourselves as a global leader that should be hated, or feared.

Our economy is in the toilet, 80% of our country thinks the politicians suck, the only "fear", despite the mongering, is when the next disaster is going to hit and we are about to turn tail and run from a region that should have been our 20 years ago, because no one has the guts to kill. Iran doesn't have those concerns, nor will Israel when they shove 100 fighter planes down Ahmadinejad's throat. That makes the Arabs the martyr - 4,000 years and it's still the same story; but this time it's their turn.

Are the Democrats kicking themselves for not having a recap video of Katrina, or maybe something like a montage of gas billboards? Until Obama picked that idiot Biden as his mate, I thought there was a good chance of winning. Palin trumps Biden in every way except experience, but one would think after a lifetime in public office Biden would be able to articulate without bullet points. Town Hall VP debates is what I want - the general public would tar and feather Biden the first time he answers a yes or no question with a 20 minute bore fest re: his life


Lise: Well, it reminded me that we haven't gotten Bin Laden, and that our original target was Afghanistan.

It felt really weird watching it. Like it was created by a committee and it ended up with no real message.


We're going into our 2nd election hoping Bin Laden is the October Surprise! We should probably stakeout Moscow


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The Republican platform can be summed up in one Star Wars quote: "Fear will keep them in line."

The idea of showing a video is another way to say "Hey, remember you need us, because those pansy Democrats let this happen again." Even though Bush was in office during that time and the FBI was told by the pilot instructor that these guys don't want to know how to land the planes, I'm training them on. Yet, you need us, because we deny that any of this is our fault. The video also captures everyone's fear about the ongoing war and they will be attacked again.

McCain's campaign has been one where prompting fear is the only route to victory. Most of their ads talk about how Obama is not ready for command and he is a crazy liberal. You should be afraid of him, because he might be a secret Muslim. I have only seen one or two ads talking about issues from McCain and the one energy ad bashed his own party. The Republicans knew early one they weren't going to win on issues even if they faced Hillary, it would be more fear ads that would remind us that Bin Laden was never captured under Bill's watch and its his fault 9/11 happened. I guarantee they would run with that at some point.

Even with Palin in there they can't run on issues, because she kills a lot of them. The Republicans running on pro-life is out the window, because they'll look like hyprocites for saying its ok for our daughter to have a choice but the rest of you have no choice. Palin's link to to the Alaskan Independence Party throws into question here patriotism, so the flag pin argument is out the window as well. Even with this executive experience crap they keep shoving down everyone's throats. I still think a sitting senator with one of the largest populations in Midwest if not the country outweighs a governor with a very small population who has been there a shorter length of time. Yet, they will keep playing that fear card that Obama is not ready and she is. At the end of the day, the Republicans know they can't win on issues, so they will keep throwing more fear ads and videos out there to muddy the waters and it may work.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.93
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by DrDirt
      One of the reasons Russia did what it did in Georgia is we have lost much of our moral authority. IMHO, the world understood what we did in Afghanistan and supported it but many of our actions since then (backed by both parties) have fostered this mistrust and suspicion.


    Russia wasn't thinking about what the US was doing/had done/will do when the Georgia incident happened. In fact, there were already Russian troops in that breakaway area. Georgia attacked hours after agreeing to a peace deal with the Ossetians....it is absolutely absurd to even draw the slightest parallel to US actions here.


Yes they were and not just the "War on Terror". They were also considering our "aggressive" (their word) moves with including former Soviet Bloc States in NATO, the missile defense shield in eastern Europe and our cozy relationship with Georgia. They realize with our minds and resources occupied in Iraq, there wasn't much we were going or could do to stop them.

When the current administration comes out and says this is the 21st Century and you can't go around overthrowing regimes you don't like, even our allies went "Huh?".

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.91
    Originally posted by DrDirt
    When the current administration comes out and says this is the 21st Century and you can't go around overthrowing regimes you don't like, even our allies went "Huh?".


That only applies "in Europe." (hulu.com) (3:38 in, for reference)



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.14
Olbermann chimes in on the video and the branding of 9/11 in general. It's actually an interesting piece, but for the love of God, STOP before the 7 minute mark, because the wheels just all fall off from there.




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I don't know, Olberman's rant has kind of lost some punch with today's MSNBC re-airing of the coverage as it happened. Is this an annual thing?



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