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Since: 8.1.02
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#1 Posted on
Since I have missed RAW for the past month and a half or so, I would like to hear what is going on in one of my favorite divisions. Has it seen more "legit" (and interesting) wrestling action now that Victoria is in it full-time? Obviously there is still TnA, but does the good stuff outweigh that? Are they working more competitors into the mix or is it going to be Trish-vs.-Victoria for the next 2 months?

What has Molly been up to since loosing the title?

I like the idea of Trish taking massive attacks, building a lot of face heat. Any chance we may finally see Trish-vs.-a female heel stable?

Any other general thoughts? Please fill me in.

DMC



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#2 Posted on
They're doing their best with it, I'd say, but I don't think women's wrestling will ever be taken seriously in North America. They can have pretty good matches, but no one wants to see women hitting each other with chairs, no one I've met in the real world, anyway. Even in the days of the legendary Moolah, it was more about hair-pulling and bitchslapping than actual athleticism. I don't think today's division means anything when Stacy Keibler is getting a title shot. People whine about 'Taker and Test, but even proportionately they are nowhere near as bad as Stacy or Torrie when they get in the ring. It's sad that we accept these women in matches for the women's title, because really, all that means is that our expectations for athleticism in these matches is so low we'll accept anything or anyone. Sable was amazing compared to these women. Victoria is good, and has a natural heel look (in other words she's not hot) but she won't save this division. One or two Japanese females and then we'd have something.



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#3 Posted on
Victoria not hot? I beg to differ. As far as Sable being better than any of the women (assuming you were referring to all of them, not just Torrie and Stacey), I think NetHackSlasher will take offense to that in regards to Trish. I'll let him speak.

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#4 Posted on
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Since: 8.6.02
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#5 Posted on
Before Nethack blows my balls off, I meant Sable was better than Torrie and Stacy, not all the women.



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Since: 7.8.02
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#6 Posted on
I think Fit Finlay should be commended for what he's done with these women over the last year. He's taken a bunch of (mostly) pretty faces with ZERO ring experience and given them a credible ring presence. Some have had more success than others, but I think the whole lot of them have come miles (no, not Linda...) further than what most of us expected.
Of course, I'd also nominate Trish as Most Improved Wrestler in 2002, but I may be in the minority.



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Since: 3.10.02
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#7 Posted on
I could go with you on the most improved wrestler. She can put on a decent match. Why cant the guys get it together like the females, and put on mostly good matches?

ANd as for Victoria not looking good, well, she is no Playboy model she AINT a dog either. Plus, she had nice, thick thighs and butt on her! Man I gotta have some MEAT on the bones!
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Since: 1.8.02
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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by DMC
    Since I have missed RAW for the past month and a half or so, I would like to hear what is going on in one of my favorite divisions. Has it seen more "legit" (and interesting) wrestling action now that Victoria is in it full-time? Obviously there is still TnA, but does the good stuff outweigh that? Are they working more competitors into the mix or is it going to be Trish-vs.-Victoria for the next 2 months?

    What has Molly been up to since loosing the title?

    I like the idea of Trish taking massive attacks, building a lot of face heat. Any chance we may finally see Trish-vs.-a female heel stable?

    Any other general thoughts? Please fill me in.

    DMC


I'd say we're still a month or 2 away from turning the corner. IIRC, Ivory is expected back in a couple of weeks, & Jazz is targeted back sometime in December. Once they get back, then "business should pick up".

Molly was noticably absent from Raw Roulette this week. Hopefully she's not injured.
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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    as for Victoria not looking good, well, she is no Playboy model


You're right, Victoria is far prettier than Chyna. And I'd take Victoria over Trish, Stacy or Torrie any day.
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I think the Women's Division is shaping up, slowly, but they really need to get them on one show. Trish is doing amazing work... both Stacy AND Torrie, while no where near ready for title shots, are showing improvement, Molly is awesome, Victoria seems awesome as a killer heel, Lita will be back soon, as should Ivory (who wrestled an great match vs. Molly in San Diego), and if you care about Jazz, her too. Talk about a great division! By American standards...



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    I think the Women's Division is shaping up, slowly, but they really need to get them on one show. Trish is doing amazing work... both Stacy AND Torrie, while no where near ready for title shots, are showing improvement, Molly is awesome, Victoria seems awesome as a killer heel, Lita will be back soon, as should Ivory (who wrestled an great match vs. Molly in San Diego), and if you care about Jazz, her too. Talk about a great division! By American standards...
Regarding Lita -- she's not gonna be back soon. She said something on Heat about wanting to be back in 7 months from her injury date, rather than the usual 12 -- its fine for her to be optomistic, but realistically, she won't be back til next May/June.

Otherwise I agree with your comments. I'm looking forward to having Ivory back full time -- that will help things immensely.
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#12 Posted on
The thing is though, people have been wanting Ivory to come back and put a charge into the division for a LONG time. Problem is she comes back for one or two shows, and that's it, presumably going back to TE or spending more time with family, which is another major thing keeping her away.

(I think she would be perfect to head a female heel team with TE girls and perhaps herself and Victoria as the main muscle. Once you get enough legit female wrestlers in there, something like this HAS to happen!)

DMC



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
Oops, better not tell DMC about the new soap-opera storyline that everyone here seems to hate...er...the women's division is GREAT! Great with a capital great!




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Since: 16.1.02
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#14 Posted on
I'm dubious about Stacy -- she just doesn't seem all that coordinated to me, the occasional spin-kick aside. But I'm sure she'll keep wrestling, if only because they want to keep showing that boot choke-camel toe spot.

I've pretty much given up on hoping for Ivory to come back -- at this rate, Jazz will be back full-time before Ivory.
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Since: 3.10.02
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#15 Posted on
Stacy is just TOO lanky to be a good performer! Her big long legs, while sexy to look at, make her the female equivelant of Giant Gonzalez.
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#16 Posted on
Come on guys I ain't that bad, wait a sec sure I am (lol). I did assume Hogan's son meant the WCW chicks =). Yup I also think Trish should get most improved in 2001 she went from very little skill to competent, 2002 she went from competent to really great and IMO opinion the best bumper/ seller in the Women Division actually one of the best in all of the Fed. Heck how piss poor I feel the tag division is nowadays I might even consider Trish & Bubba as one of the best tags (they had more work and better chemistry then most real tagteams)... I also think Victoria is nice looking. I think she looks a little like Meredith Brooks (producer of Lilian Garcia CD on sale now), she's bigger then the other girls but not freakish. I like her.

The women division will live and die by the storywriting because the athletes are there. It's shown early this year in the Jazz/Trish feud with decent writing you could get a feud over. At the time Trish was just starting to be seen as a legit wrestler, Jazz was a new but one dimensional character. But somehow they made it work because of a never quit underdog vs. the violent heel storyline... Molly/ Trish had was just as good or even better matches then Trish/ Jazz. Trish was a more legit wrestler at this time and Molly is a more recognizable superstar. But the feud flopped because of bigass/ granny panties storyline.

Trish/Victoria feud is starting off on the right foot. So far not a trace of "my body is better then your body" storyline. I am a little worried about Trish's "deep dark secret". Some of the speculation here (have seen none on wrestling sites) is damn risky and scary or it could be really lame. But I'm going to sit back and hope they surprise me..... I actually would like to see Molly go back to a face (I know that's a lot of flip flopping for her, but I think it's for the best) and bring Ivory in as a heel. You could have Ivory pick on and be a total jerk towards Molly making Molly a sweet and sympathetic face and have Molly stand up and fight back. Sure it's a little like Trish/ Molly but atleast this time it makes sense because we feel sorry for the face not the heel like last time.

Any combo of matches between Trish/Molly(face) Victoria/ Ivory(heel) would be really good. Tag matches or mix matching (between the girls) once in a while could keep things fresh. The shakiest of the possible combos is Trish/Vickie and everytime they go at it, they are smoother and more comfortable. You could even have a Trish & Molly apoligizing to eachother for being stupid this summer (which BTW would be a kinda shoot because the feud was stupid).

As for the other girls, I like Stacy somewhat, I find her to be too funny that she loses every match (heck twice to freakin Terri) but still so confident to throw out challenges all the time. "Pucker up Trish" (lol). Stacy spinkicks is an amazing visual. I actually don't hate her in limited wrestling role (tag team matches) once in a while. Because she's so tall she brings something different to her match which others girls can't..... As for the SD girls, Nidia seems pretty good. Haven't seen nothing of Dawn but would like her in a valet role. Torrie, I guess she improved a little, but she still seems like a cardboard cutout to me. She seems to go through her spots okay, but I just don't get a feeling she's really fighting and her bumping is in slow motion.





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#17 Posted on
I've seen a few people who seem to think that the Trish/Victoria "deep, dark secret" is going to involve a lesbian angle but I've yet to see anyone point out the obvious possibility that Trish stole Victoria's boyfriend.

I'd be all for finding out that Trish slept with Victoria's boyfriend, thus crushing Victoria's heart and setting up for a heel/face turn for both of them. You could have Trish turn into a cocky bitch and Victoria as the scorned victim who's trying to get her revenge. You could even turn Molly face as well by having her comfort Victoria and help her fight Trish. Then Ivory could come in as Trish's special mystery partner.

Not that I actually expect them to turn their most popular diva heel but it's not like half the fans can tell the difference between the heels & the faces. They just cheer for which ever one gets naked that week.
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Since: 8.1.02
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#18 Posted on
I would like seeing Trish as the cocky bitch again too, but unfortunately it would involve turning the most over and talented female face since Wendy Richter into a heel so I don't know if we'll see it for awhile. But it would be cool to see Trish suddenly turn in an important moment of decision (say, attacking her partner Molly during a tag match, hitting Stratusfaction after Stratusfaction like Hogan and his legdrop in the NWO with a big smile on her face while Victoria and Ivory cheer her on with Scott Hall-like double-finger points! YEAH BABY!!)

DMC



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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by DMC
    I would like seeing Trish as the cocky bitch again too, but unfortunately it would involve turning the most over and talented female face since Wendy Richter into a heel so I don't know if we'll see it for awhile. But it would be cool to see Trish suddenly turn in an important moment of decision (say, attacking her partner Molly during a tag match, hitting Stratusfaction after Stratusfaction like Hogan and his legdrop in the NWO with a big smile on her face while Victoria and Ivory cheer her on with Scott Hall-like double-finger points! YEAH BABY!!)

    DMC



Okay...I have to admit...

That would absolutely rule, DMC!



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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    I could go with you on the most improved wrestler. She can put on a decent match. Why cant the guys get it together like the females, and put on mostly good matches?

    ANd as for Victoria not looking good, well, she is no Playboy model she AINT a dog either. Plus, she had nice, thick thighs and butt on her! Man I gotta have some MEAT on the bones!



Y'see, there'a a LOT MORE men wrestling than women, so the crap is pretty proportionate. For every Benoit/Angle/Misterio clash & Trish/Molly wrestlefest, there's...lingerie matches and HHHH squashing poor guys like D'Lo...



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