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It's been announced- Dontrelle Willis and Angel Berroa won the Rookie of The Year awards

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1658488

Surprised to see the NL margin so wide. AL's margin was smallest in 24 years. Berroa is a surprise to me. I guess I've just been hearing about Gerut and Baldelli when it comes to rookies. Willis deserved it in the NL (The Marlins fan in me notwithstanding). He had good numbers, plus what he brought to that team can't be measured in stats alone.
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I'm thrilled that Matsui didn't win it...



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Hopefully Willis won't be a flash in the pan, as he kinda looked in the last couple months of the season.

Good to see the sportswriters are wising up and not considering the Japanese veterans to be 'rookies' anymore.



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Willis deserved it for his overall season, but I'd be holding my breath going into next season if I'm the Marlins. He didn't look good down the stretch, and was flat out unreliable in the post season. I think Gerut deserved the AL award, but Berroa wasn't a bad choice. The slim margin of victory was appropriate given the number of guys who had good rookie seasons.
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Crap on a stick...Podsednik had a shot at being the first Brewers ROY since Pat Listach took AL honors in 1992. That dude was one fast mofo...stole 2nd base with him all the time in Hardball III.

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[I'd like to preface these remarks by stating, for the record, that I hate the Yankees. Carry on.]

I like Angel Berroa and all, but this is a bunch of bullshit. For two voters to literally choose for themselves to disqualify Matsui because they felt like he shouldn't be eligible is completely ridiculous and, IMO, taints this year's award. They should immediately strip the two assholes who think THEY should be the ones to overrule a policy the MLB has set. It's got to be reasonable to think that Matsui would've gotten a financial bonus for winning the award, and these two jokers likely cost him that bonus.

I don't care whether you think a Japanese player should be a rookie or not. The fact is that MLB says he IS A ROOKIE. Don't insult everybody and act all holier than thou about it! "I couldn't in good conscience vote for him..." You're SUPPOSED to vote for him. He's ELIGIBLE. Don't cost the man an award and a bonus because YOU don't like the rules. Give your vote to some who can actually vote within the guidelines. Or just abstain in protest.

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I have to agree with JayJay. To me that's the same mindset as people who refuse to vote someone for HOF because it's their first time on the ballot. While I'm glad Matsui didn't win it (though I would have gone for Gerut 1st and Berroa 2nd) I think it's crappy that he lost it that way.



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I actually thought Brandon Webb had a better overall season than Willis did. Granted, he didn't bring the huge spark that Dontrelle did to that team (and the entire Miami scene), but he did keep the Diamondbacks afloat while their Big Two were down with injuries. As it is, his showing last year may also impact the offseason wheeling and dealing, since Schilling now has a shot to be dealt (since they'll still have a solid 1 and 2), and if not, that's a great 1-2-3 combo from out west.

This isn't to say Dontrelle didn't deserve it, either, just that I believe Webb had a better case.





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    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    Willis deserved it for his overall season, but I'd be holding my breath going into next season if I'm the Marlins. He didn't look good down the stretch, and was flat out unreliable in the post season. I think Gerut deserved the AL award, but Berroa wasn't a bad choice. The slim margin of victory was appropriate given the number of guys who had good rookie seasons.

As a Marlin fan, I AM holding my breath for next season when it comes to Willis. His performance in the playoffs was nothing to write home about, either.
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Agreed with JayJay on those two writers as well. I thought Berroa deserved it more than Matsui anyway, but to not have Matsui third behind Berroa and Gerut is wrong.

As for the NL. Brandon Webb was so much better than Dontrelle Willis it isn't even close! Willis one for this mid-season pizzazz. Down the stretch and into the playoffs, McKeon didn't even think he was one the best 4 starter on his team. Webb totally dominated hitters this season and got crappy run support. I believe the league hit .212 against Webb. Stupid voters.



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    Originally posted by pieman
    Agreed with JayJay on those two writers as well. I thought Berroa deserved it more than Matsui anyway, but to not have Matsui third behind Berroa and Gerut is wrong.

    As for the NL. Brandon Webb was so much better than Dontrelle Willis it isn't even close! Willis one for this mid-season pizzazz. Down the stretch and into the playoffs, McKeon didn't even think he was one the best 4 starter on his team. Webb totally dominated hitters this season and got crappy run support. I believe the league hit .212 against Webb. Stupid voters.

Look beyond the stats- he sparked the Marlins after a slow start, and literally re-energized baseball in South Florida. Attendance was 10,000 more than average when he pitched. He deserved it.
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and it doesn't hurt that his team won the world series either. and of course, Willis's one-hitter was everywhere while Brandon 2-hitting or so the dodgers was pretty much clipped to "the bums only got 2 hits" on a certain TV network...anyways, i'm more interested in what they do in 2004 now...

yeah, i hate the Matsui reasoning--give Berroa or Gerut credit and say they deserved it, not just 'well, the other guy played in japan, so i don't feel comfortable about that'
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    Originally posted by geemoney
      Originally posted by pieman
      Agreed with JayJay on those two writers as well. I thought Berroa deserved it more than Matsui anyway, but to not have Matsui third behind Berroa and Gerut is wrong.

      As for the NL. Brandon Webb was so much better than Dontrelle Willis it isn't even close! Willis one for this mid-season pizzazz. Down the stretch and into the playoffs, McKeon didn't even think he was one the best 4 starter on his team. Webb totally dominated hitters this season and got crappy run support. I believe the league hit .212 against Webb. Stupid voters.

    Look beyond the stats- he sparked the Marlins after a slow start, and literally re-energized baseball in South Florida. Attendance was 10,000 more than average when he pitched. He deserved it.


Since when are awards about attendence? And how could less people have possibly shown up anyway. I reject your argument as bogus. Look beyond the stats? I don't think so, homey.



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    Originally posted by pieman
      Originally posted by geemoney
        Originally posted by pieman
        Agreed with JayJay on those two writers as well. I thought Berroa deserved it more than Matsui anyway, but to not have Matsui third behind Berroa and Gerut is wrong.

        As for the NL. Brandon Webb was so much better than Dontrelle Willis it isn't even close! Willis one for this mid-season pizzazz. Down the stretch and into the playoffs, McKeon didn't even think he was one the best 4 starter on his team. Webb totally dominated hitters this season and got crappy run support. I believe the league hit .212 against Webb. Stupid voters.

      Look beyond the stats- he sparked the Marlins after a slow start, and literally re-energized baseball in South Florida. Attendance was 10,000 more than average when he pitched. He deserved it.


    Since when are awards about attendence? And how could less people have possibly shown up anyway. I reject your argument as bogus. Look beyond the stats? I don't think so, homey.

Well, I guess I don't care that you "reject my arguement"- the mob has spoken, and they say Willis.
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    Well, I guess I don't care that you "reject my arguement"- the mob has spoken, and they say Willis.


Acutally, I rejected your argument, not your "arguement." You says he "deserves" it on the basis that more people came out to watch him pitch than when someone else was pitching for the Marlins? I really thought the award was for the best "player" in his first season. Clearly, Brandon Webb pitched better than Dontrelle Willis.

(edited by Keeper on 15.11.03 2314)

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