Wow. I'm amazed this many people actually care about Billy Gunn. Anyway, the hive mind argument is interesting. I can't comment on it too much, I suppose, but my favorite wrestlers never really have been the most "smarky" ones. Like, Undertaker: Face= just really boring, New, Improved Underbiker Heel killing people smaller than him= lot of fun. He's entertaining again now. But people will still rag on a guy like him, just 'cos he's not what he used to be. If it's entertaining to me, in and out of the ring, then it's cool. If it's not entertaining to you, than that's fine too. The biggest issue with the hive mind is that people think like you don't know as much or something if you like "non-hive approved" wrestlers. Like who you want to like. And dammit, I find Billy & Chucky entertaining too.
I don't think Billy Gunn is bad per se, he would have fit in perfectly in the 1980s WWF. But this is 2002, and there are so many other people that wrestle better and are more interesting, yet Billy Gunn gets TV time on RAW and SmackDown while others (Billy Kidman and Chavo Guerrero Jr., for example) do not. Another thing that's important to notice is that he has just about the worst stamina of any wrestler in the WWF. It's just not realistic that Billy Gunn could last very long against a Benoit or a Jericho, but the WWF has had Gunn feud with Benoit over the I-C Title before. (Benoit mercifully ended his title reign).
Billy Gunn is too much of a gimmick wrestler, in my opinion. He needs a gimmick to get over, and if he doesn't have one, no one cares about him. Other guys can get over simply by kicking ass, because they look far more legitimate than Gunn does.
You know who I sorta miss? (You're gonna hate me for this.) Lex Luger. I was a huge mark for Lex back in 1997 in WCW, and I yelled and screamed when he made Hogan submit to the Torture Rack to win the WCW World Title. As, I'm sure, many of you did as well (and don't try to deny it! LOL)...
Since then, Luger's gone face-heel-face-heel a couple of times, and he's become less interesting. Of course, he's also been gone for about a year, so even if he did come back now, most people probably wouldn't remember him.
“You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. Ironically, this is not far from the truth.”
Funny that you brought up Luger, because that is who Gunn always reminds me of. And isn't coincidental that he's currently teamed up with someone who got his first push by immitating Luger?
It's not because of the hive mind that I dislike Gunn. I dislike him because he BORES me. I never liked the Outlaws much and I thought he was pretty useless then too. And he bores the audience as well. Don't believe it? Look at his first push...they put him in with the Rock and he couldn't draw heat. His second singles push, they threw the IC title on him and the crowd died. He couldn't even have a decent match with Benoit. The night after the last KOTR he killed Edge's crown push by having a really bad match because he sucks on offense (kick punch kick punch). The audience didn't respond to him and that's why he got thrown onto Jakked and Heat for months in between the WWF trying to package him with Show and now Chuck. As long as he's in a team, he's tolerable since his time in the ring is kept to a minimum, but anymore than that, it's time to fix a snack. It was so obnoxious with "The One" gimmick when JR was trying to push Gunn on us as a "hoss", and an "incredible athelete", "pound for pound the best the WWF has to offer", especially when they had recently gotten the Radicals, Tazz, Angle...hell, JUST JOE! When Gunn doesn't have half the talent as any of those guys and JR is telling us that this is the best they have to offer, it doesn't help drive his stock up in my eyes.
They gotta bring these back!!!: "talk to the hand because the man don't understand." - "The Crippler" Chris Benoit "...and that is the LAST WORD." - "The Big Nasty" Paul Wight and of course: "Don't hate the playa...HATE THE GAME~!" - WCW World Champion Booker T
Regarding Ambrose, I think it's pretty clear at this point he's New Foley - complete with the double-armed DDT as the finisher (note; Bryan obviously ascended from his earlier role as New Foley). And he's been stuck twice now: 1)