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Since: 28.5.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.45
I have been thinking about this for a couple of weeks now, but why is Kevin Nash important at all?

What has he ever done?

On the wrestling side, He's has maybe three good (not great) matches in his career. All carried by his opponents in those matches as well. He was carried by the freaking Undertaker.

Angle wise, he's been involved in some of the worst angles and gimmicks in the history of wrestling. Sure, he was an original nWo member, but he walked into that -- it's not like it was his idea. They could of put anyone in that angle and it would have worked just as well.

Now he is praised for his mic work, but when you think about it -- has he ever been good on the mic? One of the reasons I am writing this is because I have been going through old tapes. Watching him as Diesel was horrible.

"Big Daddy Diesel, what's in store for the British Bulldog at the PPV?"
"The Bulldog has bitten off more than he can chew"

In the nWo, was anything he saying really that great? I mean it was decent but worthy of all the credit he gets? And at the end of WCW he was completely rambling incoherently.

As a booker, he almost put the WWF out of business and did put WCW out of business.

So please -- someone tell me why is this man in wrestling? And why the hell is he on the uppercard? At least HHH had a year where he was the best around to solidify his spot -- even if he has overstayed his welcome way way too long.

This baffles me.
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#2 Posted on
It's not anything that he's done, it's a combination of three different things:

1. He's big, and like it or not, big guys go far in the industry based on just that. But that's not really enough.

2. He has an ok presence. When he wants to, which is fairly rare, he can cut a very good promo. Add to that a few fairly ok matches and above average charisma, and he's getting up there.

3. Association (both on and off camera) with some major stars and major angles. We all know about the Clique, but his on screen associations with some big names did more to have "fame" rub off on him than anything else. Debuting with Michaels in the WWF, running with Hall and Hogan in WCW, feuding with guys like Shawn, Bret, Taker, even Goldberg to some extent. Running with those guys gave him a perception of being bigger than he actually is.

So a combination of him being a passable worker along with ending up in the right place, at the right time, with the right people and he's an instant main eventer until he decides to retire.



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    So a combination of him being a passable worker along with ending up in the right place, at the right time, with the right people and he's an instant main eventer until he decides to retire.


Or until his knees actually fall off, defying physics.




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#4 Posted on
It's not right to talk about Kevin Nash like this.

minextoo...from reading your first post it seems clear that you know little to nothing at all about kevin nash's career...maybe you saw a match or 2, nothing nearly enough to pass judgement on his existance.

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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by Stinger
    It's not right to talk about Kevin Nash like this.


I agree 100%

Nash is sort of like a troll. We should just ignore him until he's banned.



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Since: 12.2.03
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#6 Posted on
This isn't even worth bothering with.

Oh wait, damn...



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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by Stinger
    It's not right to talk about Kevin Nash like this.

    minextoo...from reading your first post it seems clear that you know little to nothing at all about kevin nash's career...maybe you saw a match or 2, nothing nearly enough to pass judgement on his existance.




I agree, yeah nWo might not have been Nash's idea, but without him, Hall, and Hogan it would not have gone anywhere. Nash was doing great promos at the time and was getting huge pops. That's what was so great about the nWo is that half of the fans hated them because of Hogan and half the fans loved them because of Hall and Nash. So he's not a great wrestler, but what big man is. With the exception of Undertaker (in his prime) I don't think he's any worse than the rest of the big men.



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by Quezzy

      Originally posted by Stinger
      It's not right to talk about Kevin Nash like this.

      minextoo...from reading your first post it seems clear that you know little to nothing at all about kevin nash's career...maybe you saw a match or 2, nothing nearly enough to pass judgement on his existance.




    I agree, yeah nWo might not have been Nash's idea, but without him, Hall, and Hogan it would not have gone anywhere. Nash was doing great promos at the time and was getting huge pops. That's what was so great about the nWo is that half of the fans hated them because of Hogan and half the fans loved them because of Hall and Nash. So he's not a great wrestler, but what big man is. With the exception of Undertaker (in his prime) I don't think he's any worse than the rest of the big men.



See Nash has you guys tricked, Nash got over in the WWF only when they teamed him up with HBK. Once when Shawn was having one of his spats with Vince they put him solo and he went nowhere. Nash got over in WCW cause of Hall and Hogan. See a patern, ultra-charismatic friends. You take Hall away from the Outsiders, all of a sudden Nash is a lot less charismatic.




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#9 Posted on
So Nash exists because he can trick people. So what? If he brings something to the table, then great, he's got a spot in wrestling.

Not every career in pro-wrestling can be based or judged on how many arm-locks you do in an average match. The guy gets a reaction from people based on everything's that's happened from Diesel-present in his career. The nWo was HUGE! It was the leading force in almost putting the WWF out of business. If you really think that Nash had nothing to do with the success and was just "there" when they decided to do it then that's the same as saying that One Man Gang could have replaced Hogan in the early-80's.


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#10 Posted on
I stated my opinion on Nash a few times, I won't get into it too much here but I'll just say I really agree with Nag. He always seemed to leech off someone. I truly think if it wasn't for Hogan, that NWO thing would fizzle out in half a year. Hogan gave it legit heat, while Nash was being Nash and splitting the crowd, which is okay if your going against the top face or 2 in the company but if you are facing a upper-midcarder (3-5 face spot) with an already split crowd it does nothing for the face or angle... If it wasn't for Hogan, Hall & Nash would have turned face due to the split crowd and be as successful as that piss poor offshoot of the NWO known as the Wolfpac.

I'll give Nash credit for one thing, with so little overall talent he's tricked so many people in thinking he's somehow relevant. Especially bookers



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    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    So Nash exists because he can trick people. So what? If he brings something to the table, then great, he's got a spot in wrestling.

    Not every career in pro-wrestling can be based or judged on how many arm-locks you do in an average match. The guy gets a reaction from people based on everything's that's happened from Diesel-present in his career. The nWo was HUGE! It was the leading force in almost putting the WWF out of business. If you really think that Nash had nothing to do with the success and was just "there" when they decided to do it then that's the same as saying that One Man Gang could have replaced Hogan in the early-80's.


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Tribal, yeah he is over, not as well as he used to be, but he is over. Did he gets over on his own merits? Hell no! If Bolshevik Boris Zukoff was put in the same spot, and placed in the same situations he would be over too. He's a smart guy, he manipulated the system, he had the right friends. But if wasn't smacking ass with Shawn and Hall in 94, he would have been immortalized right next to Duke Drose and Repo Man on wrestlecrap.



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Uh... that wasn't off topic. I got an amusing little defense of Big Kev from 'Comical Ali'.


    Originally posted by Nag
    Tribal, yeah he is over, not as well as he used to be, but he is over. Did he gets over on his own merits? Hell no! If Bolshevik Boris Zukoff was put in the same spot, and placed in the same situations he would be over too. He's a smart guy, he manipulated the system, he had the right friends. But if wasn't smacking ass with Shawn and Hall in 94, he would have been immortalized right next to Duke Drose and Repo Man on wrestlecrap.


See this is the sort of unproveable argument that we so often see stated as fact. I think the only wrestlers that I haven't heard someone claim weren't draws are Austin, Hogan, and the Rock. And actually now that I think about it I'm pretty sure somebody claimed that Rocky fed off Austins success.

Could somebody else have had the success Nash had if given the chance? Maybe.

But the chance was given to Kevin (for whatever reason) and he took it. He still gets pretty damned good pops as witnessed last week and if, IF, he stays healthy he could still be an asset to the company.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.45

    Nash was doing great promos at the time and was getting huge pops. That's what was so great about the nWo


I always hear people talking about these great promos that he did. Give some examples because i don't remember a single entertaining promo coming from him. Usually, if i think a promo is good, I will remember it.

For example, everyone on this board can probably ramble off three random Angle quotes because he's that good. Can anyone do that with Kevin Nash? Or just quotes from him that were so inanely stupid that you remember.
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#18 Posted on

    Originally posted by minextoo

      Nash was doing great promos at the time and was getting huge pops. That's what was so great about the nWo


    I always hear people talking about these great promos that he did. Give some examples because i don't remember a single entertaining promo coming from him. Usually, if i think a promo is good, I will remember it.

    For example, everyone on this board can probably ramble off three random Angle quotes because he's that good. Can anyone do that with Kevin Nash? Or just quotes from him that were so inanely stupid that you remember.



This is mostly because Kevin's best promos don't provide any quips. When he's funny or cute, he's usually nothing special, but when he's serious or angry, he really can be good.

In fact, I think he almost saved the nWo angle when Hogan was turning face with Rock, and Nash came out and laid into him about why Vince had brought them all in and how Hogan had lost focus. That was probably one of the best promos I'd heard that year, and one of the better promos ever that endevoured to sum up an entire angle.



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#19 Posted on
That promo was great indeed.
Just like the promo he cut when he split from the original nWo.
"You don't have to worry about me shooting you in the back,
I'll shoot you right between the eyes"
he brought that with the same intensity as the post WM promo. It was good.
Hogan in the mean time was just same old Hogan. It was Nash who made that feud/angle.

Same when he feuded with Hall about Scott being a drunk. The simple idea that he powerbombs him a few times and then walks away made quite an impact.

Also, I would like to point out that if it wasn't for Kevin Nash the Wolfpac wouldn't have been interesting in the first place. I mean, they brought in Macho to feud with Hogan but it was Nash that was the leader. At that point he carried them all.

Sure, the guy is 'best' as a popular heel, but damn he did some interesting shit, mostly in WCW.
It's just..all of our views have become so jaded over the years because he followed them up with annoying periods of sucktitude.



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I really don't like the current Nash. We all know he's just a big goofy oaf who likes to, well, goof off. I can't buy into the guy who's complicated and complex because he's torn between his two best friends.
I want the real Nash. What happened to the Nash that held up the sign saying "Brad Siegel fears Scott Hall?" What happened to the Nash that would bring out cardboard cutouts to the ring? What happened to the Nash that layed in the middle of the ring in protest? What happened to the Nash that stripped Ric Flair and proceeded to take off his own clothes?
Nash just needs to stop caring and just be Nash. The way the company's going, he'll be back to his antics within a year or two.



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