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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21



    Originally posted by CRZ
    Buncha MOVIE SMARKS


Exactly. Can't you guys watch a movie and just enjoy it? Why do you have to analyze whether it's a sci-fi movie or an action movie or whatever movie? Be like DrOp. Watch it and enjoy yourself. Man, you guys are the same ones who can't watch a wrestling match without analyzing it to death or can't enjoy a match unless Chris Benoit is in it.



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#22 Posted on
TWO new sequels? WHat's that about? Are they both coming out at the same time?
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#23 Posted on
Jkyle.com says:


    Originally posted by CRZ
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I don't think Rocky VI will deliver. Stallone hasn't had any crowd heat since "Stop! Or my mom will shoot" and his workrate in Rocky V was a mere spotfest, rehashing old crowd pleasing sequences, with no psychology, timing, or heart.





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#24 Posted on

    Originally posted by count olaf
    TWO new sequels? WHat's that about? Are they both coming out at the same time?


Close enough. About 5 months apart, IIRC.



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#25 Posted on
See, I think the term "post modern" is just a trendy phrase that is just a way for people to feel good about liking a poor action/sci-fi movie. A good way to feel "in." That is exactly what I meant about people liking the Matrix because it is "cool" to.
I mean, I can't feel too pumped about going to see a movie where they spent a quarter of the films budget on a single scene. Sounds to me like a film that relys far too heavily on special effects, and will likely be very lacking in story.
And when it comes down to it, that is what makes a movie great. When you have Piles of crap with TONS of spectacular effects like Mission to Mars, that becomes clear.
I'll take "Fight Club" over "The Matrix" anyday, thank you...



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#26 Posted on
No.

Post-Modern is a term used in art and culture to classfy a "style" of work, much like Modernism, Impressionism, Realism, Cubism and all the others that came before it.

It's NOT a trendy term.

And an argument can be made for the post-modern elements in Fight Club.

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Since: 23.1.02
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#27 Posted on
Of course, you have to realize, that there isn't a single thing coming out of Hollywood these days, that does not fall under the category of 'Postmodern'.

-Jag

I liked the Matrix. If you feel the need to classify it, it was an 'action' movie. Not Sci-Fi. The action scenes are what made the movie good, and everything else was just filler between those scenes. Of course, I enjoyed the filler as well, otherwise I wouldn't have enjoyed the overall movie as much.



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#28 Posted on

    Originally posted by pieman

      Originally posted by CRZ
      Buncha MOVIE SMARKS


    Exactly. Can't you guys watch a movie and just enjoy it? Why do you have to analyze whether it's a sci-fi movie or an action movie or whatever movie? Be like DrOp. Watch it and enjoy yourself. Man, you guys are the same ones who can't watch a wrestling match without analyzing it to death or can't enjoy a match unless Chris Benoit is in it.



My sentiments exactly. THANK YOU

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I agree on one thing: in using archetypal stuff in the movie, they went a tad overboard. I mean, why does the messiah figure always have to be called "THE ONE?" Everytime someone in the Matrix says, "you are THE ONE, Neo!" I just cringe.

Still, there is NOTHING wrong with mysticism. Mysticism rules. Mysticism makes life sweet, in my opinion.

Note: I have no stats or anything to back that up, it's just my mystically-derived opinion. ;)




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#29 Posted on
I am well versed in the definition of "postmodern," thank you. My point is that PART of the reason it is used as a trendy term is that it has real cultural meaning. If you like the Matrix because you think it is "Postmodern," you are cool because you are cultured.
My point is this- from a filmmaking standpoint- Fight Club is an incredible story. It has some decent special effects, but they are ONLY used to enhance the story. And if they were not there, the movie would STILL hold up. The Matrix, on the other hand, lives or dies by its special effects. It is a poorly thrown together story with bad acting and some decent effects. Take away the effects and you get a pile of crap.
Who cares if Fight Club is "postmodern?" It is a good damned movie. It is solid through and through and classifications like "Impressionism" and "Surrealism" are not guages of whether it is good, rather simply the style it was done in.
So you think the Matrix is Postmodern. So what? It still sucks...



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21


This keeps coming back to defining what kind of movie "The Matrix" is. Can't we just agree that people like me and DrOp like the Matrix and you don't? Does it have to keep coming back to saying we are tasteless because we like something you don't.

Some of my favorite movies:

Repo Man
Rock N Roll High School
Raising Arizona
Rocky

Now most of these are not classics, but hey, I like them. It's an opinion. I have mine. You have yours. It's a great country like that.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Everyone has their own tastes in movies and I try to avoid criticizing people for that. Some people like art house films and some people like popcorn flicks. I get just as much enjoyment out of both. Personally, I file The Matrix under popcorn flick and enjoy it as such.

To analyze a popcorn flick like an art house film will only give you a headache.





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#32 Posted on
I should just shut up and let you keep talking PoolBoy, but I feel the need to say this:

Just because I liked Matrix, that doesn't mean that I am some person that "liked it because I thought it was cool." In fact, I liked it because it *entertained* me, which is what movies are meant to do. I know some movies have this *deeper* impact, but most are meant as entertainment and are judged on theatrical impact and revenue.

You speak about knowing what Postmodernism means, but your previous post reads otherwise. Then, you go and dismiss the post-modern tendencies of a movie you like just because it serves to undermine your entire point.

I think Fight Club was a well-done, well-thought-out movie, but I did not like it. It did not entertain me. I found it pretentious and overbearing. I don't feel the need to watch it over and over, even thought I know people who do. Notice how that still does not influence my opinion of how good a movie it was or how well it came across.

In fact--if you like Fight Club so much, start a thread about it to discuss it ad nauseum, but there is no need to come into a "Hey, we're excited about the Matrix" thread and piss all over a movie you think you were too good to like in the first place.

DrOp--Merc with a mouth, indeed.





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#33 Posted on
"For the last time, no you don't."

Sorry, but I had to slip that one in there. The first Matrix didn't really interest me much (although I finally figured out why "I Know Kung Fu!" was so funny when said on SNL's Celebrity Jeopardy), although I do have a thing for Carrie-Anne Moss.



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#34 Posted on
pieman's "list" of favourite films other than Matrix:

Repo Man
Rock N Roll High School
Raising Arizona
Rocky


So, dude, I HAVE to ask. (Well, no, not really, but I feel all smart-assy and stuff)

Is Matrix the FIRST movie that you liked whose title didn't start with the letter "R"?
(And your list is missing the GREATEST "R" film of all time. I know that Spielberg and Lucas have retroactively renamed it, but it still "Raiders" to me.)



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#35 Posted on
I am simply retaliating in kind. I do not believe that classifying any movie as "post-modern" has any bearing on how good it is.
And Fight Club was merely an example of a movie I felt signifigant enough to compare to The Matrix. It was not a comment on "If you want to do "post-modern," this is how you do it.
My point was never underminded. It always was, and remains, that I personally feel that The Matrix certainly was not as original and amazing of a movie to deserve the massive amount of hype and following that it has gotten.
YES! I absolutly agree that you should be totally free to enjoy a movie, no matter how pathetic it is, or what anyone thinks of it. Hell, I like Killer Klowns for Outer Space, and that is a HORRIFIC movie.
I am not judging ANY of you Matrix fans for being Matrix fans. I am, however, questioning your judgement in anointing The Matrix the end-all-be-all of sci-fi/movie making/post-modernism or whatever you think it is. And personally registering my disgust of a repeat performance of the my past subjegation to a ridiculous amount of undeserved "Matrix" hype. And the fact that I have to put up with not one but TWO of these releases next year really irritates me. It is about as bad as having to sit through sessions on how damned wonderful Survivor/"Insert Your Favorite Reality Show Here" is.
So while you may be free to enjoy the film, I am just as free to dislike it, and point out that it is, in fact, one long unoriginal amalgam of several good sci-fi (and otherwise) stories and films.
But it is post-modern, so that makes it fine. That is the part, I suppose, that I will never get.

Pool-Boy--I would rather spend my time hyping something of real quality.



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#36 Posted on
....um, yeah. Is it just me or do some of you guys think too much? Just wondering....



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#37 Posted on
    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    The Matrix, on the other hand, lives or dies by its special effects. It is a poorly thrown together story with bad acting and some decent effects. Take away the effects and you get a pile of crap.<


Matrix..meet Star Wars..Star Wars..meet Matrix.

Movies like this are supposed to have an emotional impact on people. Most people seem to dig the movie, and love the thought behind it. If you aren't one of those then so be it.
Ofcourse there are better movies out there that bring across the 'alternative reality' concept better than The Matrix. But that doesn't mean either of those movies is better.
According to many a fan out there there is more to the movie than just those two or three super special effect scenes.

Ofcourse the concept can be fascinating..
do we rule our own lives or are they governed by something else. Do we make the dream we live in or do we live in a dream.

PS - Until now I thought the thread would be about Kung Fu..didnt make the connection..and all I initially wanted to post was 'you know Kung Fu..but do you know SHAMPOO???!!'

(edited by dMp on 31.12.02 0928)


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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21



    Originally posted by Llakor
    pieman's "list" of favourite films other than Matrix:

    Repo Man
    Rock N Roll High School
    Raising Arizona
    Rocky


    So, dude, I HAVE to ask. (Well, no, not really, but I feel all smart-assy and stuff)

    Is Matrix the FIRST movie that you liked whose title didn't start with the letter "R"?
    (And your list is missing the GREATEST "R" film of all time. I know that Spielberg and Lucas have retroactively renamed it, but it still "Raiders" to me.)



Hey dude, you're alive! I get email after email for weeks and then nothing. Where's all the recap love?

Anyway, there are also several movies I like that do not begin with the letter "R" but I will not reveal them at this time, Mr. Arty Smartypants.



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#39 Posted on
Yknow, the main problem with the Fight Club argument is that Fight Club was a book first, and more important than that is the fact that it was a book that wasn't shredded into an entirely different entity when it became a screenplay. So right off the bat you're coming from two different schools of thought. Fight Club is an entirely different type of movie than Matrix anyways, which is exactly what everyone has said: a popcorn movie with INNOVATIVE special effects, and the fact that the word INNOVATIVE is always used to describe them shows that the movie was more than just some bandwagon to jump on; it had an actual impact in the way fight scenes are done in action movies, for better or for worse (I'd vote for worse myself, but I'm in the 'use your computer graphic effects sparingly' camp myself). You might as well compare Gone With The Wind to Predator.

And did anyone else see that Clerks cartoon where the phone kept ringing and it would be Orpheus continuously trying to tell Dante about the Matrix?

"Neo, it's me again. I still want to tell you what the Matrix is."

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