I hate to sound like a geek but I can't wait for this to come out. I watch the trailer about once a week.
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Ah, I can't wait for them to come out so I can rush to not see them... I am sorry, the Matrix was a pile of garbage... it ripped off just about every good sci-fi movie in the last couple of decades... The only thing it had was decent special effects, and those are a dime a dozen these days.... Total Recall... now THAT was a damned good movie...
Originally posted by Pool-BoyAh, I can't wait for them to come out so I can rush to not see them... I am sorry, the Matrix was a pile of garbage... it ripped off just about every good sci-fi movie in the last couple of decades... The only thing it had was decent special effects, and those are a dime a dozen these days.... Total Recall... now THAT was a damned good movie...
Your post appalled me so greatly, I'll just say it like Kane from Final Fantasy 2:
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I am sorry, that is how I feel. The plot was dull. The concept of people trapped in a "compter fantasy world" is an old one. See Tron for a famous example. Total Recall? A movie where you do not know what is real, and what is "programmed?" Concept sound familiar? Fancy Kung Fu special effects? Hell, Kung Fu movies have been doing things like that for years. That is nothing at all special. The Matrix is just like Survivor, in my opinion. A few people might really enjoy it, and the vast majority of everyone else LOVES it because it is cool too. Now people like me who are actual Sci-fi fans have to put up with another year of this obnoxious hype.... I mean really... There is nothing AT ALL special about the Matrix. That entire movie was made by one cool hyped up special effect, that I will admit was innovative. But Special Effects do not make a movie. I mean, look at all of the "parodies and tributes" you see on TV and in other films. Do they mimick a key scene in the drama (like Kirk's "Khan!!!!!!" in Star Trek 2, or Bogarts "Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon-" in Casablanca? NO! It is a gimmicked up camera shot that the film could have done without, and the story would still be intact. To its credit, I have to admit that the Matrix was an "average" movie. It is just hard to listen to the world rave about a barely par movie full of ripped off concepts and very little innovation being hailed as the next coming of Star Wars....
I think the problem is that the Matrix isn't a Philip K. Dick sci-fi movie, but yet that's kind of what people go in assuming. It's not Blade Runner, or Total Recall, or Minority Report. It doesn't really have the "made you say hmmm..." plot.
I mean, teh movie sets up like a sci-fi, plot driven movie, but then it turns into a complete action movie. The big plot devise comes in really early. It's all a computer world. Ever since that point, you're waiting for some twist that never comes. Is it really the real world that's a fantasy? Is Keanu really a program? Some shit to make you think? Instead you get a lot of guns and cool special effects.
When you judge the Matrix against other sci-fi movies, it blows. But when you look at it as simply an action movie, and judge it against other action movies, it's pretty good. The Terminator (and Terminator II) are also somewhat in this boat, although they do a much better job of setting up the movie as an action movie, not a sci-fi movie.
I guess the big question is if the next two Matrix movies are going to be sci-fi movies or action movies. Is the basic plot setup going to have swerves and changes and double meanings? Or are they simply going to keep the basic backround structure, and have a simple plot with a lot of special effects and guns.
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I wasn't much impressed with "The Matrix." I'd seen pretty much every gimmick in the movie already and it seemed like a bunch of "kewl" action sequences strung together. No more, no less.
So when you have a bland action movie (nothing's real, so there's no real consequence to the action one way or the other, so why care who gets killed?) anchored by the phenomenally bland Keanu Reeves it makes for an Ok moive--decent way to spend 2 hours, but nothing I felt like deserved a sequel, much less 2.
I dug the first Matrix. I was thinking "post-modernist" when I saw it as well, DrOp. And I don't think it's absolutely necessary for a sci-fi piece to have plot twists and what not. As for the "what is real?" question, that's been around since before science-fiction (was it Descartes or Kant? I can never remember. Ah, it was probably neither with my luck), so there's no reason why it can't be done again. I thought it was presented in an innovative way in The Matrix. And what's important to note about the special effects is that, much like the Terminator movies, they enhanced the movie, but didn't star in it.
And I don't think parodies are really much of a gauge of how good or bad a movie is.
For someone who just got the SE of Total Recall for Christmas, I concur with Pool-Boy. Not to detract from The Matrix, which I totally dig, but Total Recall's story has a little bit more to it than Matrix's. Knowing if Ahnold's in reality or not, and never knowing a resolution makes you think a little bit more than Keanu entering Hugo Weaving.
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Y'see, the Matrix is a fun movie (soon to be a fun trilogy of movies), and fun equals money. Thusly, money equals popular.
Revisionist history has relabelled anything "popular" as good. Look at the music industry, hundreds of millions of albums have been sold by some artists who really suck musically. Then again, there's also been some awesome forms of expression (films, music, etc) that have made lots of money and been popular, too, while remaining really good.
I for one am anxiously awaiting the next two Matrix movies. Why? Because they were fun, fresh and inventive. They weren't boring, and I ain't paying $12.50 Canadian for something boring.
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My problem with the Matrix was not with its concept, but with its resolution. The downloading-skills concept has great potential, and there's a spy/agent caper flick just waiting to be centered around it -- sort of Johnny Mnemonic meets James Bond, if you will. Some clever writing in the form of a hard storage limit would do the trick.
But if you're going to go sci-fi, go sci-fi -- build the plot and its resolution around the technology and its creative usage, not around a lame right turn into the Realm of Prophecy. The "he was dead but LOVE brought him back and thus he is the Chosen One after all that the oracle had spoken of" ending dripped so much deus-ex-machina cheese over all that had come before it that it soured me on the whole experience. Going philosophical or metaphysical is one thing -- going MYSTICAL is quite another.
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