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With the departure of Spanky and probably the eventual loss of Paul London...I sat here at work pondering my hatred for a character that has received this pretty decent push for just being a buh gawd hoss...that is Matt Morgan

I have decided to list my reason for hating him and I understand that this thread will get shut down, but I really need to vent

1. His lack of charisma- he looks to me to be just another big guy who can't cut a promo worth shit, at least Nathan Jones scared me somewhat when he walked out

2. His build- he has arguably one of the most disproportioned bodies in the WWE (a very meaty, untoned body with this big upper part with absolutely two of the smallest legs I have ever seen, he looks like Kevin Nash with those toothpick legs (at least Nash covered his up))

3. How he got his spot-Ross I thought was going to cream his pants when he saw him on TE2, I wasn't that impressed, there are tons of guys that are just big like that at every gym in America...that kid Jake scared me legit and has everything that Morgan did not possess (a look, charisma, a great build)

4. His moveset-punch, kick, backbreaker, OVW hoss-bomb, oh yeah this kid has the making of a future superstar :/...at least the other guy that uses this move (Batista) looks like a badass

5. Having him beat up cruizers- Oh yeah, a guy that is 300+lbs beating up guys who weigh about 175, wow what a big stretch....I know this isn't his fault but he tries to look tough when he beats them up, and all I do is laugh my ass off b/c he looks like a wussy POS who couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag

Well, thank you for letting me rant and rave, after seeing one of my favorite wrestlers (Spanky) quit and realizing that a POS like Matt Morgan is getting a push....I know that WWE is hoss-ville but c'mon, this guy is one of the biggest pieces of shit that the WWE has come up with...he really, REALLY needed about 2 more years in OVW to even make him not give me "Xpac heaves"
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They should give a strong tag title to a classic big man/little man combination. Sadly, right now those teams (Hurricane/Rosey, Rikishi/Scotty) are comedy-oriented.

If a guy like Matt Morgan is smacking around cruiserweights, have him run into a runt who gives him a good enough fight, maybe even picks up a win. Morgan respects the cruiserweight, makes the save against another bully, turns face, and forms a tag team.

Of course, if Vince MacMahon heard this idea and liked it, we'd get tag team champions A-Train and Shannon Moore.

The other avenue is the cocky little dick hiding behind the hired muscle. The departed Spanky would have been perfect for this role, turning on Paul London after failing as a tag team, then bringing on a big guy to smack around London in the follow-up feud before moving on to a new tag team.





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wordlife: Not gonna kill this thread at all. It's just that it almost seems like everyone's saying Spanky quit because he got tired of Morgan's pre-show hot carls or something. Flogging someone because of something they can't really control (ie, being big, booking) just gets old. Although he really does need to work on his moveset.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.76
See, this shit is why I don't like smarks.

Something doesn't go your way, so you act like your sister just got raped while you were forced to watch.

Jesus, it's just a TV show.





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    Originally posted by King Of Crap
    See, this shit is why I don't like smarks.

    Something doesn't go your way, so you act like your sister just got raped while you were forced to watch.

    Jesus, it's just a TV show.




You mean, kind of like you acted when Planavoy posted "the solution to the wwe?"

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You would? You'd rather read people posting the same bullshit over and over and over.

That post was not only my reaction to that thread in, but the shit I see repeatedly.

That was an attempt to try to make the boards a little better, because that post was simply a "hey tell me how smart I am" post, IMO.



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    Originally posted by King Of Crap
    You would? You'd rather read people posting the same bullshit over and over and over.

    That post was not only my reaction to that thread in, but the shit I see repeatedly.

    That was an attempt to try to make the boards a little better, because that post was simply a "hey tell me how smart I am" post, IMO.
I believe you passed the RDA of metacontent about five posts ago; please give it a rest.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
I certainly wouldn't just rip you or censor you because of this post. You at least cited legitimate reasons for the hate.

While I mostly agree with your assessment, one reason I would give a pass to Morgan is that it's still early in his wrestling career. He seems to want to learn, and the best way to learn is to do.

He also isn't so "Hoss-big" that I can't see him getting in better shape and being able to eventually go 10-15 minutes in a PPV match in the future. This applies to someone like A-Train, who looks almost exactly the same as he did some 5-7 years ago when he came in as Prince Albert. I will give Morgan some time to feud with Benoit, Eddie and others who can really help him develop.



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If I were you, I'd hate Heidenreich more than Morgan. Pretty much all of your points (lack of charisma, moveset) can be applied to Heidenreich, who just signed a long-term contract. At least Morgan is still relatively young and can work on mic skills, and movesets and such. I think Heidenreich is in his 30's....no real plusses for him to be promoted from OVW other than he's big. But, I guess that's enough for Vince.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.77
If you call "losing all of your matches except ones against Shannon Moore" getting a big push, then you're nuts. It's ironic, because Morgan is getting, more or less, the same push as Spanky did when he came in. Hanging around the top guys enough to get an 'acceptance rub' and not much else. I wouldn't be surprised if Morgan ends up on Velocity for more than half the time either. Somehow I doubt that'll cause as much controversy.

1. His lack of charisma

He's been given a total of about 20 seconds of promo time in his entire career.

2. His build

You are really reaching with this one. Does it bother you that Chris Benoit has weird looking short arms or that Eddie Guerrero has weird looking long arms? Then what does this guy's legs matter?

3. How he got his spot

Can you really blame him for this? Everyone has to start somewhere. I'd have a hard time seeing anyone opt for expensive wrestling school and indy pay-offs against an instant chance at a WWE contract.

4. His moveset

This has more to do with how his matches have been layed out by the bookers and the agents than as an indicator of his skill level.

5. Having him beat up cruizers

He'z a heel. That'z the point.

But I'm not exactly a Morgan mark or anything. He's definitely got a lot of areas to work on and needs someone like the Undertaker to teach him how to wrestle like a decent big man as opposed to the way he has been, wrestling like a generic wrestler right out of wrestling school.
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    Originally posted by geemoney
    If I were you, I'd hate Heidenreich more than Morgan. Pretty much all of your points (lack of charisma, moveset) can be applied to Heidenreich, who just signed a long-term contract. At least Morgan is still relatively young and can work on mic skills, and movesets and such. I think Heidenreich is in his 30's....no real plusses for him to be promoted from OVW other than he's big. But, I guess that's enough for Vince.


See, and now we get to MY gripe with smarks: let me decide for myself who I should like and dislike...I'm not insane about Heidenreich, but I don't dislike hike him as much as some and I managed to make that opinion for myself.

I think it just boils down to one thing: don't TELL me who or what I should like and dislike. It reminds me of one of the most banal conversations I ever had regarding religion where this one person deflected every counterpoint I made with "You HAVE to beleive in the Lord" like pushing a playback button.



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IMO, Morgan's push has diminished greatly since his "partner" Nathan Jones quit. Other then that, he needs time. I haven't seen any OVW stuff of Morgan to get a better feel for him. So I don't really have anything to base my opinion on.

Can't blame the talent when the people running the show are clueless, spiteful, and total egomaniacs.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.32
    Originally posted by George Takei
    But I'm not exactly a Morgan mark or anything. He's definitely got a lot of areas to work on and needs someone like the Undertaker to teach him how to wrestle like a decent big man as opposed to the way he has been, wrestling like a generic wrestler right out of wrestling school.


I agree with your Morgan points, but I think you need a better example than Undertaker to teach him how to be a decent big man. Undertaker stopped being a decent big man about two years ago.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.45
I won't tell anyone who to hate or who not to, but anyone reasonable could concede that a guy that hasn't been around for more than a couple months and hasn't been given any kind of real push is a weird target for "hate". I usually hate people that are overexposed and/or shoved down my throat, not people who I hardly ever see.

What this place really needs is another "Randy Orton sucks and looks gay" thread. Those are always a barrel of monkeys.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.77
I like morgan, he was given an opportunity, and if you ask about 90 percent of wrestlers would they accept that oppoirtunity, they are going to say yes. He's a pretty decent big man but he is green, given another year or so in OVW, he could be really good.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by George Takei
    If you call "losing all of your matches except ones against Shannon Moore" getting a big push, then you're nuts. It's ironic, because Morgan is getting, more or less, the same push as Spanky did when he came in. Hanging around the top guys enough to get an 'acceptance rub' and not much else. I wouldn't be surprised if Morgan ends up on Velocity for more than half the time either. Somehow I doubt that'll cause as much controversy.

    In response, yeah it is when you could be giving some SD! time to a guy like Kanyon or O'Haire, two guys who have charisma and are light years ahead of this pile of shit1. His lack of charisma

    He's been given a total of about 20 seconds of promo time in his entire career.

    George, you should realize that charisma is something that you either have or don't have (i.e. Spanky has it, O'Haire has it, the Rock has it, hell even Nathan Jones has it) I don't see Morgan having that at all

    2. His build

    You are really reaching with this one. Does it bother you that Chris Benoit has weird looking short arms or that Eddie Guerrero has weird looking long arms? Then what does this guy's legs matter?

    Yeah, when you are going to push a guy has a huge ass tough guy....there are like 5 dudes in my gym that are the same size (muscularly)/build as him...if you push a big guy make him either a) larger than life (Mark Henry) or b) have a special charisma about them or a good gimmick (UT when he first came in, Lesnar or masked Kane when he first came in).

    How he got his spot

    Can you really blame him for this? Everyone has to start somewhere. I'd have a hard time seeing anyone opt for expensive wrestling school and indy pay-offs against an instant chance at a WWE contract.

    He really needs to work on his game, O'Haire deserved that push wayyyy more than Morgan did. Furthermore, O'Haire has more charisma and a broader moveset...I know in the real world that people with more talent get tossed aside from time to time for something else but it sucks to watch happen...I am not a big fan of Maven either but at least he realized that he needed more work and even was known that he didn't feel he belonged on TV

    4. His moveset

    This has more to do with how his matches have been layed out by the bookers and the agents than as an indicator of his skill level.


    To a point, naturally if a guy has more moves in his arsenal they will let him use them, look at Lesnar when he first arrived

    5. Having him beat up cruizers

    He'z a heel. That'z the point.

    The problem being is that HE ISN'T SCARY, AT ALL and he plays a shitty heel...he looks like the big goofy kid that everyone knows who tries to look scary, he doesn't have any charisma (and that something you can't teach, I'm sorry)

    But I'm not exactly a Morgan mark or anything. He's definitely got a lot of areas to work on and needs someone like the Undertaker to teach him how to wrestle like a decent big man as opposed to the way he has been, wrestling like a generic wrestler right out of wrestling school.


I don't mind a big guy who can pull a decent match here and there or is entertaining (i.e. Big Show, Brock) but this kid is definitely not ready at all and when I see guys like Nova down in OVW or guys like Spanky/London/Moore not given a shot just b/c of their size, it bothers me
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.55
    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      Originally posted by geemoney
      If I were you, I'd hate Heidenreich more than Morgan. Pretty much all of your points (lack of charisma, moveset) can be applied to Heidenreich, who just signed a long-term contract. At least Morgan is still relatively young and can work on mic skills, and movesets and such. I think Heidenreich is in his 30's....no real plusses for him to be promoted from OVW other than he's big. But, I guess that's enough for Vince.


    See, and now we get to MY gripe with smarks: let me decide for myself who I should like and dislike...I'm not insane about Heidenreich, but I don't dislike hike him as much as some and I managed to make that opinion for myself.

    I think it just boils down to one thing: don't TELL me who or what I should like and dislike. It reminds me of one of the most banal conversations I ever had regarding religion where this one person deflected every counterpoint I made with "You HAVE to beleive in the Lord" like pushing a playback button.

Jesus.....I'm just pointing out that Morgan and Heidenreich are similar. I don't have a gun to the guys head telling him who to like or not like. Lighten up.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.54
Actually, now that I think about it, Spanky got a better introductory push than Morgan has so far. Consider:

Spanky got a chance to immediately display some personality, while Morgan has been typecast as a mean, tall, wrestler guy. Maybe he has something to him in that respect, maybe he doesn't, but I haven't seen enough to judge.

Spanky got a number of competitive matches with established wrestlers. Including Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, John Cena, Matt Hardy and Rey Mysterio, while Morgan's highest profile matches thus far has been a 3 minute - squash - by Chris Benoit and a really minor role in a Surivor Series tag match.

But I don't even like Morgan, I just think it's really crass to call someone a piece of shit because you can't sit through his 4 minutes of TV time per week without having an anuerysm of self indulgence.

Edit: Just to further illustate my point.

Brian Kendrick's WWE record.
Pay Per View - One six-man tag team loss, teamed with Benoit and Rhyno against John Cena, Chuck Palumbo and Johnny Stamboli. Lost that barroom brawl dealy at Vengeance.
Smackdown - 4 wins by pinfall, 1 win by DQ, 3 losses by pinfall in singles competition. 1 win by pinfall, 2 losses by pinfall in tag team competition.
Velocity - 4 wins by pinfall, 5 losses by pinfall in singles action. 5 pinfall wins and 6 pinfall losses in tag matches.
For a total record of 15 W / 18 L.

Matt Morgan's WWE record, thus far.
Pay Per View - 4th man eliminated is Survivor Series tag match, after Holly, A-Train and Bradshaw.
Smackdown - 1 win by pinfall, 1 loss by submission in singles. 2 losses as a tag team, one pinfall, one by DQ. Also lost in contendership battle royal.
Velocity - 2 pinfall wins.
For a total record of 3 W / 5 L.

Now obviously Morgan's career is over a lesser period of time, but I think this dispels the perception of him getting a big or even decent push or that Spanky was never given a fair shake. The important thing to remember about being a Velocity guy is that I don't see how there can stigma attached because not very many people watch it and even fewer people take it seriously. I think the fans would've forgiven his Velocity run if he got back to Smackdown. Being on Velocity is pretty irrelevant, as it pertains to how it'll affect your future performances at least. But if you're a really good wrestler who wants to wow fans, see the world and wrestle it's ass off, it's not the best place to find yourself.



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