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Since: 9.6.02
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ive noticed on the internet that many people are marks for RVD...i personally find him very annoying...i will grant you that he is a phenominal athlete and can put on some great matches...but his whole personality and gimmick drive me nuts...first off he has to loose those god awful ying yang singlets...things that look like there spraypainted went out with the nasty boys...he also needs a haircut and a new act...they way he talks makes him sound like he is burntout,,,also i cant tell you how much i hate his stupid thumb thing...and most of the people i know share the same opinion about him as i do...but yet the net seems to love him...like i said he is a great wrestler i just wish the would give him an image makeover



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The net likes anyone who can't draw flies...Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, Storm, RVD, etc...
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Well for one thing, his singlets look like they were spraypainted because (brace yourself)...they were spraypainted. I think his outfits are cool, and a welcomed change from the simple single-color trunks most guys wear.

Also, he hasn't gotten to do much to hint at a personality since late last year, and then his calm arrogance I thought was awesome. Like the time Vince told him he had a Hardcore Title defense against the Undertaker, expecting RVD to be afraid. Instead, RVD says "It's cool. I'll just beat him. You know, like I did last time."



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I remember RVD's pre-match promo before that RVD/Guerrero ladder match

Quote from it:
RVD:"On the ladder of success nobody gets as high as RVD"

That one was extremely funny keeping in mind his history of drug-using...the guy was in High Times magazine...
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the reason i mostly say these things is that i do see a lot of potential in him...he is very talented but it seems to me the way he is marketed now he is destined to be a mid carder...i just think if he had more of an edge to him he could be a legitimate superstar and be in the title hunt continuosly and not in the intercontinental title group



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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by ExtremeLuchador
    The net likes anyone who can't draw flies...Benoit, Jericho, Guerrero, Storm, RVD, etc...


It's a shame boards like this weren't around 5-6 years ago so people could make blanket statements of this ilk, only phrased like "the net likes anyone who can't draw flies..."Ringmaster" Steve Austin, Rocky Maivia, Mick Foley, Hunter Hearst Helmsley (though the net didn't like him then either)...."



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Since: 9.1.02
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#7 Posted on
Just curious, does anyone here remember the year 2000, from July 18th, to September 7th, when the net actually DID like Triple H?

Ahhh, those were the days...


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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    Just curious, does anyone here remember the year 2000, from July 18th, to September 7th, when the net actually DID like Triple H?

    Ahhh, those were the days...


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Ok, I looked at the recaps, and I can't figure it out. What possible reason could people have for liking Triple H? ;-)



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#9 Posted on
If it wasn't his awesome matches with Jericho and Benoit, and his well-booked (up to that point) love triangle with Steph and Kurt, then maybe it was because we didn't realize that by working with and beating Jericho/Benoit/Angle, he was subsequently holding them down, or maybe we didn't know yet he was banging Steph.

Then again, I think even before we *knew*, we knew he was banging Steph...



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Since: 8.6.02
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Getting to RVD, can some one tell me what 'talented' is defined as? Here is a guy who has never cut a money promo in his life, and you can say he’s never been put in a position to, but neither was Rock when he started talking but he did it well and that’s why he was put in the position eventually. Excuse that run-on sentence. Where was I? Ah, RVD. Yes. Can’t talk at all. Sure, quiet arrogance is good, but it won’t draw money. It’s like Lance Storm’s subversive intelligence in his promos. ‘Since when is mocking your opponent via midget an acceptable form of entertainment?’ See, that’s so smart it’s not funny, but it won’t draw a dime. And when it comes to promo, you can be smart, sarcastic, or funny but that won’t mean bank. Look at Mick Foley…Of his three characters, which drew the least money? The comedy character, Dude Love. You have to be able to get behind the mic and make people believe you’re out to kick ass, and RVD will never be able to do that with his red eyes, goofy smile, shaky sentence structure and preteen-sounding voice.
As far as in the ring goes? He was so protected in ECW it’s not funny. In the WWE, he rarely has the best match of the night. Ten thousand flips are nice to watch, but without tactical significance people won’t buy it. That’s why people always dug Austin’s stuff. Punches, kicks, body presses, and stunners make sense (in theory). Doing three shoulderblocks, then a backflip-handstand and another shoulderblock doesn't. His kicks either bludgeon or miss completely, and he relies too heavily on splashes and monkey-flips and other moves that have no bang to them. This guy is not the man to carry the company, but he’s a start.




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#11 Posted on
"In the WWE, he rarely has the best match of the night."

Have you watched RAW the past few weeks? Maybe you liked Vince vs. Flair more than me, though.



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#12 Posted on
I like Rob Van Dam because he is unique.

He wrestles a different style than everybody else yet has great matches with guys who wrestle a similar style, Eddy, or guys who wrestle a totally different style, Taker.

I like Rob Van Dam because he character is laid back and confident.

We don't need every wrestler to be yelling his way through every promo he does. There are pleanty of people out there in the world who are quite a bit like Van Dam.

RVD has the 'look'. He has the moveset. The general public has been behind him almost from day one. RVD is going to make the WWF a lot of money. Sooner or later they will realize this and you WILL see him at the top of the card.

And come on. Bitching about the thumbs is just a lousy arguement. How is that any worse than a man that cups his ear, or a guy that 'Wooohs', or a man that cocks his eyebrow?



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#13 Posted on
Hogan's my Dad, I don't think your namesake can right now fight a paper bag credibly, much less sell a fight against the likes of UT and Angle, so there.

What you want, someone with an Ivan Koloff-like gravelly voice or something? Or, oh yeah, you are one of those who remenisce about The Warrior's ramblings? Nah, I rather have someone who can cut a promo without a mike in his hand to huge cheers. Just like Roddy Piper was able to do.

You say that RVD was protected in ECW? He once had a match in which broke his nose in a missed spot, laughed it off, and still kept on fighting without once touching it in pain until after the match. I was there when he did it. RVD didn't need protection then, and he doesn't now. Maybe UT needs some big time.

If all there is to wrestling is "punch-kick", as HMD mentioned, then Dominic Denucci would have been the best ever. But he was not.

Mick Foley wasn't the best at promos ever because he sounded like he can kick anyone's ass. He was the best at it because he puts his opponent "in the fight of his life, while [he] has a good time", and his speeches sell that better than anyone else.
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#14 Posted on
Deadbeater I don’t claim Hogan can still work. Simply that he is my biological father. Nuff said about that. Umm, if you read my other posts you’ll know I’m not one of those people. I loathe the warrior, but I like a good promo, whether it was classic Rock or Austin, even Triple H had some good ones as well as Foley, Piper, Dibiase, Arn Anderson, Ric Flair, Rick Rude, and heel HBK 1997 (why don’t you go ask your sister and your mama how gay shawn is?). Not all these guys did promos to convince you they kick ass, you're right about that. But they did something, pissed you off, pointed out the obvious, said SOMETHING. RVD rarely speaks, and when he does he says what a four-year-old would say in the situation. RVD just doesn’t rank. And he doesn’t seem intent on learning.

When I say RVD was protected in ECW I don’t mean people went easy on him, I meant only that he was booked to look like the second coming, he was booked to look like the next Chris Benoit or Bret Hart in the workrate department, but he’s nowhere near that level. He still has a highly indy-style with a lot of gymnastics that aren’t tactically efficient and make him look silly (moreover, whoever sells it). I am not saying all there is to wrestling is “punch-kick”. I am a Jericho fan, an Angle fan, and they do a lot more than punch and kick. But what they don’t do is jump around the ring like someone slipped an electrode into their box of suppositories. Agility is fantastic. Jumping around works sometimes. Guerrero does it awesomely. HBK did it well. Tajiri does it with great skill. RVD does it because he can’t work any other way, and he does it when it doesn't make sense.

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#15 Posted on
Okay HMD, you do have a point about RVD having to convert his gymnastics and natural skills into an effective wrestling machine such as the likes of prime Bret Hart and Kurt Angle. I think that was the idea of the recent Raw match between himself and Guerrero: it was almost all mat work, and I think a much better match than the ladder match. RVD, facing only brawlers and flyers for the last year, took a while to figure out that he had wrestling skills too. The Regal rolling slam to moonsault combo RVD pulled off in the middle of the match was a great instance of chain wrestling/flying. Those are the type of moves that he has to incorporate in his "Five moves of Doom" to take him to a higher level. The young referee was totally fooled by the change of pace Eddy dictated, and didn't count RVD's Backlund pinning stretch properly.

RVD, like Chris Benoit, is just not the type who spaks badly of others like Piper, The Rock and others can do. He is, however a very good self-promoter, and he treats the other guys' moves as if they were the reincarnation of Lou Thesz. What comes off as braggadocio by someone else, he presents it matter-of-factly. He doesn't beat it over your head like Kurt Angle does, but it comes out more effectively.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52

Y'know, I agree with those who like RVD's promo style. He doesn't go “What'cha gonna do...” or “If you smell...” or even claim that he's that damn good. When he finds out who he's facing, he's just like, “Cool. Guess I'll go out there and beat him.” You gotta like a guy that doesn't have to remind everyone how good he is every thirty seconds to make himself feel more secure-- he just has this sort of quiet confidence about him like a samurai or something. A man of few words, but a man of very definitive action.

I will grant that RVD does tend to exert himself a little bit too much-- after all, the effect he gets from the Rolling Thunder move could be just as easily accomplished with a regular body splash. But lemme ask you something-- can you do the Rolling Thunder? I sure can't.

How about a little more love for the most unique wrestlers in the WWF? The guys like Rob Van Dam, William Regal and Tajiri. Each of them have very, very different styles than almost everybody else, but that's part of what makes them fun to watch in my opinion. Diversity rules!



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#17 Posted on

I would appreciate if RVD learned to cut a better promo, learned to throw a forearm, and learned to sell. After that, I would be happier with his performances. He doesnt' do enough to put the other guy over, IMHO.





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#18 Posted on
I don't think those are supposed to be forearms. It looks more to me like he throws elbow strikes.
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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by Brain Surgery
    I don't think those are supposed to be forearms. It looks more to me like he throws elbow strikes.


Call it whatever you like, they are still lame. I mean really. Elbow strikes? Did he get martial arts training from X-Pac? I've seen more dangerous looking hits in a playground brawl between two third grade girls.





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#20 Posted on
I never liked the elbow strikes, either. But RVD has a good, understated mic approach. His back-and-forth with Christian comes to mind. RVD was doing an interview and the-European champ Christian butted in. RVD said something about him putting his "Euro-trash title on the line." Then Christian challenged him to a hardcore match. RVD responded with some of the typical, "Ah, hardcore-style, just the way I like it!"

It wasn't Shakespeare, but it effectively set the stage for the match. RVD doesn't display a lot of emotional range because his character doesn't seem to call for it.

Now whether he CAN or not... that's another issue.



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