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#1 Posted on
Just read this at Rajah:

"The WWF (World Wildlife Fund) is apparently still voicing their displeasure with WWE, releasing a statement that basically stated that they are not happy at the trademark change and were hoping for a more distinct change. Here is their press release:

LONDON, England, May 7 /CNW/ - News that the World Wrestling Federation Entertainment Inc. have changed their name and logo in light of recent court action has been received with surprise by WWF, the conservation organization. This unilateral move comes when an application to appeal to the House of Lords by the Wrestlers' is still pending. Yesterday the World Wrestling Federation announced that it was changing its name to World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc., as well as altering its scratch logo and website domain name - both of which were subject to the case brought by WWF. Paul Steele, Chief Operating Officer for WWF International said: "The fact that the Wrestlers have taken this action is an acknowledgement that the proposed appeal has little chance of success. However WWF was expecting that they would opt for a more distinct name change that would put 'clear water' between our two organizations, to quote one of the judges in the recent court action. We are still considering the implications of this move as the earth's natural environment relies on the public's recognition and trust of a respected, global conservation organization. The Federation's breaches of the 1994 Agreement diluted and tarnished WWF's identity and the messages associated with it. Unfortunately, WWF's repeated requests all failed to convince the Federation to abide by the Agreement that it freely negotiated and signed, and WWF was forced to bring the action."

- If this is true, what solution would appease the Fund?
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#2 Posted on
If all the World Wildlife Fund does is waste money on stupid court cases with a WRESTLING ORGANIZATION they just screwed them out of whatever sympathy cash I could've given them. This is stupid. Screw the panda people.


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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jaguar
    If all the World Wildlife Fund does is waste money on stupid court cases with a WRESTLING ORGANIZATION they just screwed them out of whatever sympathy cash I could've given them. This is stupid. Screw the panda people.


    -Jag



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I think it's about time the new RAW theme song becomes Corky & The Juice Pigs "The Pandas Must Die".

I'm trying to remember some of hte lyrics off the top of my head.

Black and white, the friendly bears of China
Black and white, they rarely reproduce
What shall be done about these Chinese bears?
What shall be done about those friendly bears?

Chorus: Die! They must die! The Pandas must die!
Die! They must die! The Pandas must die!

Why should we save them? What good to they do?
Have you ever seen a panda do something good for you?
They can't wear T-shirts
They can't bounce basketballs.
They can't walk tightropes over Niagara Falls.

(Chorus)





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Now that is a cool press release. They start off saying how the change took them by surprise and it feels like they're saying "Hey, we didn't expect this, don't blame us!" And then they turn around and nail you with the suprised...because it's not enough! bit in the second half. And they call them "the Wrestlers" and constantly refer to themselves as the WWF just to rub it in. And their COO is named Paul Steele, which is a much better wrestling name than X-Pac or Albert or Test.

The Wildlife Fund should go all out and start a "WWF Attitude!" campaign now to really kick the WWE when they're down. That would be awesome. I would buy one of their pandas or spotted owls or whatever product it is that they sell.
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It makes me want to go out and have panda or some other endangered species tonight for supper.





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#7 Posted on
then go order some chinese.

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#8 Posted on
Waitaminute... you do realize that if the World Wildlife Fund is successful, then the Fed might actually have to come up with something better than WWE, right?
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#9 Posted on
Personally I cannot see any court making the WWF... err WWE change their company name again. The WWE is changing all refernces of their former identity, inlcuding web addresses, and Any forced change that would require a drastic change in name (IE getting rid of the WW) would cause harm to the WWE as a company. The WWE did what was asked of them and those tree-hugging hippies (come on, I needed to make some bad joke about these morons) want more. They need to get over the fact that nobody in mainstream media knows they even exist and be happy with the fact that they won this court case, because I can only imagine what type of lawyers the WWE could dig up to destroy the WWF if they decide to keep pressuring them.



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#10 Posted on
Well, the lawyers for Vince so far have done a rather poor job with this case to begin with. I cannot for the life of me understand how the WWF lost this case. All they had to do is show the WWF signature that looks like WF than WWF and compare it to the Panada Bear singature the Wildlife Fund uses. It should have been that easy. I don't know what the English court was thinking or what iron clad contract Vince signed with the Wildlife people to begin with, but it just doesn't make sense.

Vince should ask for a refund from the lawyers. It is funny to see the tree hugging Wildlife people worry and spend more over their signature than saving this species that will be eradicated anyway if the fund is there or not. The Wildlife people scream about coroporations, but it seems to me there are more hypicritical than Exxon or other enviroment destroying companies. Hopefully, we can wipe out all the endangered speices out in the next few monthes to bury these people.

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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by A Fan
    Well, the lawyers for Vince so far have done a rather poor job with this case to begin with. I cannot for the life of me understand how the WWF lost this case. All they had to do is show the WWF signature that looks like WF than WWF and compare it to the Panada Bear singature the Wildlife Fund uses. It should have been that easy. I don't know what the English court was thinking or what iron clad contract Vince signed with the Wildlife people to begin with, but it just doesn't make sense.


The problem wasn't the logos, it was the fact that the WWE was using an already copyrighted name that the WWF had owned long before the WWWF was even created. It also didn't help that there was some type of previous agreement between Vince and the WWF people.



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Trineo said:


    They need to get over the fact that nobody in mainstream media knows they even exist and be happy with the fact that they won this court case, because I can only imagine what type of lawyers the WWE could dig up to destroy the WWF if they decide to keep pressuring them.



I have a feeling that in the rest of the world (you know, all that space outside to good ol' US of A) the World Wildlife Fund is at least as well-known as the World Wrestling Federation.

And again, appeal to the ``Power of the American Justice System'' and the Big Bad Corporate Lawyers(tm) all you want. This is a battle that money is going to win.

And then A Fan said:


    Well, the lawyers for Vince so far have done a rather poor job with this case to begin with. I cannot for the life of me understand how the WWF lost this case. All they had to do is show the WWF signature that looks like WF than WWF and compare it to the Panada Bear singature the Wildlife Fund uses.



Now Vince has incompetent lawyers. Yeah, musta been a real bunch of incompetents who saved him from being burned at the stake over steroids in the early nineties.

Lastly, brand recognition is not all about logos. Blind people don't see brands, they hear them. Deaf people don't hear them, they see them. Any idiot can tell the panda from the scritchy-scratchy. But how many can distinguish one from the other when all they have to go on is the letters `WWF'.

Fact: The World Wildlife Fund trademarked ``WWF'' 40 years ago.

Fact: Vince McMahon's company admitted there was a very real chance of confusion over the trademark when they signed the ``limited use'' contract 8 years ago.

Fact: The World Wrestling Federation is bigger now than it's ever been (hence the brand has more world-wide exposure than ever before).

Fact: No judge in the entire goddamn world is going to see it any other way, no matter how many top-notch lawyers Vince brings in.

Just because one can't see past the borders of the USA doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't exist. Just because a judge somewhere else in the world doesn't agree that the World Wrestling Federation should be able to trample all over copyright law doesn't mean that judge wasn't as good as an American judge, nor does it mean the lawyers for Vince & Co. were incompetent.

And just because video games taught one that ``the good guys always win'' and ``there's always another chance'' doesn't make it true in the real world. The Organization Formerly Known as World Wrestling Federation Entertainment created the possibility for this eventuality 8 years ago when they said, ``yes we know there's potential for confusion, so we'll sign this contract right here because now is not a good time for us to try a name change'' (`now' being right in the middle of the steroid trials).

They made a token battle this year, realized they couldn't win, and made a pre-emptive strike in an effort to take control of the situation. Now is a good time for a name change. It's not going to kill the ratings (which aren't very good), it's at the beginning of their yearly cycle (which ends with next year's Wrestlemania), and it's close to the beginning of the financial year, so there's time to overcome any detrimental effects before the financial report for 2002.




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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by tarnish
    I have a feeling that in the rest of the world (you know, all that space outside to good ol' US of A) the World Wildlife Fund is at least as well-known as the World Wrestling Federation.




Speaking as someone from outside the US I have to say that anytime I hear the initials WWF I think of wrestling. I guess that'd be pretty understandable, what with me posting on a wrestling board and all, and I imagine everyone here is the same. But friends of mine who aren't wrestling fans would also think of wrestling and not the World Wildlife Fund. However everything else you said was right, it wouldn't matter how many lawyers the WWF (sorry, WWE) got, legally the Wildlife Fund are in the right here because of the agreement signed in 1994. However I maintain that anyone who could confuse the Worldwide Fund for Nature with the World Wrestling Federation is really, really stupid.
ges7184
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Since: 7.1.02
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#14 Posted on
I can't see why the World Wildlife Fund and WWE couldn't have come to some kind of agreement that would have worked for both parties. But since they couldn't, I must agree that the law falls on the side of the World Wildlife Fund.

Now that they have changed the name to WWE, combined with the great effort they are putting forward to remove all references to the WWF, I have the think that should be enough to satisfy the law, and it should satisfy the World Wildlife Fund. The fact that they (World Wildlife Fund) seem to be continuing to pursue this makes me believe this is more about winning some kind of financial reward than about the WWE changing its name. Is the Wildlife Fund seeking punitive damages in its claim?
Saruman
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#15 Posted on
They could always just call themselves wCw. I mean, that's what they're turning into, anyway.





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#16 Posted on
So the Fund is still upset because the change is only one letter? Does that mean Ted Turner can sue Viacom since TNN is one letter away from TNT? How about Baseball suing Columbia pictures for making Men in Black because MLB and MIB are similar?

Why do I have the feeling that is the WWF changed to a name who's acronym used the other 24 letters in the alphabet, the World Wildlife Fund would still bitch because it contained letters from the same alphabet the Fund used for their acronym.



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#17 Posted on
The simple solution:

WWE should have changed it's name to Shijie Shuaijiao Yundog Zu (World Wrestling Group [the one that means a number of people or things put together in some way], in chinese... mah dictionary ain't got Federation)... with the proper chinese characters though. That's only 7 characters long, and could make a rad logo.

Then they would be safe from trademark litigation from all comers, since they aren't exactly enforced well in china.
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#18 Posted on
These people are tooo freakin much. If there is any justice in the world or a real cool judge he would pull a pure wrestling move and reverse the decision and tell those hippies "I tried to be nice but you got greedy now "f" you"... And then the WWF could get a new slogan "get the F back here"





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#19 Posted on
Did you notice that last night Cole was the first person to blame the Fund for the name change on-air? Since JR didn't do anything like that on Raw, I can think of two explanations:

A) Cole made an unauthorized, off-the-cuff comment.

or

B) On Monday they were going to be good, and not mention the reason for the change or criticize the fund on-air, but when the Fund *still* wasn't satisfied, they changed their minds.

But A) doesn't make any sense because Cole never makes off-the-cuff comments, besides which, Smackdown is a taped show, so even if it was unauthorized, they could have cut it.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the comment was added in post-production, after the Fed had more time to decide how to react to the Fund's press release.

This sort of thing might get the Fed in trouble, but I'm glad they found their collective balls. Frivolous lawsuits like this are a travesty.

sergei



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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by Saruman
    They could always just call themselves wCw. I mean, that's what they're turning into, anyway.



Yeah OK, I *wish*. Go back and watch Souled Out 98. THAT was booking.



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