So, I'm watching Raw. And during the Flair/Hogan match. it hits me why I just don't like watching Hogan.
I didn't watch wrestling back during the Rock'n'Wrestling era, the Hogan era for all intents and purposes. I had no need for it, couldn't understand why people watched it, etc. And this was back when I was in single digits.
So I have nothing to look back on and enjoy. No nostalgia (sp?) value. All I see is a cartoonish character. He wasn't as bad about it when he was Hollywood, because he more of a "bad-ass" when he was in WCW. But the full-on Hogan character is a little too much for me to swallow my disbelief.
In all honesty, I'm kind of shocked that they are letting him be so cartoonish. Hogan seems so out of place, with the tie dye tights, the hulking up...it's almost sad to watch. He can barely do a punch or a kick. He can barely move. If Hogan has any nostalgic value, I would feel horrible watching his matches, because I would remember when he could at least move. I would probably feel the way I do whenever Flair wrestles now. And I have that nostalgia value with Flair, because I've bothered to seek out tapes of his matches back in the day.
Also, that's probably the reason why teenagers are turning off Hogan. Plenty of them weren't even alive, or very, very young when Hogan was at his prime. So all they see is an old man.
Well, I was into the whole Rock N Wrestling thing.. I wasn't Hulkamaniac like most people though, but even so, I felt a bit of nostalgia at 'mania.. So I'm sorta of the group they are aiming for with this Hogan thing.. and even so, trust me: all I see is an old man that can't move too! =)
I'm actually rooting for Taker to get the title just because it means that Hogan loses it.
I got sick of Hogan between WM 2 and 3. Basically, Andre was getting some kudos for his accomplishments but Hogan had to hog the limelight. He actually would get right in front of Andre to flex and pose. Andre would look at him in disgust. Finally, Andre got sick of this jackass and turned. Except the way I saw it, Hogan had turned heel and Andre and Heenan had essentially turned face. Thus a heel worshipper was born. Yeah I rooted against Hogan until I gave up and stopped watching because he just couldn't be stopped.
Originally posted by KokolumsI got sick of Hogan between WM 2 and 3. Basically, Andre was getting some kudos for his accomplishments but Hogan had to hog the limelight. He actually would get right in front of Andre to flex and pose. Andre would look at him in disgust. Finally, Andre got sick of this jackass and turned. Except the way I saw it, Hogan had turned heel and Andre and Heenan had essentially turned face. Thus a heel worshipper was born. Yeah I rooted against Hogan until I gave up and stopped watching because he just couldn't be stopped.
Wow! I remember feeling the same way! Back then, I was a huge Randy Savage mark and cheered like hell when he finally got to beat the hell out of Hogan. Then I saw WCW and Ric Flair for the first time and forgot all about the WWF for a long time.
Are you ready for Mahkan-mania to run wild all over you?
I'm very sure I'm in the minority here, but I have just always loved Hulkamania. Sure the guy can't wrestle that well, anyone can see that, but he just has that certain something that I can't help but mark out for. I'm sure this new wave of Hulkamania won't last too long, though, so no need to worry.
I had to double check my remote watching Hogan-Flair on Raw tonite. I thought for sure that Dinotopia was on ABC not TNN. I'm from NC and a Flair mark but they need to keep him and Hogan as far away from the ring as possible. If those two were horses I'd put a bullet in them and shp-em off to the glue factory.
I HATE Hulk Hogan. I hated him when I was young, way before the internet, and I hate him now at 25 with the internet. I hated him when he beat the Iron Shiek, was the champ forever, when he was in WCW, and in the nWo and I hate him now in the WWE. The man is a goof. He looks like a total dumbshit with his black beard and red and yellow tie dye along with his 60 year old face. I cannot wait until the WWF milks all the nostalgia and money out of this, so we can just move on and forget it ever happened.
I haven't been 6 for like 12 years so Hogan holds no appeal to me. As soon as Hitman went solo I was screaming for Hogan's blood. He's old now and he's only getting older. Judgement Day will hopefully fail because of him. If it doesn't it's because of the Triple Ruxpin/Jericho Cell match but that won't matter because Vince will point at Hogan and roll on with the nostalgia trip/snorefest.
The only thing that scared me more than watching Flair/Hogan last night, was the possibility that 'Taker was going to come down to the ring during the match...
That would've meant three old, slow moving men in the ring at once.
I will say this, however, Flair sells like no one else. At one point Hogan threw him to the turnbuckle with no force whatsoever, but leave it to Flair to fly into the buckle almost upside down.
Young guys could certainly learn how to sell from the 16 time champ!!!!
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The thing is this, Hogan is now openly MAKING FUN OF HIMSELF/HULKAMANIA. that's the only thing keeping me from wanting him off the TV . and he seems to be cool with it. so what the hell, if it keeps the casual fans in the arenas. without fans at the live events, there would'nt be a WWE (gag!)
"My parents said I could be anything, so I became an ASSHOLE!"
I remember about a month ago, ON THIS VERY BOARD, that there was some sort of Hulk Hogan love-fest. That he was the coming savior, that only he and his heat could rule the Fed.
I point out for the record that he got a huge pop as a face last night and sold the little motorcycle drag thing pretty well.
God know he's old, but he has some value. You Benoit marks enjoy the spot-fest. I do too. But I can enjoy the old guys telling the story, enhancing and deliniating (did I spell that right?) their characters.
I am so glad that Flair is a heel again. The best line of the night:
"You're talkin' about your Mother"
I look for Hogan to retain at JD (UT owes HH a clean one)and drop the strap to SCSA in a mutual respect thing on Raw.
"I will say this, however, Flair sells like no one else. At one point Hogan threw him to the turnbuckle with no force whatsoever, but leave it to Flair to fly into the buckle almost upside down."
Actually, anyone who knows any of Flair's matches from the 90s recognized that Flair messed that up. He was supposed to totally flip unside down and then over the turnbuckle, run across the apron to go to the top rope on an opposite corner, and then Hogan was supposed to grab him off the top and toss him. They saved it pretty well, but I would have loved to see the whole thing without screw-up. Yep heel Flair can take a beating and for me it is absolutely the funniest, most entertaining stuff to watch, especially that particular move. Don't know why.
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I'm on the boat. I hate just about anyone who is big and slow (Big Show, Bradshaw, and Rikishi to name a few) but I dug Hogan/Flair because they did what they're supposed to do and told a story. Sure, the actual wrestling was lacking, but they showed that even at their age, they can still get in there and work an interesting match.
I cringed every time Flair took a bump, though.
"If you like to fight girls so much, why don't you meet me in the ring?" -Jeff Hardy
First off, you're nuts if you think SummerSlam 2000 was a bad pay-per-view. And Shane, I agree with you. The WWF could be firing on all cylinders in terms of stories, and all we would here about is the decrease in match quality.