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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.24
Anyone watching this thing?
It's weird, I don't really care about MLB, but the idea of international competition, even a half-hearted one like this, interests me. I'm sure most MLB fans are just the opposite.

Let's review the rules: there are intricate pitch count rules that I assume were required by the MLB teams before they would allow their pitchers to participate. A pitcher can only pitch in consecutive games if he threw less than 30 pitches in the first game (in no way is a pitcher allowed to pitch in 3 straight games, no matter how many pitches). A pitcher who throws between 30-49 pitches has to have one day rest, and a pitcher who throws 50+ pitches needs 3 days rest. Per game pitch limits are 70, 85, and 100 pitches for the first, second, and third rounds, respectively.

These rules obviously mitigate the importance of starters. Only 4 of Team USA's 16 pitchers are starters. They also only have 4 outfielders on the 28-man roster.

Current bracket is here.

Unlike last time, the first two rounds of the tournament are double elimination (as opposed to round-robin), which effectively means that they have to show the worst team in each pool only twice instead of 3 times. Chinese Taipei has already been eliminated, while Japan has already clinched a spot in the next round.

There was a pretty big upset when the Netherlands (with only one player on roster who spent the majority of his 2008 season in MLB, and that player is Sidney Ponson) beat the star-studded Dominican Republic (starting lineup of Willy Taveras, Robinson Cano, Hanley Ramirez, David Ortiz, Jose Guillen, Miguel Tejada, Willy Aybar, Nelson Cruz, and Miguel Olivo) by a score of 3-2. DR starting pitcher Edinson Volquez was charged with the loss even though he allowed no earned runs. The Netherlands scored all 3 unearned runs in the top of the 1st thanks to two errors and a wild pitch.
The Dominican Republic now faces an elimination game against Panama on Sunday.

I don't know whether China over Chinese Taipei (Taiwan) is an upset or not.
On the one hand, Chinese Taipei beat China 12-3 in the 2006 Classic, and it would seem to have the more talented players.
China only has 4 players who have played outside of the Chinese league, the best of which is American-born Ray Chang, who spent most of 2007 in AAA Portland. Taiwan, meanwhile, has had its share of players in MLB. But like some of the other countries, their best players didn't want to play in the Classic. Somehow I doubt China had that problem.

The United States beat Canada 6-5, setting up a 2nd round game with Venezuela to decide the dominate team in Pool C (which also has Italy in it). The winner and runner up in Pool C go on to Pool 2, where they face the top two teams from Pool D (Domincan Republic, Netherlands, Panama, and Puerto Rico).
In 2006, Canada's left-hander heavy lineup gave Team USA trouble. Dontrelle Willis was supposed to be the starter against lefty-heavy lineups, but he went 0-2 with an ERA of 12.71 in two appearances.
The lefty trend continued this year, with 26 of Canada's 40 at bats going to left-handers. And when the game started, Team USA had to worry about whether history was going to repeat itself. Jake Peavy started the game and allowed 2 earned runs in 3 innings of work. But Team USA took the lead and the win thanks to home runs by Kevin Youkilis, Brian McCann, and Adam Dunn.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
I was in Toronto yesterday for the USA-Canada game. Great atmosphere in the Dome, and a really exciting ballgame to boot. Given the rock-bottom state of the Canadian pitching staff (our 'ace' is Blue Jays fifth starter candidate Scott Richmond), we held up rather well against the American bats. After Canada escaped two bases-loaded jams in the 7th and 8th I thought the comeback would be complete, but it wasn't quite meant to be.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I keep meaning to wake up for the Asian games, but then my alarm goes off at 3:30 and I realize I don't like Chinese baseball that much. Thought I was kinda disappointed they got destroyed this morning to be eliminated - a shake up would've been fun, but Japan and Korea is what everyone figured.

As a country, the best we can not as a closer is JJ Putz? That quite nearly cost them that game.

DR choked many many chances away. Panama looked thin and I can't imagine Netherlands winning two in a row, so the revenge game should be fun.



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I was a sick man and woke up at 1:30am to watch the Taiwan-Korea game. I love the WBC. I went to the semis and final at PETCO Park in 2006, and the atmosphere was incredible. Now, I'm trying to figure out if I want to spend three days in LA for the semis and final this year.



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I watched Cuba put a beat down on South Africa.



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I watched USA v. Venezuela last night. I had to turn it off as there is only so much Rick Sutcliffe a human can take.
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whew...netherlands scared the hell out of me today...but finally we came through! Awesome game, off to Miami to see how we do there. Go PUERTO RICO!



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Since A-Rod was in the DR uniform for the commercials, can we blame him for their elimination at the hands of the Netherlands? I say yes.



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Honkbal strikes again!

If their pitching ever goes away, they're gonna get slaughtered, they can only manage 2 or 3 runs a game, but, hey, they may as well enjoy their run.

Anyway, team Nederland plays Puerto Rico tomorrow for seeding, and that's a pretty important game for them actually. A win, and they're likely to play Venezuela, and a loss would mean a game with the US (assuming, of course, that there's no other surprises in store.)



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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo

    There was a pretty big upset when the Netherlands (with only one player on roster who spent the majority of his 2008 season in MLB, and that player is Sidney Ponson) beat the star-studded Dominican Republic (starting lineup of Willy Taveras, Robinson Cano, Hanley Ramirez, David Ortiz, Jose Guillen, Miguel Tejada, Willy Aybar, Nelson Cruz, and Miguel Olivo) by a score of 3-2.


The Netherlands winning was definitely an upset but not by as much as people are making it out to be. The DR does have a lot of Major League players but those names are a lot bigger than the way they play now. How many of those players actually currently scare you at all? Without Manny, A-Rod and Pujols their two best players are Hanley and Reyes and they can't even start them both at the same time. It took them two games to figure out their best chance was to bite the bullet and play Ortiz at first so Hanley and Reyes can both be in the lineup. I thought that was a no-brainer. I think nearly beating Puerto Rico's offense once is more impressive than beating the DR twice.

I don't see what's wrong with Putz as a closer. They did have Joe Nathan and BJ Ryan also but both pulled out a week before the first game. So they were left scrambling at the last minute and the best they could do for replacements were Latroy Hawkins and Joel Hanrahan.

One of my new favorite players because of the WBC is Adam Dunn. I've never seen him in interviews playing in Cincy or Arizona but he's a pretty funny guy.

Pedro has pitched 6 scoreless innings. Surely he'd be a better fifth pitcher for the Mets than Tim Redding, Livan Hernandez or Freddy Garcia.




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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.08
    Originally posted by kwik


    Anyway, team Nederland plays Puerto Rico tomorrow for seeding, and that's a pretty important game for them actually. A win, and they're likely to play Venezuela, and a loss would mean a game with the US (assuming, of course, that there's no other surprises in store.)


Whoops.

Puerto Rico won, but then, so did Venezuela, so it's Holland vs. Venezuela, and Puerto Rico vs. the US.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
    Originally posted by djp
    I watched USA v. Venezuela last night. I had to turn it off as there is only so much Rick Sutcliffe a human can take.


Eh, Sutcliffe isn't that bad. If you want your commentary in the form of toture, then Orestes Destrade is the man for you.





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.17
    Originally posted by supersalvadoran
      Originally posted by djp
      I watched USA v. Venezuela last night. I had to turn it off as there is only so much Rick Sutcliffe a human can take.


    Eh, Sutcliffe isn't that bad. If you want your commentary in the form of toture, then Orestes Destrade is the man for you.




I'm happy to give Mr. Destrade a try. Derek Jeter is so entrenched in Sutcliffe's vernacular that he probably brings him up during love making (insert jab). I compare it to watching the Smurfs and how they use the word 'Smurf' to replace random verbs.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.58
    Originally posted by djp
      Originally posted by supersalvadoran
        Originally posted by djp
        I watched USA v. Venezuela last night. I had to turn it off as there is only so much Rick Sutcliffe a human can take.


      Eh, Sutcliffe isn't that bad. If you want your commentary in the form of toture, then Orestes Destrade is the man for you.




    I'm happy to give Mr. Destrade a try. Derek Jeter is so entrenched in Sutcliffe's vernacular that he probably brings him up during love making (insert jab). I compare it to watching the Smurfs and how they use the word 'Smurf' to replace random verbs.


I love how in the first United States game Sutcliffe gave Derek Jeter credit for Brian McCann's home run, like Brian McCann didn't know how to hit until Derek Jeter came along and in a 30 second conversation McCann was suddenly an All-Star.



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United States - Bottom of 9th SCORE
J.C. Romero pitching for Puerto Rico PUR USA
S Victorino singled to right. 5 3
B Roberts singled to center, S Victorino to second. 5 3
D Jeter lined out to right, S Victorino to third. 5 3
B Roberts stole second. 5 3
J Rollins walked. 5 3
F Cabrera relieved J Romero. 5 3
K Youkilis walked, S Victorino scored, B Roberts to third, J Rollins to second. 5 4
D Wright singled to right, B Roberts and J Rollins scored, K Youkilis to second. 5 6
3 Runs, 3 Hits, 0 Errors

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.64
Hell of a time for Ichiro to show up. After batting so-so throughout the classic, he gets 4 hits in the championship game, including the game-winning two run single in the 10th. Congrats to him and team Japan in winning the Classic once again.



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    Originally posted by supersalvadoran
    Hell of a time for Ichiro to show up. After batting so-so throughout the classic, he gets 4 hits in the championship game, including the game-winning two run single in the 10th. Congrats to him and team Japan in winning the Classic once again.


Holy shit that was fantastic. Between that and the end of USA-PR, I hope every American player who opted to skip it regrets it for the next four years.

(Also, MLB - I enjoyed five Japan-Korea games, but there is a pretty easy fix for the format. Just have a qualifying round in, say, 2011 or 2012, so you can get MORE countries involved, and then take the final 8 and steal the College World Series format. They won't mind.)



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
The problem with that is you'd need some of the players for two straight years (though it's lessened by not going as long.)

You'd probably need to have some hybird solution - maybe the final four teams earn an automatic birth into the next WBC Final Round, and then 12 or 16 teams compete the year before for the other four spots. (This'd be an easy way to expand the tournament, which they're clearly thinking about.)

You'd have to do something to make sure countries just didn't get drawn into an unfair group in the qualifying round, but there wouldn't be as much time commitment in any one year.

(Of course, if you don't have Japan and Korea play in the first few rounds, will there be many left to care?)



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