No thread about this? Really? I was so spoiler-paranoid I didn't even come to the W afraid that the banner photo would be the winner or something.
Perhaps the most interesting thing was ESPN deciding to extend the show. I was watching at my brother's, and he was TiVoing it, although not on much of a delay. Around 10:45 we were talking about how it seemed that they were going to have to rush through the remaining eliminations, and fortunately I said that maybe they'd run over, which led him to set the TiVo for SportsCenter as well. In the end, they ran until 11:30. I applaud them showing more of it, but I suppose there were a lot of people who TiVoed or taped it who found their recordings cut off with four people still in the mix and were pissed. Maybe next year they'll just schedule it for three hours. Probably not, but it would be nice. Wonder whether they'll edit it down to two hours for the reruns.
I was really hoping that Ivey would take it--it would be nice to see someone that good actually get the chance to reign as champion. He just never really got going, though.
Phil Hellmuth certainly seemed to have molded Jeff Shulman into his own image--tight. Way, way too tight. Of course, any judgments made from the telecast--including, of course, all those contained in this post--are suspect since we see so few of the hands (and I don't know how accurate the commentary is in giving the flavor of what's happening overall), but it really seemed that he was just waiting around for monsters and that it wasn't going to work.
Watching the previous weeks, I got the impression that while Darvin Moon of course was getting lucky, that he was also a pretty shrewd player who was working the "aw, shucks, I don't know much about playin' this poker" thing to mislead his opponents. After some of the bad moves he made, though, I wonder now if he just really wasn't that good. Can you get that far based just on luck? We were amazed that he didn't have any sponsor logo, given that there are big bucks involved. Supposedly he was negotiating with some but for whatever reason never reached a deal. At one point he made a bad play, and I said to my brother that he didn't get a sponsor and he apparently didn't get a coach, either, and indeed he said as much in a video package a couple of minutes later.
Speaking of sponsors, it was really weird that someone (can't remember who--Shulman? Buchman?) had a sponsor tag for AMC's upcoming remake of The Prisoner. Is this the first non-poker-related logo to show up on the WSOP coverage? First I can recall, anyway, and I certainly wouldn't have guessed it would be for a TV series.
Anyway, to end up with the big picture, Cada's comeback was really quite amazing. He was really down and out early on, and I wouldn't even have expected Ivey to be able to come back from that. I thought he played very well, although for a supposed heads-up specialist (we got a kick out of the idea of someone having a poker specialty at 21) he seemed to have a hard time getting a read on Moon when it was just the two of them.
I know there was no PPV of the final table this year, at least in the US, but I did see an online stream of it so I assume it was aired live somewhere. I assume this was without hole cams, but I still would have watched it if I hadn't been working so much this weekend, and I still might watch some of it if someone posts it to Usenet or whatever. It would be interesting to see how different the flow of play seems without ESPN's editing.
Originally posted by Peter The HegemonPerhaps the most interesting thing was ESPN deciding to extend the show.
I hadn't really seen who had won, so I was INTO it. Then I figured they would run the final three on a separate show because it was like 7:56, so I got impatient and went and check the results. Naturally, fifteen minutes later I went back to the TV and Cada and Moon were heads-up. Do I get pissed at ESPN or Comcast for that?
I thought Cada was the most likable guy at the final table behind Ivey and Moon, so I was glad he won, but he got a couple HUGE suck-outs where he was all-in with a small pair and hit a set against a bigger pair.
Holy fuck shit motherfucker shit. Read comics. Fuck shit shit fuck shit I sold out when I did my job. Fuck fuck fuck shit fuck. Sorry had to do it....
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ASFIK, there was no streaming video/PPV of the final table. There were some live streaming audio with an animation of the hands and the pots. Listened to the first 90 minutes of heads up before I realized it was 1:30am and I didn't care THAT much.
Must've been super rough to get the whole thing on the air with just two days from the final 9, and just a half a day from the final 2. Probably why they missed their time limit.
Originally posted by Peter The HegemonIn the end, they ran until 11:30. I applaud them showing more of it, but I suppose there were a lot of people who TiVoed or taped it who found their recordings cut off with four people still in the mix and were pissed.
I was one of those people; I recorded it and realized that it would run long when they started saying Sportscenter was going to start at 10:30 (CST). But, by then it was too late to record the overrun. I saw that ESPN2 was showing it later, so I re-recorded it. Luckily, I'm off work today, so I could finish the last 30 minutes this morning.
I don't know much of this was due to editing, but the final table really seemed to be more about luck than skill (more so than usual). Schulman was crippled when he had a huge advantage, as was Sauot. Ivey busted out as a consequence of being short stacked as the odds dictated he had to go all in with a coin flip outcome. Of all the 9, I thought Sauot was playing the best but got sunk by bad luck. Still, Cada seems like a decent guy, so I don't have a huge problem with him winning (it's not like he was Jamie Gold or anything).
I followed thanks to @ESPN_Poker and the great job they did, over 300+ tweets on all the big hands...almost decided to open the thread yesterday but preferred for the TV showing.
The final 9 to 2 took over 15+ hours, from what I read and saw on the program, the editors did a great job of showing the final table right...Saout and Shulman uber tight, Ivey card dead, and Cada and Moon running AMAZING.
Final 2 took about 3 hours, yet almost lasted about 2 hands with the super aggressive play they started with. Moon really played better than thought and like Negranu tweeted Cada played him wrongly playing big pots instead of small ball. But in the end Cada had the luck and Moon ran out of steam, if you go to the ESPN podcast you can hear that Moon was actually glad it was over and an undertone that he was glad he didn't win IMO.
Of course i was pulling for Ivey, Cada was my second favorite from hearing him on the podcasts. Moon reminds me of Andrew Black when he lost, they were not ready for all the pressure and celebrity status.
Now it's time to keep pushing for the new internet poker bill which you can always help by joining the Poker Players Alliance.
I hate to open up a new topic, but how is that a reflection of America? Why would that happen more here than anywhere else? Do you really think that poor Thai fighters whose risk is greater(less regulation and poorer medical care)