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Since: 12.1.02
From: Indianapolis, IN; now residing in Suffolk, VA

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A few reasons, really. The first of which being that Indianapolis is a basketball town in a basketball state, so hockey's quite a ways down our priority list.

Teams seem to change cities at least once a year, or there's an expansion team ending, or whatever. The Colorado Avalanche didn't exist in their present form even a few short years ago, and now they're one of the top teams in the NHL. It'd be hard for me to keep up with all the changes. I have trouble enough following college basketball, with rosters changing as rapidly as they do.

But what I'd like to know is, how the heck do hockey fans keep up with the weirded-out records? If I was running the NHL, I'd do away with ties, and no longer differentiate between losses in regulation and losses in overtime.

When teams have records of 7-4-3-5, that's when they've got at least one too many numbers.

Besides... what's the point of hockey... or any game, for that matter... ending in a tie? To me, that so totally ruins the entire purpose of even watching a game, let alone going to one.

But then, that's my opinion. I'm just curious as to what other people think about some of this stuff.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#2 Posted on
Let me answer a few of your questions.

The Colorado Avalanche became so in 1996, and won the Stanley Cup that same year, as well as winning this past year, so ya when you have 2 cups in the past 10 years you are one of the tops teams. Also before they were the Avalanche they were the Quebec Nordiques. And the team wasn't half bad. In the mid to late 80's they weren't very good though, in fact I do believe they had a few first round picks in a row. Anyways guys like Sundin, Sakic and Nolan were just starting to bud in thier last few years in Quebec. Then they drafted Eric Lindros and all hell broke lose. He refused to play in Quebec, would NOT sign with the team at all. So they traded him to Philly getting Forsberg and whole shitload of other players (this was one HUGE deal), anyways after moving Sundin to Torono and Nolan to San Jose the team itself moved to Colorado...then in the ultamte 'Fuck You' to Quebec City won the cup. (I'm sure Lindros is feeling like an ass too)

As for the Expansion teams...well I too don't understand why Dallas, Tampa Bay, Florida, Nashville, Atlanta, Anahiem, LA, and SJ all have HOCKEY teams either. But ti's good to see a hockey tema back in Minnesota (where the Dallas Stars are originally from) But there has been quite a bit of expansion. But thier is no more expnasion for many many years (hopefully)

As for the 'Overtime Loss' gives you a point. This had to be one of the dumbest moves ever created. You lost the game...but we'll still give you a point! I mean come on! I think the original insperation for this was that teams will want that extra point so they'll open it up more, (which is the same reason behind the stupid 4-on-4 OT)

As for Ties, well I've you've ever watched a playoff game you know that some games can easily go into double and triple overtime. With the regular season often having back-to-back games that's just not plausible for teams to play 6 periods of hockey one night when they have a game the next.

Hope this helps!



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Since: 3.1.02
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#3 Posted on
and please God - don't ever let them decide games by way of the shootout - I'll have to become a basketball fan - then I can cheer for the Vancouver Grizzlies - oh yeah, what majoe metropolis did they move to anyway ? Why do they have basketball in Canada anyway - kind of like the Tampa Bay Lightning - it doesn't make sense.

Expansion into the Sun Belt all started with the hiring of former NBA executive, Gary Bettman, as the NHL commissioner - he felt that there was an untapped crowd of snowbirds moving into these rapidly growing areas that wouldn't be happy without their hockey. It is pretty obvious from attendance figures in some of these cities (Tampa, Miami and New Jersey) that the people who live there could care less about their teams. The talent pool has been diluted by all of these IHL caliber teams/markets and drags down the whole product.

At least the Olympics will be fun to watch - if you can find them on MSNBC or CNBC down here in the States.

Eke - if you can, go to a game - nothing beats a hockey game when you see it in person.



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Since: 2.1.02
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Actually Basketball was created/invented by a Canadian...James Naismith I believe (which is why Vancouver/Toronto pre-season matches were always called the Neismith Cup or whatever)

And for other Canadians out there The Olympics will be on CBC and TSN.



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Since: 3.1.02
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#5 Posted on
just having a little hoops fun with my friends north of the border.........



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Since: 2.1.02
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Overtime losses are good for the game if you remember what overtimes were like before they let teams keep one point even if they lost. BORING! At least now a team can go for the win with no reason to be conservative and worry about losing that point.

Last night for instance, I'm almost positive that the Caps-Bruins game would've ended 0-0 if not for the OT Loss point they'd already earned.
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Since: 2.1.02
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+ One big factor in the success of the 'lanche was the acquisition of Patrick Ru-ah, something that never would have happened if the team was still in Quebec.

+ Hockey in the Sunbelt is just unnatural. Case in point -- the condition of the ice during the playoffs in April, May and June. Remember how bad the ice was in Dallas or Miami during the Cups in those years?

+ I wish I could watch the Olympics on CBC. I miss being able to watch Don Cherry (I loved going to grad school in a town close enough to the border get have CBC on cable).

+ On a tangential note, I miss watching curling on the CBC. That was a great Sunday afternoon, loaf on the couch and fall asleep program. Soothing in the same way watching Bob Ross was on PBS (he was the painter guy with the big fro).

+ As for hockey in Indianapolis, we used to go up all the time from Bloomington to watch the Ice (when they were the Blackhawks farm team). I even covered their playoff series, which took place, if you can believe it, in Market Square.






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Since: 3.1.02
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#8 Posted on
Well, seeing how I'm from Calgary [dramatic pause] Alberta, Canada, and we're a hockey/wrestling town, we all love our hockey and (to a lesser extent) our wrestling. We have the Calgary Flames (who haven't been this good since 1991), the Calgary Hitmen, the Calgary Canucks, the Calgary Royals, and almost a hundred minor hockey teams...JUST IN THE CITY. We also have the Calgary Cannons (Pacific Coast League baseball...soon moving to Albuquerque), the Calgary Stampeders (Canadian Football League), the Calgary Roughnecks (National Lacrosse League) and the pro soccer team whose name I forget. Nevertheless, HOCKEY ROCKS.



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1) What teams moved within the last year? Only four teams have moved in the 1990s. The Minnesota North Stars to Dallas (1993), the Hartford Whalers to Carolina (1997), the Winnipeg Jets to Phoenix(1996), and the Quebec Nordiques to Colorado (1995). However, there have been a lot of expansion teams in the last 10 years: San Jose, Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Florida, Anaheim, Nashville, Atlanta, Columbus, and Minnesota.

2) Colorado got "really good really quick" because they sucked for a long time in Quebec. But thanks to some smart drafting, some smart dealing, and some patience, they got really good in their last season in Quebec. So when they moved, they were already contenders.

3) I like the Overtime Loss system as it forces teams to go for the W instead sticking with a tie. Shootouts, may be the future since it forces either a win or a loss. It really isn't hard to follow.

4) Hockey hit the Sunbelt and the Sunbelt likes hockey. None of the Sunbelt teams are in danger of moving/foreclosing, and there is a large demand for the game there. Minor Pro leagues like the ECHL(which is largely based in the South), the WCHL(largely based in the West Coast), and the CHL(largely based in the Midwest-South, such as Texas, Arizona, etc.). It may be "unnatural," but that's why pro hockey games are held in arenas

5) Why must ABC suck at covering the NHL? Why can't the US get a show like Hockey Night in Canada?



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Since: 2.1.02
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#10 Posted on
5) Why must ABC suck at covering the NHL? Why can't the US get a show like Hockey Night in
Canada?


Because Hockey Night in the USA doesn't quite have the same ring to it.



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Since: 3.1.02

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Now, I was going to save this for EGen Sports, but my biggest complaint about hockey in the U.S. (Specifically ESPN and ABC) are the announcers. These are the dorkiest looking guys I have seen this side of Jerry Glanville. They use very out dated terms, they talk about 'sweaters' and kiss up to all of the major stars.

Darren Pang's lines:
'Oh Jeepers'

'Oh boy'

'the classic two pad save'

'OH MAN'

'When I was goalie...'

Bill Clement's most favorite lines: 'Uuuuugh, what a shot'

'That puck wasn't in the wheel house, it was in the...laser....tube'

'Oooogh, unreal folks'

Steve Levy:
When someone scores...'There it is!'....I'd rather hear...LE BUT!

And they repeat ANY last name that they think sounds cool over and over and over and over. NABAKOV! NABAKOV! NABAKOV!

I've pointed out before that the NHL is yet to recover from the debacle that was the NHL on FOX (glowing puck) and the steady flow of faces and voices that the audience just CANNOT relate to.

(Barry Melrose is the SOLE exception, Gary Thorne...eh)

The overtime loss and the point for tying at the end of regulation IS stupid, but having non hockey fans continue to use that as 'anti hockey' ammunition is silly.

As for the NHL in the Sunbelt...to say that just because the game is played on ice in 'hot' climate territories is also silly....as PINKSKUNK pointed out, they DO play indoors. And from what I've noticed, teams have been moving from North to South, not the other way around.
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#12 Posted on
Originally posted by Omar Padilla
Now, I was going to save this for EGen Sports, but my biggest complaint about hockey in the U.S. (Specifically ESPN and ABC) are the announcers. These are the dorkiest looking guys I have seen this side of Jerry Glanville.



I take it you have never seen one of the jackets that Don Cherry wears on tv.



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Since: 2.1.02
From: Whitby, Ontario, Canada

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#13 Posted on
SQUIZ says:

>I take it you have never seen one of the jackets that Don >Cherry wears on tv.


Please tell me you did not say that, sucka...

You are not relating Don Cherry to DORK, please tell me you are not doing that.

Don Cherry has a classic look that will never change, and yes it may be a little over-the-edge, but dorky is not a word I would have chosen....

The problem with expansion in Hockey is the same problem that happens with expansion in all sports leagues. The novelty of having a new team doesn't last past 2 years, and once thats gone a team either has to win or fan support wains, and the team starts having financial problems.

This is expecially true in markets that are not naturally drawn to certain sports. In Hockey, does anyone actually think that if Florida, Tampa, Nashville, Columbus, Atlanta or Anaheim will stay in hockey if they have to live through as many poor years as the Leafs? Not a chance. In Toronto, it's OK because this is a hockey city, but those cities would not last.

Florida, Tampa and Anaheim are already having problems, their grace period has dissolved and their teams aren't very good.

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Since: 2.1.02
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#14 Posted on
I'd like to say that I think Gary Thorne and Bill Clement are an excellent commentary team. I have friends who don't "get" hockey and they all seem to get a sense of how tense every game is when Gary Thorne is on play-by-play. I think Clement complements him well.

Also, thank you AT&T Broadband for having CBC on the ol' digital cable. Hockey Night in Canada and CFL football...very nice.

Right now, however, my two favorite announcers are the guys from NHL 2002. They crack me up all the time.
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Since: 4.1.02
From: The Hague, Netherlands (Europe)

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#15 Posted on

It doesn't matter where you play hockey, it's simply the coolest game on earth..
The teams in the south have all known their successes already, well at least some of them
And given the right management and players you might well see more champions from that region than the Stars.
*grumbles as he remembers rooting for the Ducks because they had kariya and selanne and now he just wished PK could leave there*

the ties actually can make a sport a whole lot more interesting. Don't ask me why, but it seems that way.
I bet the reason hockey has ties is because it's from Canada, once ruled by the brits, who had ties in soccer already.
All other N-American sports are less influenced by the brits as they were invented some while later maybe?

As for the Olympics..I sure hope they air all hockeygames here in Western-Europe. It's my only non-CNN option to see some of my favorite players *GO USA*GO CANADA*GO GO GO!



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Since: 3.1.02

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#16 Posted on
I'm just spoiled because I get Vin Scully (Dodgers), Chick Hearn (Lakers) and Bob Miller (Kings) here in L.A. Even having to put w/ the two goofs that Anaheim employs is enough to piss me off.

Anaheim, at the moment, as the lowest attendance numbers in the NHL, but they're not going anywhere. Columbus and Nashville sell out on a regular basis and people who watch hockey, obviously understand that these are teams still on the rise. They're all YOUNG players so most other teams consist of OLD players. So, most tables turn. Atlanta is buzzing about they're team....Kovalchuk and Heatley are gonna make this team a contender. Just, uh, get a better goalie.
I miss the Nords, but Quebec was too busy wanting to 'be free' and secede from the EVIL maple leaf empire that is Canada to worry about a hockey team. Just like the sign that was shown on TV after the Av's won the Cup in '96.

Thank you Quebec



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Since: 2.1.02
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#17 Posted on
Originally posted by Omar Padilla
I'm just spoiled because I get Vin Scully (Dodgers), Chick Hearn (Lakers) and Bob Miller (Kings) here in L.A. Even having to put w/ the two goofs that Anaheim employs is enough to piss me off.

Anaheim, at the moment, as the lowest attendance numbers in the NHL, but they're not going anywhere. Columbus and Nashville sell out on a regular basis and people who watch hockey, obviously understand that these are teams still on the rise. They're all YOUNG players so most other teams consist of OLD players. So, most tables turn. Atlanta is buzzing about they're team....Kovalchuk and Heatley are gonna make this team a contender. Just, uh, get a better goalie.



What? You don't like Hlincka? Just kidding. That part pisses me off the most. The Mighty Ducks are going to have the worst attendance records of all the NHL, drive Paul Kariya into madness with poor management decisions, and be poor to watch; yet, they will NEVER be in danger of moving. Psh, Bettman, get this team to a city that might CARE about the team, like Portland or Winnipeg or SOMEWHERE. Anywhere but Anaheim.

Oh, while the Devils are having a "Jekkyl and Hyde" season, they got the best commentary team of all the teams, IMO. Mike "Doc" Emrick and Glenn "Chico" Resch are the best to listen to while watching a hockey game. They don't talk too much, they don't make asinine remarks, and they don't dumb down the level of commentary for other viewers/listeners. They're great



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