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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.18
Okay we all know Mr Ass gets winded fairly quickly in singles matches but the million dollar question is.... WHY?

He looks to be in pretty decent, if not, above average shape. How is it possible that he lacks stamina? Any fitness guru's know the answer?

I'm guessing that he smokes... can't think of any other reason.

(edited by LionJeetSingh on 8.7.04 1834)


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He might have packed more muscle onto his frame than he could handle. If you look at him in the Smoking Gunns era, if you can get past the mullet and porn star moustache, he looks like a different person.

As to how he got the muscle...cough cough.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.70
    Originally posted by LionJeetSingh
    He looks to be in pretty decent, if not, above average shape. How is it possible that he lacks stamina? Any fitness guru's know the answer?

    I'm guessing that he smokes... can't think of any other reason.


Ever hear of steroids? And even if it's NEITHER, it could simply be that he has bad cardio.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.99
Or else just plain "age" at this point. He's got to be getting up near the top fo the roster now, but he still tries the old stuff he used to try to do as a Smoking Gunn.


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Everyone assumes it MUST be steroids but steroids would not give a person bad wind. If you trained to have good wind, steroids would only increase your capabilities. I know people who depend solely on weights for their "fitness" usually tire very quickly in all sports.

That said, his being tired is hardly what's kept him back. It's not his moveset either, because he has/has had impressive moves over the years. He just can't put a decent match together, his moves don't flow logically and he also can't seem to connect with an audience to save his life. Now, if you're moves don't flow, but you connect to the crowd, ala Goldberg---there's a place for you. Or, if you can connect but your moves/ring psychology is awesome, that'd be a Benoit/Malenko type, and again, there's a place for people like that.

But to fall short of the mark on both fronts is a deadly one-two punch that can't be booked around.

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
Well, actually it can be booked around, the same way they actually have with Billy. Put him in a tag team. Every couple minutes, he comes in and does some nifty moves, then he goes out again to catch his wind. Billy gets the badmouth around here, but there's a reason he's had the tag belts something like 9 times.
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Well, yes and no...sure, Billy Gunn has held the tag titles 742 times. And yes, the NAO were pretty over for a year or so there and deserved the spot they were in. But let's be honest, most of what Billy Gunn has had, whether in the Gunns or as Chuck Palumbo's boyfriend, has been spacefiller. The Gunns got the titles because 123/Sparky and the Godwinns couldn't very well carry the ball as face champions; Billy & Chuck were slightly more interesting than Taz & Spike. That's about it.

I'll be generous and say Billy Gunn had two years when he was really over in and around the DX period and when he first came back from his rotator cuff injury. That's good for 2/11. I'm not going to lose too much sleep over it as long as he doesn't get a big push again; I have no problem with a longtime company guy staying employed as a glorified jobber. The guy sucks, though, and he has for a while. Winning a tag title a year for nine years that included the Attitude period does not translate into a guy necessarily being a good worker in 2004.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.39
It most likely has to do with a few factors:

but first - whether or not Mr. Sopp uses steroids is more or less irrelevant.

#1) You cannot determine a person's cardiovascular conditioning by examining their physique.

WHY: A person's cardiovascular conditioning has to do with the heart and circulatory system's efficiency in removing waste product from muscles and feeding fresh oxygen in to replace it. This has nothing to do with how much muscle you have or how low your bodyfat % is. Genetics determine your basal rate, exercise can improve it, but if your genetically poor in this area, you can only improve it so much. It does not mean Mr. Sopp is lazy and doesn't train hard enough, he may just have bad luck in this area, genetically.

#2) Sopp is deceptively large. Most people assume (and I have no idea why) that he is maybe an inch or two taller than Shawn Michaels. In fact - for a while they were compared. (another bizarre conclusion.) He really doesn't get winded too much faster than the average wrestler his size, but because he doesn't read as "large," most people expect a quicker pace from him than other people his size.

#3) Sopp has likely developed his Type IIB muscle fibers more than his Type I's. Type IIB's are power fibers, they provide quick bursts of energy but fatigue very quickly. They use up tremendous amounts of oxygen, thus inhibiting cardiovascular performance. Pro bodybuilders have TONS of Type IIB fibers. (and Type IIA's, which can take on the characteristics of both Type I and Type II fibers.) Anyway - back to Gunn, because he is very tall, he most likely focuses on Type IIB's in order to give his legs a good shape, otherwise he would have thin-looking legs.

For comparison, notice that the wrestler's with thinner legs can usually sustain longer matches. => Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Edge, etc . . . this is partly because there is a more even devolpment between Type I and Type II fibers. *Partly.*

(Take a good look at Benoit's lower body compared to his upper body - you'll begin to see what I mean.)

These are general rules. Everyone's body is unique and some things affect different people differently. Everything from "ligament insertion distance" to skeletal structure can affect a person's natural athletic ability in different ways. Thus, in addition tot he above 3 suggestions, there is also #4) Who knows? ;)
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    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    Or else just plain "age" at this point. He's got to be getting up near the top of the roster now, but he still tries the old stuff he used to try to do as a Smoking Gunn.


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Except he's not wearing tan Wranglers while performing those moves, which could lead toward anyone's lack of stamina.




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