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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.24
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Group A boils down like this, roughly:

    Mexico/Uruguay and/or France/South Africa draw, Mexico and Uruguay are in.

    If Mexico or Uruguay win, then they get in and the other will get in unless France/South Africa winner wins by 5 (France) or 6 (South Africa) goals plus the GD in the Mexico/Uruguay game.


Uruguay/Mexico should be good if they play to try to avoid a match-up with Argentina in the round of 16 - which they should both legitimately want.



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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
Germany seem to be on their way to a loss to Serbia - down 1-0 in the 78th minute and down to ten men after the red card for Klose. 8 yellows handed out by the ref so far. Still nowhere close to the 16 yellows and 4 reds that were handed out to Holland and Portugal last time.



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
    Originally posted by used2bcool
    Germany seem to be on their way to a loss to Serbia - down 1-0 in the 78th minute and down to ten men after the red card for Klose. 8 yellows handed out by the ref so far. Still nowhere close to the 16 yellows and 4 reds that were handed out to Holland and Portugal last time.


Between that game and the US/Slovenia ref calling fouls based on the imaginary game in his mind, I think FIFA might need to bring in Deputy Officiating Coordinator Fist Punchballs. You know, for quality control purposes.





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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.05
I was on the phone, so I may not have seen it right, but it looked to me that the offside on what would have been the third US goal was wrong. Am I wrong?

As I understand it: The US should be rooting for a draw in the England/Algeria game this afternoon. If there's a draw, then if the US beats Algeria they definitely move on. If there's a win either way, then if the US beats Algeria they move on *unless* England and Slovenia draw. (Unless I'm missing something, there seems to be no scenario in which the US draws Algeria, let alone loses to them, and still moves on.) Have I misunderstood anything?
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
There was no offsides, in fact there were three fouls being committed against USA players. The goal should have counted. Bad officiating all day today in both games.



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.98
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    I was on the phone, so I may not have seen it right, but it looked to me that the offside on what would have been the third US goal was wrong. Am I wrong?

    As I understand it: The US should be rooting for a draw in the England/Algeria game this afternoon. If there's a draw, then if the US beats Algeria they definitely move on. If there's a win either way, then if the US beats Algeria they move on *unless* England and Slovenia draw. (Unless I'm missing something, there seems to be no scenario in which the US draws Algeria, let alone loses to them, and still moves on.) Have I misunderstood anything?


SI's minute by minute report says that the goal was disallowed by a foul on Bocanegra, who did have his arm around a Slovenian defender. Of course, the reason he was holding him was that the Slovenian had him in a headlock at the time, plus another defender had a pretty solid grasp on Bradley, so the correct answer to the question "Why was the 3rd US goal disallowed?" is "Who the hell knows.




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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.19
As long as the US beats Algeria by two goals or more, they advance, and there's an outside shot they could still end up as first seed. They'll have 5 points, and there is no way for two other teams to have MORE than 5 points at the end.

If England beat Algeria AND England and Slovenia tie, it means all three teams end up with 5 points (that's the only scenario where that happens). Then it would go to Goal differential. Since Slovenia, England, and the USA would have tied all the games between them, that means the two teams who hammered Algeria the worst advance. Slovenia only won 1-0, so as lond as the US won by two they'd be in, and if they beat Algeria worse than England they'd end up as first seed. Even if they only won by one goal they still might advance depending on the scores of the remaining games.

If the US draws Algeria, they're still a shot for them to advance if Algeria and England draw. In that case they're in if England also loses to Slovenia, and still might sneak in if England and Slovenia draw.

If the US loses to Algeria they're out.

EDIT: Well, after that debacle by England, we're in an interesting situation. All teams control their destiny - meaning whoever wins is in no matter what, whoever loses is out no matter what (well, almost - if Algeria beats the US by one goal and England beats Slovenia by one goal, Slovenia could still slip in depending on the final scores).

(edited by MoeGates on 18.6.10 1638)

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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
Group C:

Basically, USA beats Algeria, USA is in.

----Slovenia beats England:

USA is in unless they lose.

----Slovenia draws England:

USA beats Algeria and is in and GD will decide who will win the group. Slovenia is +1, USA is even. Goals scored is the next tie breaker. Slovenia and USA both have 3.

USA and Algeria draw then tiebreakers. Slovenia wins the group and GD is 1st tiebreaker. USA and England are even, therefore goals scored will be next. USA has 3, England has 1. If England scores only 2 more goals than USA in their ties, then it would go down the tiebreaker list to drawing lots. England scores 3 or more than USA, England is in, otherwise USA is in.

Algeria beats USA, Slovenia and Algeria in.

----England beats Slovenia
USA beats Algeria, both USA and England in, tiebreakers used for who wins group.

USA and Algeria tie, they're BOTH out

Algeria beats USA, England is in and tiebreaker between Slovenia and Algeria.





(edited by Zeruel on 18.6.10 1641)


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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.41
International (wordless) style!

(I hope I got it right.)

C+3+1+3
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(edited by CRZ on 18.6.10 1837)

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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
England have drawn against Algeria. I happened to catch the first half, and Algeria was the team with more aggressive intent for the most part. I think that makes the US's job easier.

So here are the scenarios:
Slovenia: The only way they go out is if England beat them and USA beat Algeria. Otherwise they are through. They win the group if they beat England, regardless of other results. Even if they draw, they win the group if USA don't win against Algeria. If USA beat Algeria by more than 2 goals, Slovenia will finish runners-up. If USA beat Algeria by one goal, Slovenia will win the group if they score more than the US.

England: If they lose to Slovenia, they're gone. If they draw with Slovenia, they must hope that the US does the same against Algeria, but even then England's problems don't end. US and England have the same goal difference, so the next tiebreaker is goals scored. In order for England to go through they must score 3 more goals than the US does in their game against Algeria. England can win the group if they beat Slovenia and USA don't defeat Algeria. The group winner will be decided on tiebreakers if England beat Slovenia and USA beat Algeria.

USA: Their situation is similar to England but they hold the tiebreaker over England by 2 goals. If they beat Algeria and Slovenia don't beat England, they win the group. If Slovenia win their match and USA do not lose theirs, USA will qualify. If Slovenia don't win their match, USA must win to guarantee outright qualification. A draw brings tiebreakers into the picture, where USA have the advantage. If England win their match, USA must win to go through.

Algeria: If they don't beat USA, they're done. If England don't beat Slovenia, and Algeria win their match, Algeria go through. But if England beat Slovenia, then Algeria will tie with Slovenia. Algeria will go through if they can cover the -2 goal difference that currently exists in their respective sides.



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.41
    Originally posted by used2bcool
    about 350 words
So the table is correct? ;-)

(I guess if it was a picture, it would have been worth a thousand words AH HA HA)



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by used2bcool
      about 350 words
    So the table is correct? ;-)

    (I guess if it was a picture, it would have been worth a thousand words AH HA HA)


I would think so. I tried really hard to understand the table, I promise I did. But I couldn't. That's not your fault, of course, I think I might be graphically challenged.



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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
I heard that no team has come back from two goals down to win a World Cup game since 1930, until the US did it Fri..

Oops. That must explain it, since it's never been done before, it couldn't possibly happen ever.

Jim Joyce blows the Perfect Game call, mans up immediately, and is voted 'best ump' in a player's poll.

The Malian Joe West hides behind FIFA, which doesn't require an official to explain a decision to anyone. Players, Coaches or Media. But the honchos there think human error is a feature, not a bug.

Update: Even the FIFA Officals began to sit up and take notice.

The Mexican fans are the only group I've noticed who could drown out the vuvuzelas. Which makes me miss the team chants all the more.

Is that really Alexi Lalas in the studio, or Peter Krause reprising his character from "Sports Night"?




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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.26
    Originally posted by TheOldMan


    Is that really Alexi Lalas in the studio, or Peter Krause reprising his character from "Sports Night"?


I like Lalas. He looks like such a cool dude, too.
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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.83
    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    I heard that no team has come back from two goals down to win a World Cup game since 1930, until the US did it Fri..



In 1966, Portugal came from 3-0 down to North Korea to win 5-3. Just sayin'...

(edited by Spank E on 19.6.10 2128)


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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.05
    Originally posted by TheOldMan


    Is that really Alexi Lalas in the studio, or Peter Krause reprising his character from "Sports Night"?



Well, if Dan Rydell shows up to complain about how boring soccer is, I'll be very happy. B^)
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#57 Posted on
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Group A boils down like this, roughly:

    Mexico/Uruguay and/or France/South Africa draw, Mexico and Uruguay are in.

    If Mexico or Uruguay win, then they get in and the other will get in unless France/South Africa winner wins by 5 (France) or 6 (South Africa) goals plus the GD in the Mexico/Uruguay game.


Not sure about your goal difference makeup calculations there. If Mexico v Uruguay is a draw, then Uruguay win the group, and Mexico finish second. If either of them wins the game, and France v South Africa isn't a draw, then goal difference, and possibly goals scored come into it.

Current goal differences (that sounds wrong, but sod it)

Uruguay +3
Mexico +2
France -2
South Africa -3

So if South Africa and Mexico win, Mexico win the group, and South Africa finish second if they make up six goals (i.e. They win 3-0, and Uruguay lose 3-0). France would need to make up five on Uruguay and four on Mexico, though given the shambles they're in right now, I'd be surprised if they even bother turning up.

After all that, it's drawing of lots (which has happened, back in 1990, when Ireland and the Netherlands drew lots to see who finished second and third in their group)
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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
    Originally posted by Captain Ferret

    Not sure about your goal difference makeup calculations there.


Crap. Yeah, I buggered up that one.



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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
    Originally posted by Spank E
    In 1966, Portugal came from 3-0 down to North Korea to win 5-3. Just sayin'...


Well remembered. I knew *someone* had to have done it, but the best I could come up with was Germany coming back from 2-0 down to beat England in 1970, and they needed extra-time to complete that turnaround. There's possibly something more recent I'm forgetting too.

    Originally posted by Captain Ferret
    France would need to make up five on Uruguay and four on Mexico, though given the shambles they're in right now, I'd be surprised if they even bother turning up.


Well, they certainly aren't training no more. (news.bbc.co.uk) The French are really raising the bar for dysfunctionality at this tournament. Even the crazy go nuts in-fighting of some of the Dutch squads in the 80s and 90s is as nothing compared to these guys.

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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
WWE wrestlers wish they could sell as well as that Ivorian player did today. Poor Kaka, suspended for a World Cup match due to a dive.
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